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Title says it all.

The guy scores a goal and proceeds to launch into a series of somersaults which ends tragically for him (the video is in the story/link).

http://www.cbssports.com/general/eye-on-sports/24760561/indian-soccer-player-dies-following-tragic-goal-celebration

Let alone the potential for injury (celebrations result in more injuries than you can imagine)... can't a team or its players win with grace? I have had several teams that have won championships at various levels. I have coached every one of them to respect their opponent at the end of the game and save the celebration for the locker room- versus the floor where a losing team was dealing with the emotions attached to a loss (essentially rubbing the loss in their faces).

When has 'celebrating' typical moments in games become such a common event? Is humility an underappreciated quality in an athlete?

I remember a coach told his team when they scored a touchdown... act like they've done it before. Nowadays... it seems as if- using baseball as an example- a base on balls warrants a team wide ritual of fist bumps, high fives and choreographed dance maneuvers.

Maybe I'm old school?
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I think humility is an underappreciated quality, period.

    I guess this type of celebrating isn't limited to country or locale? Save for the occasional football game, I'm not a big watcher of sports (especially all the way to the end!) so haven't realized that this happens more and more.

    Winning with grace is even more important than losing with it.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Barry sanders would've never done this.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    badbrains said:

    Barry sanders would've never done this.

    Exactly. Neither would have Wayne Gretzky, Larry Bird, or Cal Ripken Jr.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    badbrains said:

    Barry sanders would've never done this.

    Exactly. Neither would have Wayne Gretzky, Larry Bird, or Cal Ripken Jr.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    I can't quite place my finger on the time when poor athlete behaviour became the norm.

    I know the Miami Hurricanes football team introduced an element of obnoxious behaviour back when 'swagger' was frowned upon. When did sporting bodies, leagues, teams, fans, and players accept such celebrations as par for the course?
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    I'm a fan of acting like you've been there before...
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    Totally agree, Thirty. Humility, class, good sportsmanship- all become more rare in sports.
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,529
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Title says it all.

    The guy scores a goal and proceeds to launch into a series of somersaults which ends tragically for him (the video is in the story/link).

    http://www.cbssports.com/general/eye-on-sports/24760561/indian-soccer-player-dies-following-tragic-goal-celebration

    Let alone the potential for injury (celebrations result in more injuries than you can imagine)... can't a team or its players win with grace? I have had several teams that have won championships at various levels. I have coached every one of them to respect their opponent at the end of the game and save the celebration for the locker room- versus the floor where a losing team was dealing with the emotions attached to a loss (essentially rubbing the loss in their faces).

    When has 'celebrating' typical moments in games become such a common event? Is humility an underappreciated quality in an athlete?

    I remember a coach told his team when they scored a touchdown... act like they've done it before. Nowadays... it seems as if- using baseball as an example- a base on balls warrants a team wide ritual of fist bumps, high fives and choreographed dance maneuvers.

    Maybe I'm old school?

    i agree with you but soccer has so few goals it's a minor miracle when most guys score so i can see celebrating those. but did you ever see a relief pitcher in the 7th inning get an out to end an inning and act like he saved the world from Ebola or a receiver get one 1st down. it's crazy. this generation is pretty much a look-at-me generation though between social media and selfies and shit like that so not unexpected that athletes do this when the general population is obsessed with this stuff.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Same with Walter Payton. All that just to get on sports center for 7 seconds. Shame.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    pjhawks said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Title says it all.

    The guy scores a goal and proceeds to launch into a series of somersaults which ends tragically for him (the video is in the story/link).

    http://www.cbssports.com/general/eye-on-sports/24760561/indian-soccer-player-dies-following-tragic-goal-celebration

    Let alone the potential for injury (celebrations result in more injuries than you can imagine)... can't a team or its players win with grace? I have had several teams that have won championships at various levels. I have coached every one of them to respect their opponent at the end of the game and save the celebration for the locker room- versus the floor where a losing team was dealing with the emotions attached to a loss (essentially rubbing the loss in their faces).

    When has 'celebrating' typical moments in games become such a common event? Is humility an underappreciated quality in an athlete?

    I remember a coach told his team when they scored a touchdown... act like they've done it before. Nowadays... it seems as if- using baseball as an example- a base on balls warrants a team wide ritual of fist bumps, high fives and choreographed dance maneuvers.

    Maybe I'm old school?

    i agree with you but soccer has so few goals it's a minor miracle when most guys score so i can see celebrating those. but did you ever see a relief pitcher in the 7th inning get an out to end an inning and act like he saved the world from Ebola or a receiver get one 1st down. it's crazy. this generation is pretty much a look-at-me generation though between social media and selfies and shit like that so not unexpected that athletes do this when the general population is obsessed with this stuff.
    The 'look at me' generation is what I'm getting at.

