California C&C Gun Restrictions

Godfather.

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

lolobugg said:

CM189191 said:

lolobugg said:

btw: I was speaking of John Lennon. his murderer flew from Hawaii with a gun. and then down to Georgia to purchase hollow point bullets. the irony is that the city he was killed in has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. the fucker had to bring his murder weapons in from outside the state.

But if John Lennon was carrying a gun, he would have been able to defend himself, and wouldn't have been assassinated!!!

oh yeah... right!!
I forget about these things.
and he should've had a bulletproof vest on too. 8-}
NRA logic, man.... what a bunch of fucking bozos.

are you serious ! I don't think you forget much but you still have a lot to learn and experiance in life.


Godfather.

Please teach us oh wise one! What is it you're so afraid of, that you feel the necessity to carry a firearm in public?

if have to explain it you'd never understand it anyway.


Godfather.

rgambs

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

lolobugg said:

CM189191 said:

lolobugg said:

btw: I was speaking of John Lennon. his murderer flew from Hawaii with a gun. and then down to Georgia to purchase hollow point bullets. the irony is that the city he was killed in has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. the fucker had to bring his murder weapons in from outside the state.

But if John Lennon was carrying a gun, he would have been able to defend himself, and wouldn't have been assassinated!!!

oh yeah... right!!
I forget about these things.
and he should've had a bulletproof vest on too. 8-}
NRA logic, man.... what a bunch of fucking bozos.

are you serious ! I don't think you forget much but you still have a lot to learn and experiance in life.


Godfather.

Please teach us oh wise one! What is it you're so afraid of, that you feel the necessity to carry a firearm in public?

if have to explain it you'd never understand it anyway.


Godfather.

Hahaha what a crock of shit. That's what someone says when they can't explain something lol

Godfather.

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

lolobugg said:

CM189191 said:

lolobugg said:

btw: I was speaking of John Lennon. his murderer flew from Hawaii with a gun. and then down to Georgia to purchase hollow point bullets. the irony is that the city he was killed in has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. the fucker had to bring his murder weapons in from outside the state.

But if John Lennon was carrying a gun, he would have been able to defend himself, and wouldn't have been assassinated!!!

oh yeah... right!!
I forget about these things.
and he should've had a bulletproof vest on too. 8-}
NRA logic, man.... what a bunch of fucking bozos.

are you serious ! I don't think you forget much but you still have a lot to learn and experiance in life.


Godfather.

Please teach us oh wise one! What is it you're so afraid of, that you feel the necessity to carry a firearm in public?

if have to explain it you'd never understand it anyway.


Godfather.

Hahaha what a crock of shit. That's what someone says when they can't explain something lol

speaking of a crock of shit ...
enjoy your weekend.

Godfather.

CM189191

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

lolobugg said:

CM189191 said:

lolobugg said:

btw: I was speaking of John Lennon. his murderer flew from Hawaii with a gun. and then down to Georgia to purchase hollow point bullets. the irony is that the city he was killed in has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. the fucker had to bring his murder weapons in from outside the state.

But if John Lennon was carrying a gun, he would have been able to defend himself, and wouldn't have been assassinated!!!

oh yeah... right!!
I forget about these things.
and he should've had a bulletproof vest on too. 8-}
NRA logic, man.... what a bunch of fucking bozos.

are you serious ! I don't think you forget much but you still have a lot to learn and experiance in life.


Godfather.

Please teach us oh wise one! What is it you're so afraid of, that you feel the necessity to carry a firearm in public?

if have to explain it you'd never understand it anyway.


Godfather.

Aaahhh....the old "I need my gun because reasons!"

As near as I can tell, most of those reasons are based on irrational fear.

whispering hands

Irrational fears.. Ok. Yeah, after having your face smashed I to concrete repeatedly for the length of time it takes to pass out, over$20.00 and my house keys.. Then having that same fucking SON OF A BITCH break into my house and assault me even after changing all the locks, yeah that's so fucking irrational.. Seems you have no understanding if what it is like to be violated, and have to look over your shoulder at night. I don't think you have ANY idea what that feels like, because before that happened in OKC in 1998, I never carried a gun save for when I was out hunting with my dad and brother I was ON YOUR SIDE back then, back when I was naive and thought that people were worth trusting, and we're generally a decent species... AFTER that.. I bought a gun, and realized just how wrong I was about people, And NO ONE will ever do that again. So unless you have an idea what it is truly like to have your life threatened and to know the taste of true immobilizing fear? I think you have no rights whatsoever to decide what is and isn't rational. PERIOD!

