California C&C Gun Restrictions

Godfather.

thought you all might find this interesting.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/12/new-court-decision-likely-ends-california-restrictions-on-conceal-carry-permits/

Godfather.

josevolution

Glad it's in California ....

Godfather.

"Some sheriffs are probably going to see this news as evidence their policies are wrong," he said. "But sheriffs and police chiefs in anti-gun jurisdictions may need more help seeing the light. We'll be happy to help them, even if it means going to the Supreme Court.

is this really happening ?????? I think I may cry........NAHHHHHHHHH
WOW ! the times they are a changing, that's one for the good guy's

Godfather.

josevolution

The more the merrier right GF more guns more guns more guns makes for a safer nation no ?

hedonist

I don't think it equals more guns per se, but more about removing the need to justify why one wants to CC (which I can't quite figure out how this would benefit anyone; it can't be that burdensome to explain why I'd make such a request...I mean, "for the hell of it" shouldn't cut it).

josevolution

I know just messing with GF , i'm an old hippie only peace pipes for me

CM189191

josevolution said:

The more the merrier right GF more guns more guns more guns makes for a safer nation no ?

Meanwhile, yesterday in California:

Homicide Detectives Searching for Clues After Teen Shot to Death in South L.A.

14-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOT, INJURED IN EL SERENO

Two men shot, one dead north of Fresno’s Roeding Park

...yup, definitely need more people carrying guns

usamamasan1

WOOT!

Stickman12

be interested to see what comes out of this. I personally dont agree with California's gun laws...but I dont live in California.

hedonist

ejleonjr said:

be interested to see what comes out of this. I personally dont agree with California's gun laws...but I dont live in California.

This could take road rage here to a new level (although it's already pretty bad/sad).

tempo_n_groove

CM189191 said:

josevolution said:

The more the merrier right GF more guns more guns more guns makes for a safer nation no ?

Meanwhile, yesterday in California:

Homicide Detectives Searching for Clues After Teen Shot to Death in South L.A.

14-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOT, INJURED IN EL SERENO

Two men shot, one dead north of Fresno’s Roeding Park

...yup, definitely need more people carrying guns

Absolutely has nothing to do with a conceal and carry law...

Godfather.

CM189191 said:

josevolution said:

The more the merrier right GF more guns more guns more guns makes for a safer nation no ?

Meanwhile, yesterday in California:

Homicide Detectives Searching for Clues After Teen Shot to Death in South L.A.

14-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOT, INJURED IN EL SERENO

Two men shot, one dead north of Fresno’s Roeding Park

...yup, definitely need more people carrying guns

Fresno.....or FRestucky as it is also known, if went to Frestucky I'd want a CC to protect myself from the freaks that seem to gather there, have you ever been to Fresno or Sacramento or east LA ? those place's are thick with gangbangers.

it's better to be armed and not need than to be unarmed and need it.


Godfather.

Godfather.

josevolution said:

I know just messing with GF , i'm an old hippie only peace pipes for me

and I respect your views and choices my friend...you old hippie you ! :-c

Godfather.

Godfather.

josevolution said:

Glad it's in California ....

California(maybe), Arizona, Texas so why do you think some states allow C & C ? and to be honest with you I am amazed that this is even being concidered in Cali but I also think it's about time, my brother n law was robbed right outside a bank after cashing his check,my uncle and his family were forced to the side of the road in long beach at about midnight by three cars and one of the drivers got out and said all I want is your girl(wife)but what they didn't count on was that he was a off duty officer with a gun and they ran so fast back to thier cars I don't think they had time to clean thier shorts out.

Godfather.

CM189191

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

josevolution said:

The more the merrier right GF more guns more guns more guns makes for a safer nation no ?

Meanwhile, yesterday in California:

Homicide Detectives Searching for Clues After Teen Shot to Death in South L.A.

14-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOT, INJURED IN EL SERENO

Two men shot, one dead north of Fresno’s Roeding Park

...yup, definitely need more people carrying guns

Absolutely has nothing to do with a conceal and carry law...

How so? In each of those examples, the person was carrying a concealed weapon (albeit, illegally). End c&c restrictions, and these incidents will inevitably increase in frequency & severity.

CM189191

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

josevolution said:

The more the merrier right GF more guns more guns more guns makes for a safer nation no ?

Meanwhile, yesterday in California:

Homicide Detectives Searching for Clues After Teen Shot to Death in South L.A.

14-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOT, INJURED IN EL SERENO

Two men shot, one dead north of Fresno’s Roeding Park

...yup, definitely need more people carrying guns

Fresno.....or FRestucky as it is also known, if went to Frestucky I'd want a CC to protect myself from the freaks that seem to gather there, have you ever been to Fresno or Sacramento or east LA ? those place's are thick with gangbangers.