    The RB that scores the TD from 1 yard out runs to the back of the end zone and does his theatrics and dance moves- while his linemen are picking themselves up off the ground after creating the hole for him to plunge through. How about running back to the line and helping your guys up off the ground instead of playing to the cameras as if you did it all by yourself?

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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Routine tackles in football now warrant a celebratory dance and taunting every time.
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    know1 said:

    Routine tackles in football now warrant a celebratory dance and taunting every time.

    That's what drives me nuts. The special teams guy that makes 2 tackles a game during kickoffs dancing across the field after tripping the guy!
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Last-12-Exit said:

    know1 said:

    Routine tackles in football now warrant a celebratory dance and taunting every time.

    That's what drives me nuts. The special teams guy that makes 2 tackles a game during kickoffs dancing across the field after tripping the guy!
    I always get a kick out of those exact plays when the guy has the ball and he's being chased fast as fuck by someone and they both go out of bounds and are taking shit to each other, fingers pointing and shit talking. Yet nothing happened, one ran out of bounds untouched and the other guy ran his ass off for ZERO. All tired and yapping when nothing happened! I'll take a sanders handing the ball to the ref after he crosses the line AGAIN.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Say nothing of the 'gangsta' attitude that is prevalent among pro athletes.

    I mean... Aaron Hernandez... seriously? Adam Jones?

    Do the horrible attitudes develop in the professional, collegiate, or amateur ranks?

    My feel is that coaches at lower levels essentially suck up to star athletes- allowing them to behave any way they want- in pursuit of championships. Once the athlete gets pimped out to the college that pays the most 'under the table'... the college coaches become something of slaves to the athletes' behaviours as well.

    In the wake of all the recent domestic abuse cases in the NFL... not all teams will draw a hard line in the sand: look at the 49ers and Ray McDonald. They keep him in the line up hiding behind the old allow due process to occur end run around doing the right thing.

    It's all part in parcel: players acting poorly at various levels with teams and fan bases accepting the behaviours.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    Maybe this will make FIFA or whoever (not a soccer fan) put an end to the RIDICULOUS bullshit that soccer players pull on the field after scoring.... not to mentioned all the shameful dives that make a mockery of their sport.

    Terrible for the dead player's family and his teammates though. :(
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    edited October 2014
    That's what turns me completely off sports the unnecessary celebrations the only sport where it's kept to a minimum i'd have to say is Hockey and that's the one i watch the most ....Football players are the biggest self loving bunch of asshats .....PJ_Soul is correct Soccer players are 1st followed by football players
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    PJ_Soul said:

    Maybe this will make FIFA or whoever (not a soccer fan) put an end to the RIDICULOUS bullshit that soccer players pull on the field after scoring.... not to mentioned all the shameful dives that make a mockery of their sport.

    Terrible for the dead player's family and his teammates though. :(

    That won't happen. It's part of the game, kind of like fighting in the nhl. Although they are trying to get rid of that shit to.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    badbrains said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Maybe this will make FIFA or whoever (not a soccer fan) put an end to the RIDICULOUS bullshit that soccer players pull on the field after scoring.... not to mentioned all the shameful dives that make a mockery of their sport.

    Terrible for the dead player's family and his teammates though. :(

    That won't happen. It's part of the game, kind of like fighting in the nhl. Although they are trying to get rid of that shit to.
    "They" aren't trying to get rid of fighting in the NHL. Some random vocal minority is. ;)
    But there is a big difference in any case. Fighting in the NHL actually serves a purpose. Intimidate the opponent. Shake them up. Bring out their emotions and hopefully make them commit mistakes.
    Tearing off your shirt and doing back flips like an idiot serves no purpose at all as far as playing or winning the game goes.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJ_Soul said:

    badbrains said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Maybe this will make FIFA or whoever (not a soccer fan) put an end to the RIDICULOUS bullshit that soccer players pull on the field after scoring.... not to mentioned all the shameful dives that make a mockery of their sport.

    Terrible for the dead player's family and his teammates though. :(

    That won't happen. It's part of the game, kind of like fighting in the nhl. Although they are trying to get rid of that shit to.
    "They" aren't trying to get rid of fighting in the NHL. Some random vocal minority is. ;)
    But there is a big difference in any case. Fighting in the NHL actually serves a purpose. Intimidate the opponent. Shake them up. Bring out their emotions and hopefully make them commit mistakes.
    Tearing off your shirt and doing back flips like an idiot serves no purpose at all as far as playing or winning the game goes.
    I agree with this.

