piece of shit. utter, utter piece of shit. it is his fault his beautiful daughter is dead, and he should pay for it. the "he is suffering enough with his mistake" defense is not going to wash. make a statement, America. put this fucker away.
piece of shit. utter, utter piece of shit. it is his fault his beautiful daughter is dead, and he should pay for it. the "he is suffering enough with his mistake" defense is not going to wash. make a statement, America. put this fucker away.
Just read an article about a 55 yr old woman. Newly appointed precinct captain for her district with the republican party up in michigan. She shot and killed herself through her eye while......... adjusting her bra holster.
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Yes sure, but if you don´t carry it around you cannot hurt somebody.
But I do carry one.( gun) and I have for three years.. Never once have I had to hurt anyone. Thank God, but believe I will if I have to. Only I don't believe in shooting to maim. If I've had a chance to give you warning that I have the gun and will use it, and the threat continues.. I WILL shoot to kill. My point? There ARE too many idiots that haveguns. But not everyone that has guns is an idiot.
OH MY GOD!!!! THE HORROR!!! THE HUMANITY!!!!! WE GOTTA DO WHATEVER IT TAKES RIGHT NOW!!!! IF IT SAVES EVEN ONE LI......whoops never mind. I just noticed it's people killed by guns and not cars. nothing to see here folks, just another acceptable, tolerable loss so I can have my guns. show me someone killed by a car and I promise i'll bust out the "we gotta do whatever it takes, if it saves even one life it's worth it!!!!"
OH MY GOD!!!! THE HORROR!!! THE HUMANITY!!!!! WE GOTTA DO WHATEVER IT TAKES RIGHT NOW!!!! IF IT SAVES EVEN ONE LI......whoops never mind. I just noticed it's people killed by guns and not cars. nothing to see here folks, just another acceptable, tolerable loss so I can have my guns. show me someone killed by a car and I promise i'll bust out the "we gotta do whatever it takes, if it saves even one life it's worth it!!!!"
And now for the car comparison.......
heh heh heh..
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OH MY GOD!!!! THE HORROR!!! THE HUMANITY!!!!! WE GOTTA DO WHATEVER IT TAKES RIGHT NOW!!!! IF IT SAVES EVEN ONE LI......whoops never mind. I just noticed it's people killed by guns and not cars. nothing to see here folks, just another acceptable, tolerable loss so I can have my guns. show me someone killed by a car and I promise i'll bust out the "we gotta do whatever it takes, if it saves even one life it's worth it!!!!"
Yes sure, but if you don´t carry it around you cannot hurt somebody.
But I do carry one.( gun) and I have for three years.. Never once have I had to hurt anyone. Thank God, but believe I will if I have to. Only I don't believe in shooting to maim. If I've had a chance to give you warning that I have the gun and will use it, and the threat continues.. I WILL shoot to kill. My point? There ARE too many idiots that haveguns. But not everyone that has guns is an idiot.
I can't comprehend the fear needed to have to carry around a gun. Then state your conditions to ending a life. Sad.
i see gunshot wounds all the time now since i started working at a trauma center. we had a kid tuesday get his entire distal humerus/ medial epicondyle of the elbow get blown away. they had to take cadaver donar bone grafting to try to reattach it. the only chance he has to regain use of his elbow is that he is 15. he is looking at an elbow replacement at some point though. they had to leave bullet fragments in there because there were hundreds of them and they were too small to get all of them out. sick stuff.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
piece of shit. utter, utter piece of shit. it is his fault his beautiful daughter is dead, and he should pay for it. the "he is suffering enough with his mistake" defense is not going to wash. make a statement, America. put this fucker away.
Hugh,
You're getting a little more hostile as you age.
I like it. Keep up the good work!
I have never had any issue with putting people away who deserve it. especially people who hurt kids. their own kids. what a gorgeous little smile that will never be seen again. so easy to avoid.
stupidity and irresponsibility is different than mental illness in my opinion.
any of you guys remember that old anti drug commercial from the 80's? the kid is sitting in his bed watching tv, the dad comes in with a bag of weed asking WHO TAUGHT YOU HOW TO DO THIS? kid says I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU OKAY!!!