So c&c is only for good for privileged white folk? There's a portion of our population who is disproportionately prosecuted for crimes, disproportionately falls below the poverty line. They don't have the means to purchase an expensive firearm, or pass a background check. Can't you see how this might exacerbate the problem?

Perhaps the NRA should lobby the government to subsidize gun ownership programs for low-income, high-crime neighborhoods to show they're serious about the self-defense argument.

Godfather. said:

it's better to be armed and not need than to be unarmed and need it.

It's even better to be unarmed and not need it.

whispering hands

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

josevolution said:

The more the merrier right GF more guns more guns more guns makes for a safer nation no ?

Meanwhile, yesterday in California:

Homicide Detectives Searching for Clues After Teen Shot to Death in South L.A.

14-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOT, INJURED IN EL SERENO

Two men shot, one dead north of Fresno’s Roeding Park

...yup, definitely need more people carrying guns

Fresno.....or FRestucky as it is also known, if went to Frestucky I'd want a CC to protect myself from the freaks that seem to gather there, have you ever been to Fresno or Sacramento or east LA ? those place's are thick with gangbangers.

So c&c is only for good for privileged white folk? There's a portion of our population who is disproportionately prosecuted for crimes, disproportionately falls below the poverty line. They don't have the means to purchase an expensive firearm, or pass a background check. Can't you see how this might exacerbate the problem?

Perhaps the NRA should lobby the government to subsidize gun ownership programs for low-income, high-crime neighborhoods to show they're serious about the self-defense argument.

Godfather. said:

it's better to be armed and not need than to be unarmed and need it.

It's even better to be unarmed and not need it.

The problem is being unarmed and not needing it, Is never going to happen. These are criminals we're talking about, look at Cali.. Half that Godforsaken state is wannabe ganstas! Even the old seniors moved outta Hemet cause of em! It's an epidemic problem. 1. Guns are too easily obtained with recourse. This has to stop.. Buuuut.. It's not going to. 2. You don't hear of NEAR as many shootings here in Colorado, ( not saying it doesn't happen, but it's not daily news either).

Why is that?? Cause we get to carry our guns outside with our CCPs. And the dumb fuckas with unregistered guns all know that 80% of this state has guns too! It's not as easy here. Nearly everyone is armed, and you don't know, ( cause it's concealed), until you mess with the wrong grandma! There us reason in this " madness", and it cuts down on the really stupid crimes that happen all over except the right to bear arms states. Honestly, I didn't know what to think when I first moved here, cause I've been raised around arms all my life, and we always were taught, NOT to carry them around, now we can under this special permit??? However.. The rigors to GETTING this permit are highly set bars of accomplishment requiring several classes and other frets plus federal background and criminal backgrounds. So.. If you knew that 80% of the population was carrying, would you randomly fuck with people??

CM189191

whispering hands said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

josevolution said:

The more the merrier right GF more guns more guns more guns makes for a safer nation no ?

Meanwhile, yesterday in California:

Homicide Detectives Searching for Clues After Teen Shot to Death in South L.A.

14-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOT, INJURED IN EL SERENO

Two men shot, one dead north of Fresno’s Roeding Park

...yup, definitely need more people carrying guns

Fresno.....or FRestucky as it is also known, if went to Frestucky I'd want a CC to protect myself from the freaks that seem to gather there, have you ever been to Fresno or Sacramento or east LA ? those place's are thick with gangbangers.

So c&c is only for good for privileged white folk? There's a portion of our population who is disproportionately prosecuted for crimes, disproportionately falls below the poverty line. They don't have the means to purchase an expensive firearm, or pass a background check. Can't you see how this might exacerbate the problem?

Perhaps the NRA should lobby the government to subsidize gun ownership programs for low-income, high-crime neighborhoods to show they're serious about the self-defense argument.

Godfather. said:

it's better to be armed and not need than to be unarmed and need it.

It's even better to be unarmed and not need it.

The problem is being unarmed and not needing it, Is never going to happen. These are criminals we're talking about, look at Cali.. Half that Godforsaken state is wannabe ganstas! Even the old seniors moved outta Hemet cause of em! It's an epidemic problem. 1. Guns are too easily obtained with recourse. This has to stop.. Buuuut.. It's not going to. 2. You don't hear of NEAR as many shootings here in Colorado, ( not saying it doesn't happen, but it's not daily news either).

