Fad feeding

whispering hands

I'm going to start a diet, just fucking make one up.. Give it some silly name, and see how it catches on. Why not? I could get rich off all the gullible people in the world!! Hey, it worked for Atkins, this crazy Paleo thing, and the always famous Ten Day Juice diet .


Ok I know, I'm kinda being a bitch.. But here's the real secret, folks... Each and everyone one of our bodies works differently with or against the foods we consume! So if you have a low tolerance for breaking down Lactose, cut it out.. Unsung in their Paleo thread mentioned that milk really isn't necessary for adults. To a minor degree this person is right. But to be comets honest, it was never meant for us to drink at all! None the less, in our infinitely ' ignorant wisdom' humans have found a million ways to make use of it. Which in turn is actually not bad, is less time consuming, and the beneficial result is dead heat similar; so we drink milk, eat yogurt, use butter, etc.. But if you can't break down lactose, then you really should find your bacterial benefit, calcium, and vitamin intake by more suitable means. Grains.. Completely fucking necessary! Sorry to break it to you.. There are millions of grains out there without the crappy gluten in them. But grains are natural proteins, sugars and fatstgat our muscles, tendons and digestive systems require to keep things together! Anytime a diet tells you to exclude some entire group of foods from your diet??? Go talk to a specialist!! And not a kook! I mean board certified, been to school, understands how the human body works.. Someone that actually KNOWS what they're talking about. It scares me to think that do many people jump on these fad diets because so and so did it, and it worked for them.. It may have, in the short run.. But a Quarter Horse WILL OUT RUN a Thorobred for a quarter mile. Big deal. In the end the Thorobred blows by in the mile. The point is, you want it to work in a sustainable manner; that promotes life long health. Not instant result. If there's an instant result, something is not right. Sure you lose weight, feel good, but even Anorexia feels good in the beginning! I'm not saying don't diet.. I'm saying make sure the diet you plan to mold your life to, is one that is monitored directly by an educated individual, not some article your friend's cousin's ex-roomate's dog's last owner told you about that worked for them! Each person is different. Just this Paleo shit is disturbing! If you're gonna truly do it, look into that periodic history! Those fuckers didn't live very long! As for processed foods, gross! NO ONE needs that crap! I try yo avoid that at all costs!
Anyhow.. Rant over.. Just take care of your body.. Quit ravaging its insides for the result of better looking outsides. Ok truly done ranting..
I'll be looking forward to my new asshole in the morning! ;-)

brianlux

Hey, whispering hands, knock it off- you're hurting "diet and nutrition" section in the bookstore! Hahaha!

No, I get it. Every body has specific needs. I've been working on fine tuning my diet off and on for a long time. When I listen to my body and my mind, I can usually tune it in fairly well. When I don't listen, I start to fray around the edges. I was really fraying in October- migraines returning, strange unexplained pain on the right side of my torso (not Lyme disease or shingles so probably neuritis), digestion not good, massive fatigue, depression and anxiety frequently nipping at my heals. So I really had to get the diet into gear- juicing, local organic fruits and vegetables, seeds, scant nuts, occasional small amounts meat (no beef), goat cheese, some fermented foods, rice or almond milk, herbs, a little Himalayan sea salt. Plus I eliminated wheat, anything with yeast added to it (which is a LOT of stuff- read the labels- it will blow your mind), very low gluten, no corn syrup or cane sugar and reduced use of natural sugars, went to mostly teas, seldom coffee, very little alcohol and NO junk food or artificial crap period. But that's just me- what my body does best with.

I've also tried to fine tune my supplements over the years. That takes a lot of research and trial and error but always B, C, D-3 vitamins to start with. Wow- talk about something that is individual. The is no way any one regiment of supplements works for everyone. And some people believe an idea diet requires no supplements. In polluted, ecologically altered world that's super difficult. Immune boosters and some detox supplements like milk thistle are on my go to list. But shit, I'm oldish. I need all the help I can get, haha!

Here's my nifty ideas for a diet book title, Whispering:

The New World Dumpster Diet.
Bird Feed: The All-New, All-Seed Diet.
The Delicate Thumb: A Cannibal Cuisine.
The Ravenous Monkey Fruit Diet
The Abominable Snow Man's All-Wild Foods Diet.
Soylent Green Revisited.
What's in Your Cupboard? : A Guide for Culinary Kleptomaniacs.
and my favorite: Eat Shit and Diet.

