President Obama FREE 2 year community college

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,676
    I would add some stipulations to this measure: free schooling as long as student maintains a 3.0 or better grade point average and no grade lower than a "C". No tolerance for slackers in a program like this.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,824
    muskydan wrote: »
    Last-12-Exit wrote: »
    If this is funded by anything other than lottery money, Obama should be arrested.

    Nice one LAst-12….FREE is Barry's American middle name.. Must have thought of this brilliant plan on the Golf course over the holidays in Hawaii chopping away. Can you believe with all the Golf this phony plays that he sucks at golf??? I mean if you and I are going to pay for all these rounds of golf and all the costs involved when Barry and the Boys want to tee it up, he should at least be a respectable Golfer….but no…he is a total hack!!! Freaking embarrassing for any American Golfer. I would have to give him 16 strokes him being a 26 handicapper…
    muskydan wrote: »
    I am do remember Georgie's Days Bad Brains..
    Just to be clear I really can't stand all politicians, been around them my whole carrer. That's why I poke fun at them cause I think most are no good liars.
    Teaching the willing a trade/ skill is a much better idea than a 2 year community college degree...what does that get you???
    And by the way GW would absolutely smoke Barry and on course...he should just stick w/ basketball which by the way be sux at too. Was assigned to his security detail a few times over the years when he gets the b-ball playing brilliant political minds of Chicago togther for some "pick up" basketball. Or I should say, let Obama score games..I felt like I was watching a Dad teaching his young son the game and he lets his son Win. Anyhow, I will have some better material if Hilliary gets anointed..

    dude yeah please stick to being a cop you have no future in comedy .....
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    =))
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    I appreciate the idea, but don't believe it has any legs. It will be difficult to get this through congress. Even if that happened, there is a huge roadblock to actually implementing it. I have heard that it will be a 50/50 deal with the states. I'm sure there will be many states unexcited about receiving another unfunded mandate by the feds. Some states will be unable to find that funding, others will not even try. So while this sounds like a really interesting idea, and believe me as a parent of a college student I'd love an alternative to the exorbitant costs of education, I just don't see this thing even getting off the ground.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    badbrains wrote: »
    You guys do know you can go to a 4 year college after attending 2 years community? I don't see whats wrong with this. And I'm sure they'll somehow connect the trade school and allow you to chose.

    I don't want to pay for it. That's what's wrong with it.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I agree with Jason. I think, instead of making me pay for someone else's college fund, measures should be taken to decrease the cost of secondary education. It's absolutely absurd what universities charge for a semesters worth of classes.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Last-12-Exit wrote: »
    I agree with Jason. I think, instead of making me pay for someone else's college fund, measures should be taken to decrease the cost of secondary education. It's absolutely absurd what universities charge for a semesters worth of classes.
    Letting student loans be absolved with bankruptcy will change things instantly. No lending agency in it's right mind would loan an 18 year old $50K for one year of university.
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  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    Can't really be that anymore unfortionately, perhaps there is a future in golf for me.... Now that would be a comedy show
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    The $140,000-a-year welding job: Two-year degree and special skills pay off for a young Texan

    HOUSTON—Justin Friend’s parents have doctoral degrees and have worked as university lecturers and researchers. So Mr. Friend might have been expected to head for a university after graduating from high school in Bryan, Texas, five years ago.

    Instead, he attended Texas State Technical College in Waco, and received a two-year degree in welding. In 2013, his first full year as a welder, his income was about $130,000, more than triple the average annual wages for welders in the U.S. In 2014, Mr. Friend’s income rose to about $140,000.

    That has allowed the 24-year-old to buy a $53,000 Ford F-250 pickup truck, invest in mutual funds and dabble in his hobbies, such as making jet engines, including one he attached to a golf cart.

    “Not everybody needs a four-year college degree,” said Kathryn Vaughan, his mother, a retired biology lecturer who spent part of her career at Texas A&M University.

    The risks of a mismatch between costly university degrees and job opportunities have become clearer in recent years. Anthony Carnevale, director of the Center on Education and the Workforce at Georgetown University, said nearly a third of people aged 22 through 26 with a Bachelor of Arts degree either don’t have a job or are working at one that doesn’t require a university degree. The numbers are similar for young people with vocational degrees, but those lower-cost degrees don’t typically lead to heavy debts.