Why is that?? Cause we get to carry our guns outside with our CCPs. And the dumb fuckas with unregistered guns all know that 80% of this state has guns too! It's not as easy here. Nearly everyone is armed, and you don't know, ( cause it's concealed), until you mess with the wrong grandma! There us reason in this " madness", and it cuts down on the really stupid crimes that happen all over except the right to bear arms states. Honestly, I didn't know what to think when I first moved here, cause I've been raised around arms all my life, and we always were taught, NOT to carry them around, now we can under this special permit??? However.. The rigors to GETTING this permit are highly set bars of accomplishment requiring several classes and other frets plus federal background and criminal backgrounds. So.. If you knew that 80% of the population was carrying, would you randomly fuck with people??

Colorado actually has a higher gun death rate than California, according to a recent Violence Policy Center (VPC) analysis of new data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control.

The study goes on to say, states with the lowest overall gun death rates have lower rates of gun ownership and some of the strongest gun violence prevention laws in the nation.

Furthermore, America’s gun death rates (10.38 per 100,000) dwarf those of most other Western industrialized nations. The gun death rate in the United Kingdom in 2011 was 0.23 per 100,000 while in Australia it was 0.86 per 100,000.

States with “strong” gun violence prevention laws were defined as those that add significant state regulation that is absent from federal law, such as restricting access to particularly hazardous and deadly types of firearms (for example, assault weapons), setting minimum safety standards for firearms and/or requiring a permit to purchase a firearm, and restricting the open and concealed carrying of firearms in public.

In conclusion, “Gun violence is preventable, and states can pass effective laws that will dramatically reduce gun death and injury,” states VPC Executive Director Josh Sugarmann. “Our analysis also shows that states with weak gun violence prevention laws and easy access to guns pay a severe price with gun death rates far above the national average.”

Godfather.

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

josevolution said:

The more the merrier right GF more guns more guns more guns makes for a safer nation no ?

Meanwhile, yesterday in California:

Homicide Detectives Searching for Clues After Teen Shot to Death in South L.A.

14-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOT, INJURED IN EL SERENO

Two men shot, one dead north of Fresno’s Roeding Park

...yup, definitely need more people carrying guns

Fresno.....or FRestucky as it is also known, if went to Frestucky I'd want a CC to protect myself from the freaks that seem to gather there, have you ever been to Fresno or Sacramento or east LA ? those place's are thick with gangbangers.

So c&c is only for good for privileged white folk? There's a portion of our population who is disproportionately prosecuted for crimes, disproportionately falls below the poverty line. They don't have the means to purchase an expensive firearm, or pass a background check. Can't you see how this might exacerbate the problem?

Perhaps the NRA should lobby the government to subsidize gun ownership programs for low-income, high-crime neighborhoods to show they're serious about the self-defense argument.

Godfather. said:

it's better to be armed and not need than to be unarmed and need it.

It's even better to be unarmed and not need it.

you said;"So c&c is only for good for privileged white folk?".........really ? so your saying that " privileged white folk " don't run in gangs or do crimes ? and basically that minorities are the ones doing crimes and gangs ? and please tell me what privileged white folk means to you. )

Godfather.

josevolution

Godfather. said:

josevolution said:

I know just messing with GF , i'm an old hippie only peace pipes for me

and I respect your views and choices my friend...you old hippie you ! :-c

Godfather.

As i respect yours that's the way it should be >-

whispering hands

CM189191 said:

whispering hands said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

josevolution said:

The more the merrier right GF more guns more guns more guns makes for a safer nation no ?

Meanwhile, yesterday in California:

Homicide Detectives Searching for Clues After Teen Shot to Death in South L.A.

14-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOT, INJURED IN EL SERENO

Two men shot, one dead north of Fresno’s Roeding Park

...yup, definitely need more people carrying guns

Fresno.....or FRestucky as it is also known, if went to Frestucky I'd want a CC to protect myself from the freaks that seem to gather there, have you ever been to Fresno or Sacramento or east LA ? those place's are thick with gangbangers.

So c&c is only for good for privileged white folk? There's a portion of our population who is disproportionately prosecuted for crimes, disproportionately falls below the poverty line. They don't have the means to purchase an expensive firearm, or pass a background check. Can't you see how this might exacerbate the problem?

Perhaps the NRA should lobby the government to subsidize gun ownership programs for low-income, high-crime neighborhoods to show they're serious about the self-defense argument.

Godfather. said:

it's better to be armed and not need than to be unarmed and need it.

It's even better to be unarmed and not need it.

The problem is being unarmed and not needing it, Is never going to happen. These are criminals we're talking about, look at Cali.. Half that Godforsaken state is wannabe ganstas! Even the old seniors moved outta Hemet cause of em! It's an epidemic problem. 1. Guns are too easily obtained with recourse. This has to stop.. Buuuut.. It's not going to. 2. You don't hear of NEAR as many shootings here in Colorado, ( not saying it doesn't happen, but it's not daily news either).

