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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    This strikes me as a bad idea straight out of the Jurassic Park school of bad ideas.

    That said...it would be pretty freakin' amazing to see one of these creatures in real life.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Can't fuck with evolution, not smart as jimmy said.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    my thoughts are would it survive in a different climent and landscape ?

    Godfather.
  • BLACK35BLACK35 Posts: 22,754
    badbrains said:

    Can't fuck with evolution, not smart as jimmy said.

    agree 100%
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    BLACK35 said:

    badbrains said:

    Can't fuck with evolution, not smart as jimmy said.

    agree 100%
    Agreed as well, but don't we do this already?

    Capital punishment, abortion, poaching, trophy hunting, etc.

    (also, who the fuck would bestow the name "Buttercup" on a WOOLLY MAMMOTH?)

  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    How ironic. Human activity is acceleration species extinction at an unprecedented rate and certain scientists want to spend there time and our money bringing back one single species. What's wrong with this picture should be more than obvious.

    Facepalm.
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  • whispering handswhispering hands Posts: 13,527
    hedonist said:

    BLACK35 said:

    badbrains said:

    Can't fuck with evolution, not smart as jimmy said.

    agree 100%
    Agreed as well, but don't we do this already?

    Capital punishment, abortion, poaching, trophy hunting, etc.

    (also, who the fuck would bestow the name "Buttercup" on a WOOLLY MAMMOTH?)

    They nick named her that because it was a primary source of diet, which apparently they found amusing. But agree on just leaving it be.. There is no need for a Wooley Mamoth in our present day with the exception of some one getting to say they cloned one. Although us being humans, we'll find reasons to exploit it, just like we do with everything else.. But I have to wonder the same thing as GF, unless you let it live in darkest Siberia, would it survive even THAT climate change?? ( remember that at the time these things roamed the earth, it was three times colder than present day Siberia will EVER be while we are alive).
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    I am not completely against this. I am always a fan of pure science, experiments done for the sake of themselves and the hope that knowledge unforeseen will result. A ton of valuable information could be learned from this. I am not sure why folks are concerned about whether it could survive in today's climate, it isn't even relevant. The cloned creature will not be able to reproduce and reintroduction is not the goal anyways. It would be kept in a zoo facility and the likelihood that it would break free and terrorize Jeff Goldblum is pretty low lol
    The geneticists who would work on this project are specialized and wouldn't be able to help much with global warming or stopping the mass extinction anyways, so they might as well work on what they are passionate about, there is bound to be some positive repercussions in the field of genetics.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    rgambs said:

    I am not completely against this. I am always a fan of pure science, experiments done for the sake of themselves and the hope that knowledge unforeseen will result. A ton of valuable information could be learned from this. I am not sure why folks are concerned about whether it could survive in today's climate, it isn't even relevant. The cloned creature will not be able to reproduce and reintroduction is not the goal anyways. It would be kept in a zoo facility and the likelihood that it would break free and terrorize Jeff Goldblum is pretty low lol
    The geneticists who would work on this project are specialized and wouldn't be able to help much with global warming or stopping the mass extinction anyways, so they might as well work on what they are passionate about, there is bound to be some positive repercussions in the field of genetics.

    It may or may not, rgambs, that geneticists can do much to stop global warming but it could be argues that their work would be better spent helping find ways to deal with the inevitable changes in climate. Here are a few examples:

    http://www.livescience.com/42093-genetics-and-climate-adaptation.html
    http://www.psmag.com/environment/genetics-global-warming-68146/

    I will admit the prospect of bring back an extinct species has a degree of appeal to our curiosity and no doubt some of that research will go on no matter what I say... imagine that! The nerve! :)) But it seems like we have enough problems with protecting what would normally be the natural life span of extant species (including our own) in going through their natural cycles and I would imagine geneticists could do much to assist to that end.

    In any case, I do understand the intrigue with the woolly mammoth. No doubt we'll be seeing them offered at a Pet Smart near you one of these days. :-)

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    JimmyV said:

    This strikes me as a bad idea straight out of the Jurassic Park school of bad ideas.

    That said...it would be pretty freakin' amazing to see one of these creatures in real life.

    The park would have been fine if it wasn't for Newman fucking everything up.

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Plus, how are we supposed to know what a Woolly Mammoth burger tastes like if we don't clone them back into existence?
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Jason P said:

    Plus, how are we supposed to know what a Woolly Mammoth burger tastes like if we don't clone them back into existence?

    =))
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Posts: 10,219
    I hope it grows a badass cobra head due to some genetic abnormality and goes on a rampage!
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    WTF , we've wiped out thousands of species let's bring one back. And really like the fact that we are showing we are god.
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  • Guitar92playerGuitar92player Posts: 664
    Godfather. said:

    my thoughts are would it survive in a different climent and landscape ?

    Godfather.