    Eric Kayne for The Wall Street Journal Justin Friend usually is working about 72 hours per week, making $25 in regular wages and significant overtime pay for nights and weekends.

    Student loan debt outstanding in the U.S. totaled $1.13 trillion as of Sept. 30, up by $100 billion from a year earlier, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. (Mr. Friend has no debts.)

    .......

    finance.yahoo.com/news/140-000-welding-job-193900082.html
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited January 2015
    Damn, I'm gonna look Into welding. Fuck it, I'd even move to Texas for $140,000/year.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    72 hours a week.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    You can have all the money in the world but you can't buy more time.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    rgambs wrote: »
    72 hours a week.

    gotta make hay while the sun shines.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    That's working almost double a regular work week, which makes it much less impressive. If a person devotes a proportional amount of their time to their family and life, they won't be making that kind of money in the trades...They will make plenty to live off of though, and I fully support trade school training. I do not care for these sensational stories in this vein that pop up now and then, they are just as bad as the ones that over estimate the value of a liberal arts degree. I really hope trade school training is wrapped up in this deal!
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  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,915
    rgambs wrote: »

    Student loan reform and reigning in the ridiculous cost of university education are what we really need.

    This. The insane prices of 4 year college (even if you go to a state school) and student loan interest rates are the real problem. I was lucky enough that my parents were able to pay for about half of my college. But I'm still paying student loans at the age of 31 and I will be paying for several more years. I got in at a decent interest rate so it hasn't killed me, but I never thought I'd still be paying student loans in my 30s.

    I can't even imagine the people that have had to take out loans for the entirety of their college education. So many people are crippled with debt from these loans...it's sad. But, college prices continue to soar with no end in sight.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,676
    Indifference71 wrote: »
    rgambs wrote: »

    Student loan reform and reigning in the ridiculous cost of university education are what we really need.

    This. The insane prices of 4 year college (even if you go to a state school) and student loan interest rates are the real problem. I was lucky enough that my parents were able to pay for about half of my college. But I'm still paying student loans at the age of 31 and I will be paying for several more years. I got in at a decent interest rate so it hasn't killed me, but I never thought I'd still be paying student loans in my 30s.

    I can't even imagine the people that have had to take out loans for the entirety of their college education. So many people are crippled with debt from these loans...it's sad. But, college prices continue to soar with no end in sight.

    Whoa- no shit. Check this out:

    In 1969 I enrolled as a California resident in 15 units at San Francisco State University. My total tuition fees were $50.00 Yes, that's right FIFTY DOLLARS. Using an on-line inflation calculator, those fees today, if changed only through inflation, would be $328.24 for 15 units. In fact, a full load of 15 units at that same school today will cost and undergraduate California resident $2736.00. In other words, tuition at that school- adjusted for inflation- is more than 8 times what it was 45 years ago. And this does not include various other campus fees which are much higher as well. I suspect going to college today is easily 10 times more expensive overall than it was in my short life time ago.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Yessir. It is easy to see why folks from about 32 yrs old down get pretty frustrated with anyone over 40 who boasts of putting themselves through school. It is arrogant and damn frustrating, even doctors and lawyers are paying twice what their bosses did for school and starting with wages not much higher, if at all higher, than their bosses started with. It is a big problem, especially for professionals!
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,081
    Sounds like a great idea....no one ever complains about the quality or funding of a public education, it only makes sense to expand on it.

    And for equal comparison for what 72 hours a week gets you with a 4 year business degree. 1 year out of college I had friends go into major corporations and start at entry-level jobs with $25 an hour.

    72 hours a week times 52 weeks a year is 3744 hours.
    2080 hours would be regular pay; 1664 would be time and-a-half
    52,000 in regular pay plus 62,400 in time-and-a-half would give you a starting annual wage of $114,400.

    Moreover, after earning 4 years of progressive experience in a white collar job your income starts to accelerate and your earnings potential becomes virtually limitless.

    The problem with a lot of blue collars jobs is after about 6 years, if you don't turn self-employed, your earnings potential gets maxed out. Meaning, the only way Justin Friend can sustain earning 130,000-140,000 a year will be with 72-80 work weeks for the rest of his work life....hope it's worth it.

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