Why is that?? Cause we get to carry our guns outside with our CCPs. And the dumb fuckas with unregistered guns all know that 80% of this state has guns too! It's not as easy here. Nearly everyone is armed, and you don't know, ( cause it's concealed), until you mess with the wrong grandma! There us reason in this " madness", and it cuts down on the really stupid crimes that happen all over except the right to bear arms states. Honestly, I didn't know what to think when I first moved here, cause I've been raised around arms all my life, and we always were taught, NOT to carry them around, now we can under this special permit??? However.. The rigors to GETTING this permit are highly set bars of accomplishment requiring several classes and other frets plus federal background and criminal backgrounds. So.. If you knew that 80% of the population was carrying, would you randomly fuck with people??

Colorado actually has a higher gun death rate than California, according to a recent Violence Policy Center (VPC) analysis of new data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control.

The study goes on to say, states with the lowest overall gun death rates have lower rates of gun ownership and some of the strongest gun violence prevention laws in the nation.

Furthermore, America’s gun death rates (10.38 per 100,000) dwarf those of most other Western industrialized nations. The gun death rate in the United Kingdom in 2011 was 0.23 per 100,000 while in Australia it was 0.86 per 100,000.

States with “strong” gun violence prevention laws were defined as those that add significant state regulation that is absent from federal law, such as restricting access to particularly hazardous and deadly types of firearms (for example, assault weapons), setting minimum safety standards for firearms and/or requiring a permit to purchase a firearm, and restricting the open and concealed carrying of firearms in public.

In conclusion, “Gun violence is preventable, and states can pass effective laws that will dramatically reduce gun death and injury,” states VPC Executive Director Josh Sugarmann. “Our analysis also shows that states with weak gun violence prevention laws and easy access to guns pay a severe price with gun death rates far above the national average.”

Still I'd much rather have a gun too knowing that there are those out there with them., that intend me or my family harm for gain of resource or pleasure.

CM189191

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

josevolution said:

The more the merrier right GF more guns more guns more guns makes for a safer nation no ?

Meanwhile, yesterday in California:

Homicide Detectives Searching for Clues After Teen Shot to Death in South L.A.

14-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOT, INJURED IN EL SERENO

Two men shot, one dead north of Fresno’s Roeding Park

...yup, definitely need more people carrying guns

Fresno.....or FRestucky as it is also known, if went to Frestucky I'd want a CC to protect myself from the freaks that seem to gather there, have you ever been to Fresno or Sacramento or east LA ? those place's are thick with gangbangers.

So c&c is only for good for privileged white folk? There's a portion of our population who is disproportionately prosecuted for crimes, disproportionately falls below the poverty line. They don't have the means to purchase an expensive firearm, or pass a background check. Can't you see how this might exacerbate the problem?

Perhaps the NRA should lobby the government to subsidize gun ownership programs for low-income, high-crime neighborhoods to show they're serious about the self-defense argument.

Godfather. said:

it's better to be armed and not need than to be unarmed and need it.

It's even better to be unarmed and not need it.

you said;"So c&c is only for good for privileged white folk?".........really ? so your saying that " privileged white folk " don't run in gangs or do crimes ? and basically that minorities are the ones doing crimes and gangs ? and please tell me what privileged white folk means to you. )

Godfather.

What privileged white folk look like:


What disproportionate enforcement looks like:
"Last year, 47.3 percent of those convicted for federal gun crimes were black — a racial disparity larger than any other class of federal crimes, including drug crimes. In a 2011 report on mandatory minimum sentencing for gun crimes, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that blacks were far more likely to be charged and convicted of federal gun crimes that carry mandatory minimum sentences. They were also more likely to be hit with “enhancement” penalties that added to their sentences. In fact, the racial discrepancy for mandatory minimums was even higher than the aforementioned disparity for federal gun crimes in general."

Godfather.

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

josevolution said:

The more the merrier right GF more guns more guns more guns makes for a safer nation no ?

Meanwhile, yesterday in California:

Homicide Detectives Searching for Clues After Teen Shot to Death in South L.A.

14-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOT, INJURED IN EL SERENO

Two men shot, one dead north of Fresno’s Roeding Park

...yup, definitely need more people carrying guns

Fresno.....or FRestucky as it is also known, if went to Frestucky I'd want a CC to protect myself from the freaks that seem to gather there, have you ever been to Fresno or Sacramento or east LA ? those place's are thick with gangbangers.

So c&c is only for good for privileged white folk? There's a portion of our population who is disproportionately prosecuted for crimes, disproportionately falls below the poverty line. They don't have the means to purchase an expensive firearm, or pass a background check. Can't you see how this might exacerbate the problem?

Perhaps the NRA should lobby the government to subsidize gun ownership programs for low-income, high-crime neighborhoods to show they're serious about the self-defense argument.