    And this is what they really need to think about. However, this question, in my opinion, cannot fully be understood unless its done. It would be an interesting experiment to see if they adapt or die in a different climate and landscape. It could be like Jurassic Park and life "may find a way" or they can perish very quickly.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Guitar92player said:

    Godfather. said:

    my thoughts are would it survive in a different climent and landscape ?

    Godfather.

    And this is what they really need to think about. However, this question, in my opinion, cannot fully be understood unless its done. It would be an interesting experiment to see if they adapt or die in a different climate and landscape. It could be like Jurassic Park and life "may find a way" or they can perish very quickly.
    There is zero evidence of intention to reintroduce to the wild. There is only 1 and so there can be no reproduction. It would, however be valueable to study for many reasons...mainly it's genetic adaptations in the blood to the extreme cold it was able to survive.
    If you want to argue whether it is ethical to bring a creature to life only to study it in captivity, that is a conversation worth having for sure...but the idea that it couldnt survive in the wild or would have ecological consequences is irrelevant to the issue.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    Forget about bringing back the Wooly Mammoth- I say we bring back the Wooly Bully!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcguLZaMelE

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    brianlux said:

    Forget about bringing back the Wooly Mammoth- I say we bring back the Wooly Bully!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcguLZaMelE

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    Jason P said:

    brianlux said:

    Forget about bringing back the Wooly Mammoth- I say we bring back the Wooly Bully!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcguLZaMelE

    I don't approve of wearing Pharaoh-Face as a means to market music. RACIST!!!!

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,987
    Cloning is just wrong in my eyes. First off, nature ran its course on this particular mammal. Man had zero to do with its extinction. Second, cloning it for the purposes of research, also known as torture? Evil.
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  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,897
    paulonious said:

    Man had zero to do with its extinction...

    It's debated that man had everything to do with its extinction. The animal went through a sudden and severe population decline around the same time humans started inhabiting their environment.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,987
    mookeywrench said:

    paulonious said:

    Man had zero to do with its extinction...

    It's debated that man had everything to do with its extinction. The animal went through a sudden and severe population decline around the same time humans started inhabiting their environment.
    Allow me to rephrase/clarify; modern man's commercial and industrial interests had zero to do with its extinction (obviously). Meaning, if the issue was that it was over-hunted, to me that is another issue entirely. Nature causes extinctions all the time by all species to all species, be it through natural environmental changes, predation, etc.

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    paulonious said:

    Cloning is just wrong in my eyes. First off, nature ran its course on this particular mammal. Man had zero to do with its extinction. Second, cloning it for the purposes of research, also known as torture? Evil.

    I'm not sure that occasional blood draws and tissue samples is equal to torture.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,987
    rgambs said:

    paulonious said:

    Cloning is just wrong in my eyes. First off, nature ran its course on this particular mammal. Man had zero to do with its extinction. Second, cloning it for the purposes of research, also known as torture? Evil.

    I'm not sure that occasional blood draws and tissue samples is equal to torture.
    Imprisonment from birth to death is, in my opinion.

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    paulonious said:

    rgambs said:

    paulonious said:

    Cloning is just wrong in my eyes. First off, nature ran its course on this particular mammal. Man had zero to do with its extinction. Second, cloning it for the purposes of research, also known as torture? Evil.

    I'm not sure that occasional blood draws and tissue samples is equal to torture.
    Imprisonment from birth to death is, in my opinion.

    I don't fully agree or disagree. Being the only mammoth around would be pretty shitty but a nice stable environment free from predators and with ample, regular food is something short of torture to me. It depends on the psychology of the animal, captivity sucks but some fare well enough, while with other species it is akin to torture.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,987
    Any living creature that by nature roams the earth, in my opinion, would feel tortured not being able to do so.,
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,987
    And even if an animal felt perfectly fine in captivity, I still think cloning of anything is fucking with the natural order of things and unethical.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    paulonious said:

    And even if an animal felt perfectly fine in captivity, I still think cloning of anything is fucking with the natural order of things and unethical.

    I agree. It's another example of people fucking with natural cycles and balances and their illusions of grandeur and attempts to become self-appropriated gods. Delusional thinking at its worst.

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    paulonious said:

    Any living creature that by nature roams the earth, in my opinion, would feel tortured not being able to do so.,

    Do you feel tortured by the "civilized" way of life that you lead? Do you roam the Earth? It isn't necessarily so black and white as all that! We fuck with the natural order of things all the time. Every aspect of our lives is tied to the extraction, manipulation, and burning of carbon deposits that were buried naturally and unearthed unnaturally. We are chemically altering the atmosphere of our planet. Inoculation, artificial selection, robotics, alternate fertilization techniques...etc... Cloning just gets a bad reputation because it sounds so foreign and is the stuff of sci-fi legends, when we do crazier stuff regularly.
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