brianlux

By the looks of it, (a few comments above whispering's) I can hear a lock rattling down the hallway any time now. :-)

Sorry to hear about all that shit happening to you whispering. That totally sucks.

whispering hands

I apologize for getting all worked up, but when someone has to call another person's ( regardless of the 'defender's' ideals or concerns )very well based concerns, an itrational fear to support their case, it pisses me off. I would never pray what happened to me on anyone, not do I expect everyone to know how that feels. But I do expect people to at least pretend to be intelligent in their presentation in a debate on something this serious ( gun control). Because it is not a laughing matter that ANYONE should HAVE to feel Like they need that for protection. Cause trust me, hand to hand, I don't NEED a gun, I'll fuck you up with my bare hands! But there is this new breed if enemy that is cowardly, and hides begind the barrels of their guns to get what they want. And you only defense nowadays, is to arm
Yourself. But don't just go rush out there and get a gun. Educate yourself, take classes on handling them, understanding the mechanics of their true purpose. Because if you don't learn what you're holding in your hand as a weapon, and you just go out there thinking, oh but I'm protecting myself.. Then you're just as bad as those criminals, and gansta wannabes with guns. They ARE NOT TOYS.. THEY ARE NOT COOL, NOR DO THEY MAKE YOU COOL. It is a weapon. An instrument of destruction. What you ultimately do with it, YOU and you alone are responsible for. I personally think you should have to pose a good reason for purchasing a gun. When I went to get mine? I brought the police reports with me, and my face still bore fresh wounds of being smashed.. It was obvious why I was there. They gave me self defense classes, and gun safety training, they taught me several different things, then asked if I still wanted to purchase the weapon. And that was OKLAHOMA! So unless you actually KNOW what you're talking about, please excuse yourself from the conversation.

Again this is only in remark towards MY OWN defense in claim to the need for carrying a weapon as form of protection.

brianlux

Hot topic here. Everybody... breathe!

whispering hands

I've said all I needed to say. I know where I stand, and why. I know my rights, and I also know when words are falling on deaf ears. So from here on out, I will leave you all your thread here. ( for my own good.. Besides, I really have nothing more to say on a constructive level). :-)

brianlux

whispering hands said:

I've said all I needed to say. I know where I stand, and why. I know my rights, and I also know when words are falling on deaf ears. So from here on out, I will leave you all your thread here. ( for my own good.. Besides, I really have nothing more to say on a constructive level). :-)

Shoot, I can't even remember who's thread it is anymore, LOL!

I think we all pretty much try to hear what others say even when our opinions differ. I hope so anyway. :-)

Smellyman

CM189191 said:

whispering hands said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

josevolution said:

The more the merrier right GF more guns more guns more guns makes for a safer nation no ?

Meanwhile, yesterday in California:

Homicide Detectives Searching for Clues After Teen Shot to Death in South L.A.

14-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOT, INJURED IN EL SERENO

Two men shot, one dead north of Fresno’s Roeding Park

...yup, definitely need more people carrying guns

Fresno.....or FRestucky as it is also known, if went to Frestucky I'd want a CC to protect myself from the freaks that seem to gather there, have you ever been to Fresno or Sacramento or east LA ? those place's are thick with gangbangers.

So c&c is only for good for privileged white folk? There's a portion of our population who is disproportionately prosecuted for crimes, disproportionately falls below the poverty line. They don't have the means to purchase an expensive firearm, or pass a background check. Can't you see how this might exacerbate the problem?

Perhaps the NRA should lobby the government to subsidize gun ownership programs for low-income, high-crime neighborhoods to show they're serious about the self-defense argument.

Godfather. said:

it's better to be armed and not need than to be unarmed and need it.

It's even better to be unarmed and not need it.

The problem is being unarmed and not needing it, Is never going to happen. These are criminals we're talking about, look at Cali.. Half that Godforsaken state is wannabe ganstas! Even the old seniors moved outta Hemet cause of em! It's an epidemic problem. 1. Guns are too easily obtained with recourse. This has to stop.. Buuuut.. It's not going to. 2. You don't hear of NEAR as many shootings here in Colorado, ( not saying it doesn't happen, but it's not daily news either).