I feel like the kid in that situation. I learned (from the anti gunners in pearl jam land) that it's ok to single out one group of people, say they are more important than everyone else, and then set up a stupid parameter that only encompasses that specific group. so your average anti gunner can hear of a person dying, ask if they were killed by something designed to kill, and if the answer is no, then voila! off to oblivion with ya.
i'm doing the exact same thing, i'm saying people killed by cars are the most important, my stupid parameter that includes only people killed by cars is, were they killed by something that takes gas. because gas is derived from oil and oil is a natural resource responsible for untold amounts of murder, hate, greed, corruption, displacement and pollution.
so just like you antigunners can say that the tens of thousands of people being killed, the countless more animals being killed, the pollution, the enabling of obesity and physical inactivity, and all that negative shit that comes from oil, is acceptable or tolerable to you because cars weren't designed to kill. I can say all the accidental discharges, intentional murders, and general wackos killing people is acceptable/tolerable to me.....because they weren't killed by something designed to take gas. and we can all sleep well at night.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
as you admitted yourself, guns are the only parameter whereas there is no other design for the product in question. get rid of guns, get rid of the problem. sure, you will still have murders and whatnot. but you won't have as many children dying needlessly.
if obesity was a right "protected" by your ridiculous constitution, then yes, that would actually be a mode of contention. you'd have the NOA (national obesity association) saying "you'll take my supersized chili fries out of my cold dead hands". all that stupid shit.
you don't need a gun to go to work.you don't need a gun to slice your bread, you don't need a gun to hammer a nail. you need a gun to harm others, period. you can call it defense, you can dress it up all you want, it is meant to HARM OTHERS. no other use for it.
would I like to have electric cars and no pollution? of course. but our society is set up currently around quick transportation. I'd love to live in a walking community. but i don't.
if people were rallying around getting that done, I wouldn't be opposing it just because I love my fucking car and feel it's my right to pollute others and accidentally run others down. I'd say "you know, you're right, this is for the betterment of our society, let's do it". gun owners don't do that. they are inherently selfish in that regard, in my opinion.
Handguns are made for killin' They ain't no good for nothin' else
Rationalize them any way you want comparing them to cars, spoons, cancer, old age, or whatever, but it doesn't legitimize them: the deaths that result from a gunshot are the product of a killing tool.
piece of shit. utter, utter piece of shit. it is his fault his beautiful daughter is dead, and he should pay for it. the "he is suffering enough with his mistake" defense is not going to wash. make a statement, America. put this fucker away.
Hugh,
You're getting a little more hostile as you age.
I like it. Keep up the good work!
I have never had any issue with putting people away who deserve it. especially people who hurt kids. their own kids. what a gorgeous little smile that will never be seen again. so easy to avoid.
stupidity and irresponsibility is different than mental illness in my opinion.
Of course.
I meant to say you have been a little more fired up lately- kind of like that old face palm emoticon except using two hands.
piece of shit. utter, utter piece of shit. it is his fault his beautiful daughter is dead, and he should pay for it. the "he is suffering enough with his mistake" defense is not going to wash. make a statement, America. put this fucker away.
Hugh,
You're getting a little more hostile as you age.
I like it. Keep up the good work!
I have never had any issue with putting people away who deserve it. especially people who hurt kids. their own kids. what a gorgeous little smile that will never be seen again. so easy to avoid.
stupidity and irresponsibility is different than mental illness in my opinion.
Of course.
I meant to say you have been a little more fired up lately- kind of like that old face palm emoticon except using two hands.
@Paulo, I feel where you're coming from about the lack of cooperation from gun owners. personally I feel like if laws were passed completely abolishing guns, that would be it for you guys. I don't think that hardcore anti gun sentiment would transfer over to cars, knives, alcohol, tobacco etc. you'd George bush us, standing on your aircraft carrier with the mission accomplished banner in the background congratulating yourself on winning the war all the while people are dropping like flies all around. and then rationalizing it as just being an acceptable part of life because after all, all that shit isn't designed to kill. so why should i jump on bandwagon that boasts of caring about precious human life to turn around and in the same breath say, these people are cool to die, I can live with these people dying, yup totally cool that these people die...............but I care about human life so much. when it's obvious.....that you guys don't.
@thirty, not trying to legitimize gun deaths, just pointing out that you saying they are the most important is just your opinion. there is no right and wrong. if I picked people killed by cancer, or starved to death, or stabbed to death and gave you a really good reason why I picked them, that's still just my opinion that they are the most important. there is no set in stone, sent from the creator of the universe thing that says people killed by something designed to kill take precedent over everyone else. you're trying to say look, look they're designed to kill, isn't that the best reason to put people on a pedestal? and yeah it's great except for the fact that everyone killed by something other than a gun gets excluded. can you even comprehend how many people don't make it on to your pedestal? it's gotta be in the tens of millions.