Godfather. said:

it's better to be armed and not need than to be unarmed and need it.

It's even better to be unarmed and not need it.

you said;"So c&c is only for good for privileged white folk?".........really ? so your saying that " privileged white folk " don't run in gangs or do crimes ? and basically that minorities are the ones doing crimes and gangs ? and please tell me what privileged white folk means to you. )

Godfather.

What privileged white folk look like:


What disproportionate enforcement looks like:
"Last year, 47.3 percent of those convicted for federal gun crimes were black — a racial disparity larger than any other class of federal crimes, including drug crimes. In a 2011 report on mandatory minimum sentencing for gun crimes, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that blacks were far more likely to be charged and convicted of federal gun crimes that carry mandatory minimum sentences. They were also more likely to be hit with “enhancement” penalties that added to their sentences. In fact, the racial discrepancy for mandatory minimums was even higher than the aforementioned disparity for federal gun crimes in general."

got it ! privileged white folks don't do as many crimes as african american's or other races so there for it is o.k for the privileged white folks to C& C.......just what we need, someone to bring race into a C & C topic...great job !

Godfather.

lolobugg

The only practical use for a handgun is to inflict harm or murder a human.
all concealable weapons should be banned.
they should make it automatic life sentence if you are caught with one.
that would stop all this bullshit.
there is my pipe dream for the day.

lolobugg.

CM189191

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

josevolution said:

The more the merrier right GF more guns more guns more guns makes for a safer nation no ?

Meanwhile, yesterday in California:

Homicide Detectives Searching for Clues After Teen Shot to Death in South L.A.

14-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOT, INJURED IN EL SERENO

Two men shot, one dead north of Fresno’s Roeding Park

...yup, definitely need more people carrying guns

Fresno.....or FRestucky as it is also known, if went to Frestucky I'd want a CC to protect myself from the freaks that seem to gather there, have you ever been to Fresno or Sacramento or east LA ? those place's are thick with gangbangers.

So c&c is only for good for privileged white folk? There's a portion of our population who is disproportionately prosecuted for crimes, disproportionately falls below the poverty line. They don't have the means to purchase an expensive firearm, or pass a background check. Can't you see how this might exacerbate the problem?

Perhaps the NRA should lobby the government to subsidize gun ownership programs for low-income, high-crime neighborhoods to show they're serious about the self-defense argument.

Godfather. said:

it's better to be armed and not need than to be unarmed and need it.

It's even better to be unarmed and not need it.

you said;"So c&c is only for good for privileged white folk?".........really ? so your saying that " privileged white folk " don't run in gangs or do crimes ? and basically that minorities are the ones doing crimes and gangs ? and please tell me what privileged white folk means to you. )

Godfather.

What privileged white folk look like:


What disproportionate enforcement looks like:
"Last year, 47.3 percent of those convicted for federal gun crimes were black — a racial disparity larger than any other class of federal crimes, including drug crimes. In a 2011 report on mandatory minimum sentencing for gun crimes, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that blacks were far more likely to be charged and convicted of federal gun crimes that carry mandatory minimum sentences. They were also more likely to be hit with “enhancement” penalties that added to their sentences. In fact, the racial discrepancy for mandatory minimums was even higher than the aforementioned disparity for federal gun crimes in general."

got it ! privileged white folks don't do as many crimes as african american's or other races so there for it is o.k for the privileged white folks to C& C.......just what we need, someone to bring race into a C & C topic...great job !

Godfather.

whispering hands

lolobugg said:

The only practical use for a handgun is to inflict harm or murder a human.
all concealable weapons should be banned.
they should make it automatic life sentence if you are caught with one.
that would stop all this bullshit.
there is my pipe dream for the day.

lolobugg.

So all police officers should be in prison?? Not to be silly, but but you can leave a gun to it's own and it's a lazy SOB.. It won't kill anyone. However, enter un-educated ( in the proper use and handling of a gun) humans.. And video game,television/Hollywood influence and that is where murder occurs. I was raised around guns all my life, and my family, from Grandparents through to older cousins etc, all made it perfectly clear that it was not a toy, it was a very serious and powerful weapon. Along that same sentiment of your statement. No one should be allowed to drive vehicles, right? They can be used for murder too. ( stretch example, but just as ludicrous as saying the only purpose for a hand gun is murder). My .38 I keep as protection from the idiots out there that are out to maime and destroy human life cause they think having a gun is cool. I wish it didn't have to be this way. BUT it IS my constitutional right to bear arms, and you better believe I'll use it if I am TRULY threatened. In other words I'm not an idiot, pulling out my weapon every time some one hurts my feelings or makes me mad, ( then I just throw wrenches!lol). However, if you make a verbal threat that can be deadly on nature, and I honestly believe you to be intending me harm, or you make a physical attempt on harming me?? You better hope you can outrun a bullet, because I will shoot you! But only if you are threatening my LIFE in any way. Other than that? You have no worries, unless you're an Elk, a bear, a deer, a Turkey ( the gobble gobble kind, not the goofball kind), a Quail, or a Duck; then you're dinner.