SD48277

Brian, I think you are on to something with the New World Dumpster Diet. )

whispering hands

I like Eat shit and Diet!! Lmao!!

rr165892

I would like to add a couple of titles..
-A Bulimics guide to the Universe(Learn the tools how to eat what you want,then just let it go)
-Put Down the Doritos and Coke classic you fat fuck and Shut your mouth!!!!(In your face guide to weight loss)
-80s Miami Vice Diet(explore the concepts of doing large amounts of Cocaine,chain smoking Marlboro reds,and guzzling cheap canned beer)While the excess muscle mass and body fat just wither away and fall right off

brianlux

rr165892 said:

I would like to add a couple of titles..
-A Bulimics guide to the Universe(Learn the tools how to eat what you want,then just let it go)
-Put Down the Doritos and Coke classic you fat fuck and Shut your mouth!!!!(In your face guide to weight loss)
-80s Miami Vice Diet(explore the concepts of doing large amounts of Cocaine,chain smoking Marlboro reds,and guzzling cheap canned beer)While the excess muscle mass and body fat just wither away and fall right off

) "Miami Vice Diet, hahaha! Good one, rr!

That show was cool. I still have the episode that featured Willie Nelson as a retired Texas Ranger.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rr165892 said:

Put Down the Doritos and Coke classic you fat fuck and Shut your mouth!!!!(In your face guide to weight loss)

I'd buy this book just for title alone (esp. if it had a real catchy cover image)!

Idris

'milk really isn't necessary for adults'...How many things do adults do that are not necessary?

hedonist

These titles are brilliant!

Diet - in terms of daily eating, not the "I'm on a diet" sense - is a work in progress for me. I've always been wary of fads, whether related to food, clothing, make-up, jewelry...just not a fan of bandwagons or investing in something because others are.

Sometimes radical changes are needed or maybe just tweaks here and there.

Most important thing is to listen to your body.

hedonist

Idris said:

'milk really isn't necessary for adults'...How many things do adults do that are not necessary?

A whole lot

I love milk, mainly have it with cereal a few times a week, and have noticed a huge difference in buying organic milk, which I've done for the last three months. The regular stuff periodically made me sick and seemed to sour quickly.

Idris

hedonist said:

Idris said:

'milk really isn't necessary for adults'...How many things do adults do that are not necessary?

A whole lot

I love milk, mainly have it with cereal a few times a week, and have noticed a huge difference in buying organic milk, which I've done for the last three months. The regular stuff periodically made me sick and seemed to sour quickly.

I've been drinking Organic milk (here in the states) for about a decade, now while I was living in South Africa, we had a milk man drop fresh milk off right to our front door, in glass milk jars! It tasted soooo good.

I really want to get unpasteurized milk here. :>

whispering hands

I said it was in necessary.. Not that it was bad. In small increments it is actually good for you. As for in pasteurized milk, honestly best format EVER!! Just scary, cause cattle carry so much bacterium in their milk that is bad for human digestion. However, if you slowly add it to your diet, unless the cow has some catastrophic strain of disease, unpasteurized milk is very very good! I miss it! Really want to get some? Look into co oping dairy cows. The USDA only regulates corporate industry, not private. So look Into finding somewhere near you that co-ops dairy cattle! We do that here in Colorado, and we did it in Oklahoma and Arkansas. Basically you buy into the cow's keeping and feed, and the people splitting the cost get the dairy product from said cow or cows. We also used to do this with beef cattle. And if you're the one providing the feed then you know what is or isn't in your food or milk. Just a note, if you DO co-OP dairy cattle, you have to help pay insemination cost once a year to keep them " bred-up". ( milk only comes from pregnant or lactating heifers.) other than that, it is really affordable, and you get to split the profit of calf sales, so it pays itself back to a degree! Just know that a producing heifer can produce more milk than any one human can drink, so try to " split " your cow into equal portions. If you want enough milk to produce your own creams, whets, cheese yogurt or sour cream cultures, split your cow halvsies, but if you just want the milk itself, go four ways.. Just a suggestion.

whispering hands

hedonist said:

These titles are brilliant!

Diet - in terms of daily eating, not the "I'm on a diet" sense - is a work in progress for me. I've always been wary of fads, whether related to food, clothing, make-up, jewelry...just not a fan of bandwagons or investing in something because others are.

