Should PJ consider a "Beat the Bots" box office only pre-sale strategy like the Foos?
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Agreed. Speaking as someone who used to be a retail manager- they are setting themselves up for some bad shit to happen.cdysinge said:^^^^ This seems insane to me. You can't line up early so what happens right at 7am when the box office is ready to start the process. If PJ tried this they would probably get banned from playing in that city ever again as the mayhem that would ensue right at 7am would need the national guard called in to calm it down. I assume FF is thinking since it is GA who cares if you are 1st or 201st as long as tickets are available. For FF that is probably the case in most cities. With PJ though the demand would far outweigh the tickets available. Old videos of people getting trampled on black friday would be nothing compared to what would happen as soon as wrist bands started getting handed out at 7am with no line or structure up until that point. PJ has it right for their fan base who travels to the few shows a year they play with the system they are using. Keep the current system
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honestly it seems like a bit of a gimmick to build hype to me, since i dont really see a need to do this...
why not just use non-transferable willcall pickup tickets for the best seats in the house like Uncle Neil and Bruce (and other artists as well)?Post edited by my2hands on0 -
I agree that doesn't seem logicial. How many tickets are being sold for the presale? What if it's 1000 tickets and 2000 people show up for 7:00am? How do you create any order. It's not like people will arrive single file starting at 7:00am. A bunch of people will come at 7:00am....0
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F any f'n lines i'm done with any of this crap , i'd rather hear concert announcements from the Radio stations like in the old days they'd announce a show and tickets would go on sale that afternoon or that morning you had to go and find a ticket outlet to get tickets .....jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Totally see your point. I guess where I'm coming from is, it's really not fun being shut out for tickets to shows at my doorstep. I live in NYC so yes, more bands pay here more frequently than most cities, however, I also pay a premium to live here precisely because I want that access.Zod said:
I'm still against hometown advantage. It's a big F.U. to all the fans that live outside of the places PJ tours.
I don't have a good answer, other than the next time Pearl Jam comes back to MSG, I'd better be getting a ticket0 -
There were still lines back then. I didn't even sniff the front of the line for the 1998 shows before they were sold out. It probably just varied by which outlet you went to.josevolution said:F any f'n lines i'm done with any of this crap , i'd rather hear concert announcements from the Radio stations like in the old days they'd announce a show and tickets would go on sale that afternoon or that morning you had to go and find a ticket outlet to get tickets .....
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Not a fan of this idea at all. PJ doesn't play NE Ohio, so that leaves us to Pittsburgh, Cincinnati or some other place. It would cut us out of the ticket loop and selfishly, that would make me sad. Besides, how would Derby Dave go to multiple shows in a tour?
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I promise you Amy...deadendp said:Not a fan of this idea at all. PJ doesn't play NE Ohio, so that leaves us to Pittsburgh, Cincinnati or some other place. It would cut us out of the ticket loop and selfishly, that would make me sad. Besides, how would Derby Dave go to multiple shows in a tour?
Believe me, I stood in plenty of TM lines back in my early college days. I had the experience. I can cross that off of my list. I'm okay not to revisit it.
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Aren't most pre-sale allotments via ticketmaster not always the best seats? I would be disappointed if I waited outside the box-office only to receive mediocre seats. The first few people in line will probably score great seats, but keep in mind that there is still a general on-sale that will have tickets set aside for it.PJ:
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I would like to add to Suziemays comment that when your hometown market is a huge draw like in ny it's much harder to get tickets in public sale. If you see my sig you'll notice I attended Newark but not MSG 2010. I was shut out of TM public sale for MSG, before I knew about 10c tickets. If you're familiar with that show, you know exactly why I'm still bitter about it lolNYC 06/24/08-Auckland 11/27/09-Chch 11/29/09-Newark 05/18/10-Atlanta 09/22/12-Chicago 07/19/13-Brooklyn 10/18/13 & 10/19/13-Hartford 10/25/13-Baltimore 10/27/13-Auckland 1/17/14-GC 1/19/14-Melbourne 1/24/14-Sydney 1/26/14-Amsterdam 6/16/14 & 6/17/14-Milan 6/20/14-Berlin 6/26/14-Leeds 7/8/14-Milton Keynes 7/11/14-St. Louis 10/3/14-NYC 9/26/15
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ldent42 said:
I will say I like this idea, but IN TANDEM with 10c lottery.
Ticketmaster tends to have several presales, like for Amex or Citi card members, or if you buy a CD and get a code, and THEN the general sale.
I think that this is the way to go...For hometown fans, it gives the opportunity to score tickets to a hometown show (and yes, there will be scalpers in line as well - pretty hard to eliminate that) from the general pool of tickets. 10C lottery system stays intact with no reduction in fanclub ticket allotment, so people will have the same ability to pick show and travel.
It will be interesting to see how these pre-sales go so that there will be a trial in place so that other bands like PJ can evaluate if this works.0 -
I hate the idea.