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if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
@Paulo, I feel where you're coming from about the lack of cooperation from gun owners. personally I feel like if laws were passed completely abolishing guns, that would be it for you guys. I don't think that hardcore anti gun sentiment would transfer over to cars, knives, alcohol, tobacco etc. you'd George bush us, standing on your aircraft carrier with the mission accomplished banner in the background congratulating yourself on winning the war all the while people are dropping like flies all around. and then rationalizing it as just being an acceptable part of life because after all, all that shit isn't designed to kill. so why should i jump on bandwagon that boasts of caring about precious human life to turn around and in the same breath say, these people are cool to die, I can live with these people dying, yup totally cool that these people die...............but I care about human life so much. when it's obvious.....that you guys don't.
@thirty, not trying to legitimize gun deaths, just pointing out that you saying they are the most important is just your opinion. there is no right and wrong. if I picked people killed by cancer, or starved to death, or stabbed to death and gave you a really good reason why I picked them, that's still just my opinion that they are the most important. there is no set in stone, sent from the creator of the universe thing that says people killed by something designed to kill take precedent over everyone else. you're trying to say look, look they're designed to kill, isn't that the best reason to put people on a pedestal? and yeah it's great except for the fact that everyone killed by something other than a gun gets excluded. can you even comprehend how many people don't make it on to your pedestal? it's gotta be in the tens of millions.
this is, seriously, the most non-sensical argument I've ever heard from the pro-gun side. "gun deaths are no more important than car deaths"? I can't even say I completely understand this point. No one is saying one life is worth more than another. we are just saying that there are risks to everything, but there isn't a reward for everything.
of COURSE many things cause death. But there is NO NEED for guns. should cigarettes be outlawed? yes, I they should be. the immeasureable toll they take on society is ridiculous all in the name of "freedom" and tax revenue. and this is coming from a former full time smoker and current part time smoker.
however: do they cause immediate death to children if played with? no.
and now we are inevitibly going to circle back around to the car comparison. yes, cars can cause death by accident or even on purpose in some cases if used irresponsibly and sometimes even if used responsibly just by unfortunate happenstance.
but I will come back to my risk vs reward point. you don't use guns to get to work. you don't use guns to get your kids to soccer or get groceries. cars have a place in society, some would call it a need, I call it a necessary evil at this point. guns have zero need in society.
except to protect your family against a tyrannical government. and we all know this is just around the bend.
and just to be clear: despite what I said before about outlawing guns, I'm not actually pro abolition. I'm pro regulation. maybe even education. it would appear the american gun culture is so far gone into the insanity abyss that the only tool that would be viable is prevention by education. teach kids to respect them. because too many human beings are too fucking stupid and irresponsible to teach their own kids the basics.
Wait a mnt a car was designed to get from point A to point B , guns were designed to do one thing and one thing only ......but why do gun owners think that the anti gun folks wan't to take their weapons from them we just need some stronger laws in place & more education .....
i'm all for better education. I took a hunter safety course when I was 14 in a public high school class. didn't even have a gun at the time. just the basics about owning/firing a gun. but at what point does it become redundant? you said it Paulo, people are indeed too fucking stupid. how do you teach the simplest thing to people that stupid? to me it seems like common sense to not keep a round in the chamber unless i'm about to pull the trigger, which is why the majority of accidental discharges occur. the only people that should walk around with a round in the chamber are cops patrolling a known area for extreme gun violence.
and I wouldn't say zero need, there are criminals worthy of defending yourself against with a gun out there, target shooting is too much fun, and guns make my pecker look huge in the mirror!!!
and for what it's worth, I was using the abolition of guns as an analogy. I know you guys aren't after a complete ban, but you gotta admit you'd vote for it if it was put in front of you.
@thirty, my bad man, I thought that's what your point was. that gun deaths are more important. that's what it felt like you were trying to convey.
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if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
And by the way, I have respect for hunters and outdoorsman that have a need for rifles, shotguns, and in some cases, handguns. I'd never vote for the abolition of guns.