Sometimes radical changes are needed or maybe just tweaks here and there.

Most important thing is to listen to your body.

That is the entire key right there!! Listen to your body!

And I'd like to add the title:

Air; it's what's for Dinner.. A do it yourself guide to starvation.

whispering hands

whispering hands said:

I said it was in necessary.. Not that it was bad. In small increments it is actually good for you. As for in pasteurized milk, honestly best format EVER!! Just scary, cause cattle carry so much bacterium in their milk that is bad for human digestion. However, if you slowly add it to your diet, unless the cow has some catastrophic strain of disease, unpasteurized milk is very very good! I miss it! Really want to get some? Look into co oping dairy cows. The USDA only regulates corporate industry, not private. So look Into finding somewhere near you that co-ops dairy cattle! We do that here in Colorado, and we did it in Oklahoma and Arkansas. Basically you buy into the cow's keeping and feed, and the people splitting the cost get the dairy product from said cow or cows. We also used to do this with beef cattle. And if you're the one providing the feed then you know what is or isn't in your food or milk. Just a note, if you DO co-OP dairy cattle, you have to help pay insemination cost once a year to keep them " bred-up". ( milk only comes from pregnant or lactating heifers.) other than that, it is really affordable, and you get to split the profit of calf sales, so it pays itself back to a degree! Just know that a producing heifer can produce more milk than any one human can drink, so try to " split " your cow into equal portions. If you want enough milk to produce your own creams, whets, cheese yogurt or sour cream cultures, split your cow halvsies, but if you just want the milk itself, go four ways.. Just a suggestion.

You can also do this with Goats.. And actually goat milk is ten times healthier for you!

hedonist

Idris said:

hedonist said:

Idris said:

'milk really isn't necessary for adults'...How many things do adults do that are not necessary?

A whole lot

I love milk, mainly have it with cereal a few times a week, and have noticed a huge difference in buying organic milk, which I've done for the last three months. The regular stuff periodically made me sick and seemed to sour quickly.

I've been drinking Organic milk (here in the states) for about a decade, now while I was living in South Africa, we had a milk man drop fresh milk off right to our front door, in glass milk jars! It tasted soooo good.

I really want to get unpasteurized milk here. :>

There's nothing like ice-cold milk from a glass jar (especially drinking straight from it)! Sounds like the milk carts from the 30s & 40s here. Our old house had a little cutout next to the driveway where you could set various arrows to the quantities of milk, butter, eggs needed, and the dude would show up and leave the order on the side-door steps.

Talk about fresh (and nostalgic).

I watched a news story a few years ago about a local group that sold unpasteurized milk (along with produce from area farmers) that was being shut down, despite the community wanting and supporting it. I hadn't realized there was such controversy around it.

hedonist

whispering hands said:

I said it was in necessary.. Not that it was bad. In small increments it is actually good for you. As for in pasteurized milk, honestly best format EVER!! Just scary, cause cattle carry so much bacterium in their milk that is bad for human digestion. However, if you slowly add it to your diet, unless the cow has some catastrophic strain of disease, unpasteurized milk is very very good! I miss it! Really want to get some? Look into co oping dairy cows. The USDA only regulates corporate industry, not private. So look Into finding somewhere near you that co-ops dairy cattle! We do that here in Colorado, and we did it in Oklahoma and Arkansas. Basically you buy into the cow's keeping and feed, and the people splitting the cost get the dairy product from said cow or cows. We also used to do this with beef cattle. And if you're the one providing the feed then you know what is or isn't in your food or milk. Just a note, if you DO co-OP dairy cattle, you have to help pay insemination cost once a year to keep them " bred-up". ( milk only comes from pregnant or lactating heifers.) other than that, it is really affordable, and you get to split the profit of calf sales, so it pays itself back to a degree! Just know that a producing heifer can produce more milk than any one human can drink, so try to " split " your cow into equal portions. If you want enough milk to produce your own creams, whets, cheese yogurt or sour cream cultures, split your cow halvsies, but if you just want the milk itself, go four ways.. Just a suggestion.

A guy I used to work with does the cow co-op. I'd never known something like that existed; seems like a great idea.