Even if it were a local show I probably wouldnt go at all. I dont want to deal with a line, and deal with the inevitability of people trying to cut up the line, and others getting worried and pushing up more, etc. If you are even keeled like me, you are hopeless in those situations.
And the weather can be pretty shitty in Buffalo. If I had to wait in line today I would probably die.0 -
Hey guys,
Just to point out a fact some are missing they are doing it the Bruce Springsteen way and each fan gets a number in line, they randomly pull a number and that person is now the front of the line. It's an easy way to discourage lining up early or any mad rushes to the front.0 -
Horrible idea. It alienates all fans from non-metropoletan cities. I want to travel to cities far from home. I couldn't possibly participate in the presale.0
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How does it alienate fans from outside the metropolitan area if is seperate from the 10C lottery and comes from the general pool of tickets (not from fanclub)? The idea is to give hometown fans a chance to go to the box office and avoid the madness of trying to get tickets online. And you add in the Bruce Springsteen way and there is no mad rush. No guarantees obviously, but I would roll the dice if it gave me a better shot of going to a hometown show...CopperTom said:Horrible idea. It alienates all fans from non-metropoletan cities. I want to travel to cities far from home. I couldn't possibly participate in the presale.
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This doesn't capture the entire process. You don't need to get there right at 7:00 because they hand out numbered wristbands from 7:00 to 9:30. Everyone who shows up during that time gets a wristband. THEN...at 9:30 a random number is drawn. The person holding that number becomes the front of the line. Then line up in numerical order behind them. So let's say they hand out 100 wrist bands (obv there will be more but for the sake of the conversation) and 35 is drawn. Lucky number 35 becomes the front of the line. Then 36...37...38...etc. The dude who was holding number 1 goes after number 100 and the really fecked person holding 34 becomes anchor man.lolobugg said:
Agreed. Speaking as someone who used to be a retail manager- they are setting themselves up for some bad shit to happen.cdysinge said:^^^^ This seems insane to me. You can't line up early so what happens right at 7am when the box office is ready to start the process. If PJ tried this they would probably get banned from playing in that city ever again as the mayhem that would ensue right at 7am would need the national guard called in to calm it down. I assume FF is thinking since it is GA who cares if you are 1st or 201st as long as tickets are available. For FF that is probably the case in most cities. With PJ though the demand would far outweigh the tickets available. Old videos of people getting trampled on black friday would be nothing compared to what would happen as soon as wrist bands started getting handed out at 7am with no line or structure up until that point. PJ has it right for their fan base who travels to the few shows a year they play with the system they are using. Keep the current system
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well this makes more sense.AntoinettesArt said:
This doesn't capture the entire process. You don't need to get there right at 7:00 because they hand out numbered wristbands from 7:00 to 9:30. Everyone who shows up during that time gets a wristband. THEN...at 9:30 a random number is drawn. The person holding that number becomes the front of the line. Then line up in numerical order behind them. So let's say they hand out 100 wrist bands (obv there will be more but for the sake of the conversation) and 35 is drawn. Lucky number 35 becomes the front of the line. Then 36...37...38...etc. The dude who was holding number 1 goes after number 100 and the really fecked person holding 34 becomes anchor man.lolobugg said:
Agreed. Speaking as someone who used to be a retail manager- they are setting themselves up for some bad shit to happen.cdysinge said:^^^^ This seems insane to me. You can't line up early so what happens right at 7am when the box office is ready to start the process. If PJ tried this they would probably get banned from playing in that city ever again as the mayhem that would ensue right at 7am would need the national guard called in to calm it down. I assume FF is thinking since it is GA who cares if you are 1st or 201st as long as tickets are available. For FF that is probably the case in most cities. With PJ though the demand would far outweigh the tickets available. Old videos of people getting trampled on black friday would be nothing compared to what would happen as soon as wrist bands started getting handed out at 7am with no line or structure up until that point. PJ has it right for their fan base who travels to the few shows a year they play with the system they are using. Keep the current system
Did everyone follow or does there need to be a flow chart?
I didn't get that from the former posts but then again I wasn't really looking very hard.
this is the old ticketmaster/blockbuster music way of lining up...
so in essence- it is a lottery.
I will stick with the way 10club does it now.
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I need a flow chart.
I do find it distressing that there's more people concerned about disadvantaging the already privileged fans who get to travel for shows instead of benefiting those who can't by doing something like this.
I have been very privileged to be able to travel for shows - I have to take an indefinite hiatus from long term travel & a temporary break from short term (like 2-3 days away for a show) so while I'm happy the Foos are playing in NY (and some would saySheaCitifield hardly counts as a NY show) I can't go line up on Sat for tickets so I'm in the general sale with everyone else.