Is there someone in this thread that can provide readers digest version answers to the following,
1. What, if any reason must you provide when applying for a permit to carry a concealed weapon?
2. What, if any reason must you provide when applying for a permit to carry?
3. Is it generally accepted to assume someone is carrying a weapon (in America) when out in public?
I ask these questions so as to maybe bring forth some clarity as to the strong sense of entitlement that Americans have to carry arms. Does a society that permits concealed weapons feel threatened? or is it inherently cultured?
There is a saying that I'm sure most have heard but it fits - "Weapons are most dangerous when regarded as being perfectly safe"
i'm all for better education. I took a hunter safety course when I was 14 in a public high school class. didn't even have a gun at the time. just the basics about owning/firing a gun. but at what point does it become redundant? you said it Paulo, people are indeed too fucking stupid. how do you teach the simplest thing to people that stupid? to me it seems like common sense to not keep a round in the chamber unless i'm about to pull the trigger, which is why the majority of accidental discharges occur. the only people that should walk around with a round in the chamber are cops patrolling a known area for extreme gun violence.
and I wouldn't say zero need, there are criminals worthy of defending yourself against with a gun out there, target shooting is too much fun, and guns make my pecker look huge in the mirror!!!
and for what it's worth, I was using the abolition of guns as an analogy. I know you guys aren't after a complete ban, but you gotta admit you'd vote for it if it was put in front of you.
@thirty, my bad man, I thought that's what your point was. that gun deaths are more important. that's what it felt like you were trying to convey.
Is there someone in this thread that can provide readers digest version answers to the following,
1. What, if any reason must you provide when applying for a permit to carry a concealed weapon?
2. What, if any reason must you provide when applying for a permit to carry?
3. Is it generally accepted to assume someone is carrying a weapon (in America) when out in public?
I ask these questions so as to maybe bring forth some clarity as to the strong sense of entitlement that Americans have to carry arms. Does a society that permits concealed weapons feel threatened? or is it inherently cultured?
There is a saying that I'm sure most have heard but it fits - "Weapons are most dangerous when regarded as being perfectly safe"
1. It depends on the state. Some states are "must issue" meaning that if you meet the requirements they have to issue you the permit. Some are "may issue" meaning that if you meet the requirements and have a "valid" reason they will issue you the permit - up to the discretion of law enforcement. Those reasons can be anything from fear of a known threat, to job related (maybe someone who carries a lot of cash or gems or valuables), etc,,, Some states don't have concealed carry permits. http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_information.html
2. Do you mean "open carry"? Many states allow open carry with no permit. Many states allow open carry with a permit. Some states do not allow open carry. I am not a big fan of open carry because I think it can be antagonistic. And the people who were open carrying at Starbucks just because they could were idiots. They intentionally made people feel uncomfortable and some of them could have been considered brandishing, which is a crime even in open carry states. http://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/map-where-is-open-carry-legal-1715/
3. No. I think it is safe to assume that most of us are not carrying.
I don't carry, but I don't feel threatened by people who do, because I typically would never know if they're carrying or not.
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You're getting a little more hostile as you age.
I like it. Keep up the good work!
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
But I do carry one.( gun) and I have for three years.. Never once have I had to hurt anyone. Thank God, but believe I will if I have to. Only I don't believe in shooting to maim. If I've had a chance to give you warning that I have the gun and will use it, and the threat continues.. I WILL shoot to kill. My point? There ARE too many idiots that haveguns. But not everyone that has guns is an idiot.
Sweet!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
stupidity and irresponsibility is different than mental illness in my opinion.
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I feel like the kid in that situation. I learned (from the anti gunners in pearl jam land) that it's ok to single out one group of people, say they are more important than everyone else, and then set up a stupid parameter that only encompasses that specific group. so your average anti gunner can hear of a person dying, ask if they were killed by something designed to kill, and if the answer is no, then voila! off to oblivion with ya.
i'm doing the exact same thing, i'm saying people killed by cars are the most important, my stupid parameter that includes only people killed by cars is, were they killed by something that takes gas. because gas is derived from oil and oil is a natural resource responsible for untold amounts of murder, hate, greed, corruption, displacement and pollution.
so just like you antigunners can say that the tens of thousands of people being killed, the countless more animals being killed, the pollution, the enabling of obesity and physical inactivity, and all that negative shit that comes from oil, is acceptable or tolerable to you because cars weren't designed to kill. I can say all the accidental discharges, intentional murders, and general wackos killing people is acceptable/tolerable to me.....because they weren't killed by something designed to take gas. and we can all sleep well at night.