And your "Air: It's What's for Dinner"?

rr165892

Fresh baked Edibles with ice cold Skim Milk at about 10pm on a fri night?mmmmmmm

brianlux

rr165892 said:

Fresh baked Edibles with ice cold Skim Milk at about 10pm on a fri night?mmmmmmm

Wan't that in the book, Midnight Munchies; Everlovin' Evening Edibles by I. M. Stoner?

rgambs

I 100% agree with the idea behind this post. One thing that really bothers me about diets, particularly fad diets, is they focus only on what and how much you eat and ignore the other half of the equation: how active you are. At the highest levels of activity you can eat all the nasty food you desire and your body will burn it right up.
Does it make sense to limit your intake of sugars, meats, and grains? OF COURSE IT DOES! Does it make sense to cut one out entirely? HELL NO! Nearly all foods have aspects that are harmful or negative for the body, which is exactly why you should eat a smart variety. This no grains ever business is just nuts. It isn't sustainable, it sounds like torture and it flat out ignores the health risks of increased meat consumption.
Food is fuel, food is medicine, and food is pleasure. Life is too short to cut out sugar, grains, or meat 100%!

whispering hands

Amen RR!!

rgambs

Another one annoys me to hell and back is the raw diet. It boldly flies in the face of basic science, nutrition, and history with the arrogant, flippant air of a creationist or climate change denier.

whispering hands

rgambs said:

Another one annoys me to hell and back is the raw diet. It boldly flies in the face of basic science, nutrition, and history with the arrogant, flippant air of a creationist or climate change denier.

Lmao! Yes, it really does! Like I said before.. There's a reason those people didn't live very long..

hedonist

rgambs said:

Food is fuel, food is medicine, and food is pleasure. Life is too short to cut out sugar, grains, or meat 100%!

I can't speak to the other things since I'm not familiar with their workings, but I'm wholeheartedly with you on this (especially as to the pleasure side).

Idris

hedonist said:

Idris said:

hedonist said:

Idris said:

'milk really isn't necessary for adults'...How many things do adults do that are not necessary?

A whole lot

I love milk, mainly have it with cereal a few times a week, and have noticed a huge difference in buying organic milk, which I've done for the last three months. The regular stuff periodically made me sick and seemed to sour quickly.

I've been drinking Organic milk (here in the states) for about a decade, now while I was living in South Africa, we had a milk man drop fresh milk off right to our front door, in glass milk jars! It tasted soooo good.

I really want to get unpasteurized milk here. :>

There's nothing like ice-cold milk from a glass jar (especially drinking straight from it)! Sounds like the milk carts from the 30s & 40s here. Our old house had a little cutout next to the driveway where you could set various arrows to the quantities of milk, butter, eggs needed, and the dude would show up and leave the order on the side-door steps.

Talk about fresh (and nostalgic).

I watched a news story a few years ago about a local group that sold unpasteurized milk (along with produce from area farmers) that was being shut down, despite the community wanting and supporting it. I hadn't realized there was such controversy around it.

npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2011/10/13/141249172/a-legal-loophole-for-raw-milk-lovers-call-it-pet-food

whispering hands

Idris said:

hedonist said:

Idris said:

hedonist said:

Idris said:

'milk really isn't necessary for adults'...How many things do adults do that are not necessary?

A whole lot

I love milk, mainly have it with cereal a few times a week, and have noticed a huge difference in buying organic milk, which I've done for the last three months. The regular stuff periodically made me sick and seemed to sour quickly.

I've been drinking Organic milk (here in the states) for about a decade, now while I was living in South Africa, we had a milk man drop fresh milk off right to our front door, in glass milk jars! It tasted soooo good.

I really want to get unpasteurized milk here. :>

There's nothing like ice-cold milk from a glass jar (especially drinking straight from it)! Sounds like the milk carts from the 30s & 40s here. Our old house had a little cutout next to the driveway where you could set various arrows to the quantities of milk, butter, eggs needed, and the dude would show up and leave the order on the side-door steps.

Talk about fresh (and nostalgic).