I DO however agree that it should not be so easy for just ANYONE to get a hand gun. Let alone a rifle for that matter. I wish people that HAVE guns were more astute to their responsibility to the community around them, and to their families. ( I.e. Keeping guns dry locked- unloaded and locked away when not in use). But instead, we are where we are, which is why if what you propose came into law, I'd gladly serve my time. Not because I was guilty, but because I was raised to respect the law no matter how stupid it is..

lolobugg

whispering hands said:

lolobugg said:

The only practical use for a handgun is to inflict harm or murder a human.
all concealable weapons should be banned.
they should make it automatic life sentence if you are caught with one.
that would stop all this bullshit.
there is my pipe dream for the day.

lolobugg.

So all police officers should be in prison?? Not to be silly, but but you can leave a gun to it's own and it's a lazy SOB.. It won't kill anyone. However, enter un-educated ( in the proper use and handling of a gun) humans.. And video game,television/Hollywood influence and that is where murder occurs. I was raised around guns all my life, and my family, from Grandparents through to older cousins etc, all made it perfectly clear that it was not a toy, it was a very serious and powerful weapon. Along that same sentiment of your statement. No one should be allowed to drive vehicles, right? They can be used for murder too. ( stretch example, but just as ludicrous as saying the only purpose for a hand gun is murder). My .38 I keep as protection from the idiots out there that are out to maime and destroy human life cause they think having a gun is cool. I wish it didn't have to be this way. BUT it IS my constitutional right to bear arms, and you better believe I'll use it if I am TRULY threatened. In other words I'm not an idiot, pulling out my weapon every time some one hurts my feelings or makes me mad, ( then I just throw wrenches!lol). However, if you make a verbal threat that can be deadly on nature, and I honestly believe you to be intending me harm, or you make a physical attempt on harming me?? You better hope you can outrun a bullet, because I will shoot you! But only if you are threatening my LIFE in any way. Other than that? You have no worries, unless you're an Elk, a bear, a deer, a Turkey ( the gobble gobble kind, not the goofball kind), a Quail, or a Duck; then you're dinner.

I DO however agree that it should not be so easy for just ANYONE to get a hand gun. Let alone a rifle for that matter. I wish people that HAVE guns were more astute to their responsibility to the community around them, and to their families. ( I.e. Keeping guns dry locked- unloaded and locked away when not in use). But instead, we are where we are, which is why if what you propose came into law, I'd gladly serve my time. Not because I was guilty, but because I was raised to respect the law no matter how stupid it is..

I have no problems with people hunting animals if that's their thing.
you can do that with a rifle or shotgun.
I am not proposing banning all guns.
my point is that a concealable weapon has one purpose- to kill humans.
why would an animal care or even know the difference???
the problem with your logic is everyone has a different "standard" of proposed threat as we have seen in the recent high profile cases. you leave it up to the individual to determine if they are threatened and more times than not someone ends up dead. yeah, you can prosecute the person who killed them but it is too late for the dead person.

I am a little passionate about this subject because my hero was gunned down from behind by some coward with a handgun and hollow point bullets.
pretty sure that if the bastard was standing on the curb with a shotgun or rifle then it would have been a little more obvious his intent.

whispering hands

lolobugg said:

whispering hands said:

lolobugg said:

The only practical use for a handgun is to inflict harm or murder a human.
all concealable weapons should be banned.
they should make it automatic life sentence if you are caught with one.
that would stop all this bullshit.
there is my pipe dream for the day.

lolobugg.

So all police officers should be in prison?? Not to be silly, but but you can leave a gun to it's own and it's a lazy SOB.. It won't kill anyone. However, enter un-educated ( in the proper use and handling of a gun) humans.. And video game,television/Hollywood influence and that is where murder occurs. I was raised around guns all my life, and my family, from Grandparents through to older cousins etc, all made it perfectly clear that it was not a toy, it was a very serious and powerful weapon. Along that same sentiment of your statement. No one should be allowed to drive vehicles, right? They can be used for murder too. ( stretch example, but just as ludicrous as saying the only purpose for a hand gun is murder). My .38 I keep as protection from the idiots out there that are out to maime and destroy human life cause they think having a gun is cool. I wish it didn't have to be this way. BUT it IS my constitutional right to bear arms, and you better believe I'll use it if I am TRULY threatened. In other words I'm not an idiot, pulling out my weapon every time some one hurts my feelings or makes me mad, ( then I just throw wrenches!lol). However, if you make a verbal threat that can be deadly on nature, and I honestly believe you to be intending me harm, or you make a physical attempt on harming me?? You better hope you can outrun a bullet, because I will shoot you! But only if you are threatening my LIFE in any way. Other than that? You have no worries, unless you're an Elk, a bear, a deer, a Turkey ( the gobble gobble kind, not the goofball kind), a Quail, or a Duck; then you're dinner.