Why is that?? Cause we get to carry our guns outside with our CCPs. And the dumb fuckas with unregistered guns all know that 80% of this state has guns too! It's not as easy here. Nearly everyone is armed, and you don't know, ( cause it's concealed), until you mess with the wrong grandma! There us reason in this " madness", and it cuts down on the really stupid crimes that happen all over except the right to bear arms states. Honestly, I didn't know what to think when I first moved here, cause I've been raised around arms all my life, and we always were taught, NOT to carry them around, now we can under this special permit??? However.. The rigors to GETTING this permit are highly set bars of accomplishment requiring several classes and other frets plus federal background and criminal backgrounds. So.. If you knew that 80% of the population was carrying, would you randomly fuck with people??

Colorado actually has a higher gun death rate than California, according to a recent Violence Policy Center (VPC) analysis of new data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control.

The study goes on to say, states with the lowest overall gun death rates have lower rates of gun ownership and some of the strongest gun violence prevention laws in the nation.

Furthermore, America’s gun death rates (10.38 per 100,000) dwarf those of most other Western industrialized nations. The gun death rate in the United Kingdom in 2011 was 0.23 per 100,000 while in Australia it was 0.86 per 100,000.

States with “strong” gun violence prevention laws were defined as those that add significant state regulation that is absent from federal law, such as restricting access to particularly hazardous and deadly types of firearms (for example, assault weapons), setting minimum safety standards for firearms and/or requiring a permit to purchase a firearm, and restricting the open and concealed carrying of firearms in public.

In conclusion, “Gun violence is preventable, and states can pass effective laws that will dramatically reduce gun death and injury,” states VPC Executive Director Josh Sugarmann. “Our analysis also shows that states with weak gun violence prevention laws and easy access to guns pay a severe price with gun death rates far above the national average.”

Last places i have lived.

.03 gun deaths/100,000 in Hong Kong!!!

.87 Taiwan.

Love it.

'Murica!!

CM189191

whispering hands said:

words are falling on deaf ears

When I say irrational, I mean: Having your life ruled by emotions such as fear, rather than logic and reason.

Total gun deaths in 2014: 10,870
Total gun injuries in 2014: 19,631
Number of times guns used in self defense in 2014: 1,357

You are 22 times more likely to be shot and/or killed by a gun, than actually 'standing your ground' or 'defending your castle'.

Countries with more guns per capita have more gun deaths and gun violence.
States with looser gun laws (like c&c) have more gun deaths and gun violence.
An increase in guns per capita is not correlated with a reduction in home break-ins, robberies, or other violent crimes.
These are indisputable facts.

So while having a gun may make you FEEL safer; EVERY gun manufactured, sold and carried (responsibly or otherwise) only makes these numbers WORSE. While what happened to you is truly unfortunate; in all reality, you are really just lucky that son-of-a-bitch didn't have a gun, and you lived to tell your story.

Godfather.

whispering hands said:

I've said all I needed to say. I know where I stand, and why. I know my rights, and I also know when words are falling on deaf ears. So from here on out, I will leave you all your thread here. ( for my own good.. Besides, I really have nothing more to say on a constructive level). :-)

I'm in your corner if it matters, most people are happy in a make believe world......until it turns around on them and then some hide and some stand up and I'm glad you decided to stand up ! I hope you had a great weekend !

Godfather.

Godfather.

"When I say irrational, I mean: Having your life ruled by emotions such as fear, rather than logic and reason." your logic and reason is not the same as mine....by yours you are allowing the death of an innocent victim so that your ideas of gun control can be up held.....not in my house, but your ideas will not happen anyway and why do you think that is ?



Godfather.

Godfather.

and ......have you ever thought that if more people were armed these numbers would change for the better ?

Total gun deaths in 2014: 10,870
Total gun injuries in 2014: 19,631
Number of times guns used in self defense in 2014: 1,357

go ahead ...run the internet til you find some numbers that fit your ideas.


Godfather.

benjs

Godfather. said:

whispering hands said:

I've said all I needed to say. I know where I stand, and why. I know my rights, and I also know when words are falling on deaf ears. So from here on out, I will leave you all your thread here. ( for my own good.. Besides, I really have nothing more to say on a constructive level). :-)

I'm in your corner if it matters, most people are happy in a make believe world......until it turns around on them and then some hide and some stand up and I'm glad you decided to stand up ! I hope you had a great weekend !