if obesity was a right "protected" by your ridiculous constitution, then yes, that would actually be a mode of contention. you'd have the NOA (national obesity association) saying "you'll take my supersized chili fries out of my cold dead hands". all that stupid shit.
you don't need a gun to go to work.you don't need a gun to slice your bread, you don't need a gun to hammer a nail. you need a gun to harm others, period. you can call it defense, you can dress it up all you want, it is meant to HARM OTHERS. no other use for it.
would I like to have electric cars and no pollution? of course. but our society is set up currently around quick transportation. I'd love to live in a walking community. but i don't.
if people were rallying around getting that done, I wouldn't be opposing it just because I love my fucking car and feel it's my right to pollute others and accidentally run others down. I'd say "you know, you're right, this is for the betterment of our society, let's do it". gun owners don't do that. they are inherently selfish in that regard, in my opinion.
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They ain't no good for nothin' else
Rationalize them any way you want comparing them to cars, spoons, cancer, old age, or whatever, but it doesn't legitimize them: the deaths that result from a gunshot are the product of a killing tool.
I meant to say you have been a little more fired up lately- kind of like that old face palm emoticon except using two hands.
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@thirty, not trying to legitimize gun deaths, just pointing out that you saying they are the most important is just your opinion. there is no right and wrong. if I picked people killed by cancer, or starved to death, or stabbed to death and gave you a really good reason why I picked them, that's still just my opinion that they are the most important. there is no set in stone, sent from the creator of the universe thing that says people killed by something designed to kill take precedent over everyone else. you're trying to say look, look they're designed to kill, isn't that the best reason to put people on a pedestal? and yeah it's great except for the fact that everyone killed by something other than a gun gets excluded. can you even comprehend how many people don't make it on to your pedestal? it's gotta be in the tens of millions.
of COURSE many things cause death. But there is NO NEED for guns. should cigarettes be outlawed? yes, I they should be. the immeasureable toll they take on society is ridiculous all in the name of "freedom" and tax revenue. and this is coming from a former full time smoker and current part time smoker.
however: do they cause immediate death to children if played with? no.
and now we are inevitibly going to circle back around to the car comparison. yes, cars can cause death by accident or even on purpose in some cases if used irresponsibly and sometimes even if used responsibly just by unfortunate happenstance.
but I will come back to my risk vs reward point. you don't use guns to get to work. you don't use guns to get your kids to soccer or get groceries. cars have a place in society, some would call it a need, I call it a necessary evil at this point. guns have zero need in society.
except to protect your family against a tyrannical government. and we all know this is just around the bend.
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I have been saying they are the most unnecessary. Gun deaths are the direct result of a tool designed for killing operating as it should.
Why have a tool like that?
And I am for reform, not abolishment.
and I wouldn't say zero need, there are criminals worthy of defending yourself against with a gun out there, target shooting is too much fun, and guns make my pecker look huge in the mirror!!!
and for what it's worth, I was using the abolition of guns as an analogy. I know you guys aren't after a complete ban, but you gotta admit you'd vote for it if it was put in front of you.
@thirty, my bad man, I thought that's what your point was. that gun deaths are more important. that's what it felt like you were trying to convey.
1. What, if any reason must you provide when applying for a permit to carry a concealed weapon?
2. What, if any reason must you provide when applying for a permit to carry?
3. Is it generally accepted to assume someone is carrying a weapon (in America) when out in public?
I ask these questions so as to maybe bring forth some clarity as to the strong sense of entitlement that Americans have to carry arms. Does a society that permits concealed weapons feel threatened? or is it inherently cultured?
There is a saying that I'm sure most have heard but it fits - "Weapons are most dangerous when regarded as being perfectly safe"
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_information.html
2. Do you mean "open carry"? Many states allow open carry with no permit. Many states allow open carry with a permit. Some states do not allow open carry. I am not a big fan of open carry because I think it can be antagonistic. And the people who were open carrying at Starbucks just because they could were idiots. They intentionally made people feel uncomfortable and some of them could have been considered brandishing, which is a crime even in open carry states.
http://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/map-where-is-open-carry-legal-1715/
3. No. I think it is safe to assume that most of us are not carrying.
I don't carry, but I don't feel threatened by people who do, because I typically would never know if they're carrying or not.