I DO however agree that it should not be so easy for just ANYONE to get a hand gun. Let alone a rifle for that matter. I wish people that HAVE guns were more astute to their responsibility to the community around them, and to their families. ( I.e. Keeping guns dry locked- unloaded and locked away when not in use). But instead, we are where we are, which is why if what you propose came into law, I'd gladly serve my time. Not because I was guilty, but because I was raised to respect the law no matter how stupid it is..

I have no problems with people hunting animals if that's their thing.
you can do that with a rifle or shotgun.
I am not proposing banning all guns.
my point is that a concealable weapon has one purpose- to kill humans.
why would an animal care or even know the difference???
the problem with your logic is everyone has a different "standard" of proposed threat as we have seen in the recent high profile cases. you leave it up to the individual to determine if they are threatened and more times than not someone ends up dead. yeah, you can prosecute the person who killed them but it is too late for the dead person.

I am a little passionate about this subject because my hero was gunned down from behind by some coward with a handgun and hollow point bullets.
pretty sure that if the bastard was standing on the curb with a shotgun or rifle then it would have been a little more obvious his intent.

Ok well that makes more sense, knowing where your logic comes from. The point to the concealment is literally that humans are alike like sheep in that we're a rather stupid species when the panic factor is introduced. The concealment is not so that we can "sneak up and kill a mother fucker". It's concealed do that panic is not incited. It gives the person carrying a comfort knowing that we are able to defend ourselves if needed, but others around us are not frightened. Cause honestly, no one knows the person carrying or whether they are responsible with the firearm
They carry. And as for proving that your life is threatened.. There are rules to that that must be proved with witnesses and police reports in court. At least that's how it works here, not sure about other C&C states. I am sorry to hear about your hero. ( by chance would you be referring to Dimebag?). Losing a anyone to senseless violence of ANY sort is a horrific reality to face. So, I feel for you, and see now where you came up with that logic. But to be honest, not every single person that carries a weapon intends to murder anyone. I have carried mine for three years, and thank GOD everyday that I have never had to use it on anyone. I am ok with hunting, because there is a purpose to it.. But I'm still not sure if I could actually kill a human being even if I had to. ( and in general I really don'tike people, so I guess I have more conscience than I thought). But to actually kill someone out of anger takes a certain lack of the ability to think. I'm actually pretty damned good at thinking in the spot like that, so I always pray that if I end up in that situation that I would handle it with wisdom. But I have been physically assaulted and sexually assaulted. I know what the consequence to being accosted whole unarmed is.. So I guess the truth is we both see the reality of this from complete opposite sides of the coin..

lolobugg

whispering hands said:

lolobugg said:

whispering hands said:

lolobugg said:

The only practical use for a handgun is to inflict harm or murder a human.
all concealable weapons should be banned.
they should make it automatic life sentence if you are caught with one.
that would stop all this bullshit.
there is my pipe dream for the day.

lolobugg.

So all police officers should be in prison?? Not to be silly, but but you can leave a gun to it's own and it's a lazy SOB.. It won't kill anyone. However, enter un-educated ( in the proper use and handling of a gun) humans.. And video game,television/Hollywood influence and that is where murder occurs. I was raised around guns all my life, and my family, from Grandparents through to older cousins etc, all made it perfectly clear that it was not a toy, it was a very serious and powerful weapon. Along that same sentiment of your statement. No one should be allowed to drive vehicles, right? They can be used for murder too. ( stretch example, but just as ludicrous as saying the only purpose for a hand gun is murder). My .38 I keep as protection from the idiots out there that are out to maime and destroy human life cause they think having a gun is cool. I wish it didn't have to be this way. BUT it IS my constitutional right to bear arms, and you better believe I'll use it if I am TRULY threatened. In other words I'm not an idiot, pulling out my weapon every time some one hurts my feelings or makes me mad, ( then I just throw wrenches!lol). However, if you make a verbal threat that can be deadly on nature, and I honestly believe you to be intending me harm, or you make a physical attempt on harming me?? You better hope you can outrun a bullet, because I will shoot you! But only if you are threatening my LIFE in any way. Other than that? You have no worries, unless you're an Elk, a bear, a deer, a Turkey ( the gobble gobble kind, not the goofball kind), a Quail, or a Duck; then you're dinner.