Godfather.

Happy in a make-believe world?

Someone in this very page alluded to the fact that guns cost lives, and not save them. They backed it up with statistics. Those on here who are in favour of guns, alternatively, utilize case-by-case situations to prove their point. Whispering Hands, and those of you with real-life experience being wronged by human beings, I'm sorry to hear that these things happened to you, and I understand why you feel the way you do about guns.

With all due respect, we're all fighting for the same team: the one where we try to protect life to the best of our abilities. We are looking to statistics to confirm or refute the notion that guns cost, and not save lives. The cold, emotionally-detached numbers show that more guns = more gun deaths: not less. Godfather and others, combat statistics with statistics, or find the flaws in the statistics themselves. When a sample size is hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions large - your case-by-case rebuttals are not how you're going to sway popular opinion, and saying "If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand anyways" is nothing more than empty deflection.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Did you know that 67% of statistics are made up?

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

whispering hands said:

I've said all I needed to say. I know where I stand, and why. I know my rights, and I also know when words are falling on deaf ears. So from here on out, I will leave you all your thread here. ( for my own good.. Besides, I really have nothing more to say on a constructive level). :-)

I'm in your corner if it matters, most people are happy in a make believe world......until it turns around on them and then some hide and some stand up and I'm glad you decided to stand up ! I hope you had a great weekend !

Godfather.

Happy in a make-believe world?

Someone in this very page alluded to the fact that guns cost lives, and not save them. They backed it up with statistics. Those on here who are in favour of guns, alternatively, utilize case-by-case situations to prove their point. Whispering Hands, and those of you with real-life experience being wronged by human beings, I'm sorry to hear that these things happened to you, and I understand why you feel the way you do about guns.

With all due respect, we're all fighting for the same team: the one where we try to protect life to the best of our abilities. We are looking to statistics to confirm or refute the notion that guns cost, and not save lives. The cold, emotionally-detached numbers show that more guns = more gun deaths: not less. Godfather and others, combat statistics with statistics, or find the flaws in the statistics themselves. When a sample size is hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions large - your case-by-case rebuttals are not how you're going to sway popular opinion, and saying "If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand anyways" is nothing more than empty deflection.

Did you know that 67% of statistics are made up?

benjs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Did you know that 67% of statistics are made up?

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

whispering hands said:

I've said all I needed to say. I know where I stand, and why. I know my rights, and I also know when words are falling on deaf ears. So from here on out, I will leave you all your thread here. ( for my own good.. Besides, I really have nothing more to say on a constructive level). :-)

I'm in your corner if it matters, most people are happy in a make believe world......until it turns around on them and then some hide and some stand up and I'm glad you decided to stand up ! I hope you had a great weekend !

Godfather.

Happy in a make-believe world?

Someone in this very page alluded to the fact that guns cost lives, and not save them. They backed it up with statistics. Those on here who are in favour of guns, alternatively, utilize case-by-case situations to prove their point. Whispering Hands, and those of you with real-life experience being wronged by human beings, I'm sorry to hear that these things happened to you, and I understand why you feel the way you do about guns.

With all due respect, we're all fighting for the same team: the one where we try to protect life to the best of our abilities. We are looking to statistics to confirm or refute the notion that guns cost, and not save lives. The cold, emotionally-detached numbers show that more guns = more gun deaths: not less. Godfather and others, combat statistics with statistics, or find the flaws in the statistics themselves. When a sample size is hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions large - your case-by-case rebuttals are not how you're going to sway popular opinion, and saying "If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand anyways" is nothing more than empty deflection.

Did you know that 67% of statistics are made up?

Which is why I encouraged Godfather to find the flaws in them to best present his perspective.

CM189191

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Did you know that 67% of statistics are made up?

Duh...14% percent of all people know that!

And while we're at it...

CM189191

Godfather. said:

"When I say irrational, I mean: Having your life ruled by emotions such as fear, rather than logic and reason." your logic and reason is not the same as mine....by yours you are allowing the death of an innocent victim so that your ideas of gun control can be up held.....not in my house, but your ideas will not happen anyway and why do you think that is ?

What innocent victims might look like:

CM189191 said:

Homicide Detectives Searching for Clues After Teen Shot to Death in South L.A.

14-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOT, INJURED IN EL SERENO

Two men shot, one dead north of Fresno’s Roeding Park