I will agree November was a stupid time to do this.Post edited by ldent42 onNYC 06/24/08-Auckland 11/27/09-Chch 11/29/09-Newark 05/18/10-Atlanta 09/22/12-Chicago 07/19/13-Brooklyn 10/18/13 & 10/19/13-Hartford 10/25/13-Baltimore 10/27/13-Auckland 1/17/14-GC 1/19/14-Melbourne 1/24/14-Sydney 1/26/14-Amsterdam 6/16/14 & 6/17/14-Milan 6/20/14-Berlin 6/26/14-Leeds 7/8/14-Milton Keynes 7/11/14-St. Louis 10/3/14-NYC 9/26/15
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I think this one works if it is only a small set of tickets, so there are still many available for the out of towners, but perhaps the best ones go to locals. Like it!buck502000 said:might be cool if you could only get inline with an active 10c membership
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I think you forgot the part where they changed the maximum number of seated tickets overnight from 4 to 2! Who will be standing outside in 30 degree weather between 7am, when they get their wristband, and 10am, when the selling begins?? Not me!jwhjr17 said:Here's the rules for the St. Paul show in person box office sale. Seems pretty organized to me:
Tickets for the August 22, 2015, Foo Fighters concert will go on sale this Saturday, November 22 at 10 a.m. in person only at the Xcel Energy Center Box Office.
Numbered wristbands will be distributed at Gate 1 of Xcel Energy Center beginning at 7 a.m. Saturday and continuing until 3 p.m. or until wristbands run out. Absolutely no camping overnight or lining up for wristband prior to 7 a.m. will be permitted. Receiving a wristband guarantees the opportunity to purchase tickets to the show. Prices and locations subject to availability.
After receiving a wristband, fans will be directed to form a line. Fans must stay in line as leaving the line will forfeit their position. Fans may not save a place in line for other fans and wristbands are non-transferable. Fans must have a wristband to purchase tickets. There is a ticket limit of two (2) tickets per wristband, no exceptions.
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Exactly.... Back in the day scalpers would pay people 50-100 bucks to stand in line and buy the max quantity. Scalpers were around before the Internet.Mercury said:How about just paperless? This gimmick doesn't take into account fans who wish to travel to another city or that scalpers are perfectly capable of standing in a line.
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I'm too old for lines now.0
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there are a lot of paid people to be in line here in toronto. i hate this idea a lot0
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i dont get why we need to compare anyone else and their policies to pearl jam
each should exist on their own and in their own way
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not just you but i dont get why we always need to compare anyone else and their fan policies to pearl jam. we got it more good than less good. imoGiven2Fly-Fish said:So for the FF North American tour, they have established box office only pre-sale (old school) at the venue - http://consequenceofsound.net/2014/11/foo-fighters-announce-north-american-stadium-tour/ to beat on-line scalper bots. I like this for a few reasons - give hometown fans a better chance to see a show in their backyard and help reduce scalper access to tickets. 10C could also continue, I believe, to have the lottery as well (since pre-sale is through the box office). Love to hear everyone's thoughts on this as I think it is a cool idea...
and cut it any way u want but the king(F U LN) still tell the bands how many tickets THEY can have...
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Please no. This process sucked. I showed up to the venue at 10 and it took 1 hour and 45 minutes to get tix. Showing up at 10 and missing the wristband lottery, I didn't have high expectations for the seat location (very back of the pavilion) but I didn't expect to stand outside in 30 degree weather that long. The box office is inside the arena. No reason why they couldn't queue people up inside the concourse of the arena, especially once they started selling tix. But that's a fail on the arena, not the process the FF chose. As for seat quality, there are 7,200+ seats in the pavilion. There are 8 rows behind my seats with approximately 200 seats per row so that means that are at least 5600 people in front of me (+GA area). I doubt there were 1400 people in front of me in line buying 4 tickets each so that means seats were being held back for the next presale, public onsale or corporate seat holders. I think that's fail on the FF and their "beat the bots" bs if everyone standing in line did not get the absolute best seats available at the time of purchase. No thanks to this process, I'll take whatever 10 club dishes out.0
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I showed up to Deer Creek (or now Klipsch) in Noblesville, IN. at 8:15 this morning to get into line to get into the parking lot. I had planned getting coffee first, but didn't after seeing the line of cars, I said screw it I want close seats...
When I got there, there were 40-50 cars lined up. We waited until they opened the gates, drove into park, and then people ran to get into the ticket number line. Once we had that, we had another 45 minutes before the ticket windows opened. It took me 30-35 minutes once the ticket windows opened to grab lower level seats. The GA sold out fast and there were only about 300 GAs available anyway.
Overall, the process was good because of the no lottery piece for the venue. I'd definitely do it again. I met some cool people in line & they had live music. Having a lottery for a line up sucks, so I feel for anyone in line at venues that pull that crap.
But speaking of Beat the Bots, there were scalpers directing in front of me. They had a list of priorities, a stack of cash, and one told the other three what to buy as she handed out the cash. (I was annoyed, but whatever...)
If this kinda of thing happens again for a show I want to see, I'll show up earlier than I did today...
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