I DO however agree that it should not be so easy for just ANYONE to get a hand gun. Let alone a rifle for that matter. I wish people that HAVE guns were more astute to their responsibility to the community around them, and to their families. ( I.e. Keeping guns dry locked- unloaded and locked away when not in use). But instead, we are where we are, which is why if what you propose came into law, I'd gladly serve my time. Not because I was guilty, but because I was raised to respect the law no matter how stupid it is..

I have no problems with people hunting animals if that's their thing.
you can do that with a rifle or shotgun.
I am not proposing banning all guns.
my point is that a concealable weapon has one purpose- to kill humans.
why would an animal care or even know the difference???
the problem with your logic is everyone has a different "standard" of proposed threat as we have seen in the recent high profile cases. you leave it up to the individual to determine if they are threatened and more times than not someone ends up dead. yeah, you can prosecute the person who killed them but it is too late for the dead person.

I am a little passionate about this subject because my hero was gunned down from behind by some coward with a handgun and hollow point bullets.
pretty sure that if the bastard was standing on the curb with a shotgun or rifle then it would have been a little more obvious his intent.

Ok well that makes more sense, knowing where your logic comes from. The point to the concealment is literally that humans are alike like sheep in that we're a rather stupid species when the panic factor is introduced. The concealment is not so that we can "sneak up and kill a mother fucker". It's concealed do that panic is not incited. It gives the person carrying a comfort knowing that we are able to defend ourselves if needed, but others around us are not frightened. Cause honestly, no one knows the person carrying or whether they are responsible with the firearm
They carry. And as for proving that your life is threatened.. There are rules to that that must be proved with witnesses and police reports in court. At least that's how it works here, not sure about other C&C states. I am sorry to hear about your hero. ( by chance would you be referring to Dimebag?). Losing a anyone to senseless violence of ANY sort is a horrific reality to face. So, I feel for you, and see now where you came up with that logic. But to be honest, not every single person that carries a weapon intends to murder anyone. I have carried mine for three years, and thank GOD everyday that I have never had to use it on anyone. I am ok with hunting, because there is a purpose to it.. But I'm still not sure if I could actually kill a human being even if I had to. ( and in general I really don'tike people, so I guess I have more conscience than I thought). But to actually kill someone out of anger takes a certain lack of the ability to think. I'm actually pretty damned good at thinking in the spot like that, so I always pray that if I end up in that situation that I would handle it with wisdom. But I have been physically assaulted and sexually assaulted. I know what the consequence to being accosted whole unarmed is.. So I guess the truth is we both see the reality of this from complete opposite sides of the coin..

I understand where your logic is. If I were a female, I would probably be scared shitless to leave my house knowing all the scumbags that are out there. You are a responsible gun owner but unfortunately due to the prevalence of guns on the streets, if you were to get serious about it you would have to ban ALL handguns. and then provide a punishment that would deter people from even thinking about carrying them. This is not a popular view and would take generations for people to actual accept this. America is gun crazy right now. We love our guns. This is why this will NEVER happen. NRA is prob the most powerful lobby in the country.

btw: I was speaking of John Lennon. his murderer flew from Hawaii with a gun. and then down to Georgia to purchase hollow point bullets. the irony is that the city he was killed in has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. the fucker had to bring his murder weapons in from outside the state.

whispering hands

Wow. Yeah I knew that JL. Was murdered heinously, never knew the full details. And yes I know it's bad here, and that the truth is. It really probably would take a full on ban. But again it would take generations to get everyone around to that side. And even then, us God fearing Republicans won't be giving em' up very easily. However the sad thing is, that even God fearing Republicans have been the ones behind the trigger, which is just as bad as the thugs shooting it out over territories! So the scary point of it all is that it is a no win situation all round. I know the criminal side gets guns like some kids get candy, and even if you did restrict it in a full out ban of weapons, there's still police officers that misuse the power of having them
Too. So, until we figure this whole thing out.. I carry a .38 EVERYWHERE, except places where it is posted that I may not.

lolobugg

whispering hands said:

Wow. Yeah I knew that JL. Was murdered heinously, never knew the full details. And yes I know it's bad here, and that the truth is. It really probably would take a full on ban. But again it would take generations to get everyone around to that side. And even then, us God fearing Republicans won't be giving em' up very easily. However the sad thing is, that even God fearing Republicans have been the ones behind the trigger, which is just as bad as the thugs shooting it out over territories! So the scary point of it all is that it is a no win situation all round. I know the criminal side gets guns like some kids get candy, and even if you did restrict it in a full out ban of weapons, there's still police officers that misuse the power of having them
Too. So, until we figure this whole thing out.. I carry a .38 EVERYWHERE, except places where it is posted that I may not.

.38 special
I'm gonna be watching out for you ) )