I watched a news story a few years ago about a local group that sold unpasteurized milk (along with produce from area farmers) that was being shut down, despite the community wanting and supporting it. I hadn't realized there was such controversy around it.

npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2011/10/13/141249172/a-legal-loophole-for-raw-milk-lovers-call-it-pet-food

Smart!!

oftenreading

rgambs said:

I 100% agree with the idea behind this post. One thing that really bothers me about diets, particularly fad diets, is they focus only on what and how much you eat and ignore the other half of the equation: how active you are. At the highest levels of activity you can eat all the nasty food you desire and your body will burn it right up.
Does it make sense to limit your intake of sugars, meats, and grains? OF COURSE IT DOES! Does it make sense to cut one out entirely? HELL NO! Nearly all foods have aspects that are harmful or negative for the body, which is exactly why you should eat a smart variety. This no grains ever business is just nuts. It isn't sustainable, it sounds like torture and it flat out ignores the health risks of increased meat consumption.
Food is fuel, food is medicine, and food is pleasure. Life is too short to cut out sugar, grains, or meat 100%!

Your body may indeed burn a lot of nasty stuff up in terms of calories, but that doesn't mean it isn't having an effect on your body. Caloric intake isn't the only important factor for nutrition.

The rest of your post I agree with.

rgambs

oftenreading said:

rgambs said:

I 100% agree with the idea behind this post. One thing that really bothers me about diets, particularly fad diets, is they focus only on what and how much you eat and ignore the other half of the equation: how active you are. At the highest levels of activity you can eat all the nasty food you desire and your body will burn it right up.
Does it make sense to limit your intake of sugars, meats, and grains? OF COURSE IT DOES! Does it make sense to cut one out entirely? HELL NO! Nearly all foods have aspects that are harmful or negative for the body, which is exactly why you should eat a smart variety. This no grains ever business is just nuts. It isn't sustainable, it sounds like torture and it flat out ignores the health risks of increased meat consumption.
Food is fuel, food is medicine, and food is pleasure. Life is too short to cut out sugar, grains, or meat 100%!

Your body may indeed burn a lot of nasty stuff up in terms of calories, but that doesn't mean it isn't having an effect on your body. Caloric intake isn't the only important factor for nutrition.

The rest of your post I agree with.

True, there are other factors, but it is my opinion they are all secondary to how much you burn. Our food industry stripped our foods of nutrition, and then added vitamins and minerals to regain what was lost. Pretty stupid, but nutritionally viable. Thru-hikers eat upwards of 4,000 calories a day, typically drinking a ton of soda, eating whole pizzas, multiple burgers, bags of chips, and insane amounts of Hostess products and ice cream. A quart of ice cream in a sitting is not unheard of, and they accrue all the nutrition they need for extreme exertion, without adding plaque to their arteries, suffering poor cholesterol, or blood pressure issues. Indeed, it is those who try to eat "healthy" by going organic and avoiding processed foods that often suffer nutritional deficiencies, as they simple have a difficult time consuming enough calories.

whispering hands

The way to avoid that deficiency, is to mix up your diet to allow for " treats". As for processed foods, there are so so many nasty chemical preservatives that are not needed, but yes, make your own Ice Cream.. Far better natural salt and fat in there than store bought. Though ore convenient than home made, is actually not as delicious or beneficial. I personally can't eat that sort of thing, at least not much,because I'm Diabetic. But I do try to add natural sugars, fats and complex carbs over simple carbs because of the sugar factor. But yes, you're right about back stocking calories to burn when you know you need extra steam. But you can make up for the deficiencies without adding the crap that is processed. I very very rarely eat out, or ore cooked foods, but I also research what I eat as I make menus for the week. In doing that, I am
Able to balance my ratios of vitamins, fats, carbs, sugars, proteins, fibers, and by the end of that menu set, I can know I have a balanced diet in that week. Then again, I don't eat foods from the store. I shop at Farmer's Markets, make my own breads, and hunt for my meats. I also stay as active as I can, and I still have some excess weight, go figure!ol

rgambs

I was speaking specifically of thru-hikers, who burn 3 to 4 thousand calories a day for months on end. They can almost literally eat whatever they want without detriment.

whispering hands

rgambs said:

I was speaking specifically of thru-hikers, who burn 3 to 4 thousand calories a day for months on end. They can almost literally eat whatever they want without detriment.

Definitely!! I misunderstood. :-)

riotgrl

You absolutely have to know your own body and what works best for you. Any diet that restricts ANY macronutrients is probably not best for us. I do best with few grains and more protein and healthy fats. It's a matter of experimenting to find what works best. Most people are unable to understand the signals that their body sends out in response to food intake. Enjoy the foods that feed your soul!