    Fighting in hockey is tradition. It's long been questioned whether Wayne Gretzky would have had the career he did if guys like Semenko weren't there to kick the shit out of anyone who messed with the guy.

    Tearing your shirt off and running to a spot on the field where nobody else is to beat your chest begs reform: it's disrespectful of your opponents, your teammates, and the game itself.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    PJ_Soul said:

    badbrains said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Maybe this will make FIFA or whoever (not a soccer fan) put an end to the RIDICULOUS bullshit that soccer players pull on the field after scoring.... not to mentioned all the shameful dives that make a mockery of their sport.

    Terrible for the dead player's family and his teammates though. :(

    That won't happen. It's part of the game, kind of like fighting in the nhl. Although they are trying to get rid of that shit to.
    "They" aren't trying to get rid of fighting in the NHL. Some random vocal minority is. ;)
    But there is a big difference in any case. Fighting in the NHL actually serves a purpose. Intimidate the opponent. Shake them up. Bring out their emotions and hopefully make them commit mistakes.
    Tearing off your shirt and doing back flips like an idiot serves no purpose at all as far as playing or winning the game goes.
    Oh no they ARE trying to get rid of fighting in the NHL, trust me on this. It is a tradition but corporate doesn't care about tradition.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    edited October 2014
    badbrains said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    badbrains said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Maybe this will make FIFA or whoever (not a soccer fan) put an end to the RIDICULOUS bullshit that soccer players pull on the field after scoring.... not to mentioned all the shameful dives that make a mockery of their sport.

    Terrible for the dead player's family and his teammates though. :(

    That won't happen. It's part of the game, kind of like fighting in the nhl. Although they are trying to get rid of that shit to.
    "They" aren't trying to get rid of fighting in the NHL. Some random vocal minority is. ;)
    But there is a big difference in any case. Fighting in the NHL actually serves a purpose. Intimidate the opponent. Shake them up. Bring out their emotions and hopefully make them commit mistakes.
    Tearing off your shirt and doing back flips like an idiot serves no purpose at all as far as playing or winning the game goes.
    Oh no they ARE trying to get rid of fighting in the NHL, trust me on this. It is a tradition but corporate doesn't care about tradition.
    Well then who is "they"? If you mean the NHL, then there is no trying. They could just change the rules and hand out automatic suspensions for fighting and the problem is solved. That theu haven't done that tells me they're not trying very hard. ;) Is there some other "they" that I'm forgetting?

    (Such a stupid concept btw (just in general). Get rid of fighting in professional hockey... meanwhile, ultimate fighting grows and grows and boxing is losing popularity because it's not violent enough, lol).
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    PJ_Soul said:

    badbrains said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    badbrains said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Maybe this will make FIFA or whoever (not a soccer fan) put an end to the RIDICULOUS bullshit that soccer players pull on the field after scoring.... not to mentioned all the shameful dives that make a mockery of their sport.

    Terrible for the dead player's family and his teammates though. :(

    That won't happen. It's part of the game, kind of like fighting in the nhl. Although they are trying to get rid of that shit to.
    "They" aren't trying to get rid of fighting in the NHL. Some random vocal minority is. ;)
    But there is a big difference in any case. Fighting in the NHL actually serves a purpose. Intimidate the opponent. Shake them up. Bring out their emotions and hopefully make them commit mistakes.
    Tearing off your shirt and doing back flips like an idiot serves no purpose at all as far as playing or winning the game goes.
    Oh no they ARE trying to get rid of fighting in the NHL, trust me on this. It is a tradition but corporate doesn't care about tradition.
    Well then who is "they"? If you mean the NHL, then there is no trying. They could just change the rules and hand out automatic suspensions for fighting and the problem is solved. That theu haven't done that tells me they're not trying very hard. ;) Is there some other "they" that I'm forgetting?

    (Such a stupid concept btw (just in general). Get rid of fighting in professional hockey... meanwhile, ultimate fighting grows and grows and boxing is losing popularity because it's not violent enough, lol).
    Trust me, they are trying to get rid of fighting. I have friends in "high" places. That's all I'll say.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    badbrains said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    badbrains said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    badbrains said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Maybe this will make FIFA or whoever (not a soccer fan) put an end to the RIDICULOUS bullshit that soccer players pull on the field after scoring.... not to mentioned all the shameful dives that make a mockery of their sport.

    Terrible for the dead player's family and his teammates though. :(

    That won't happen. It's part of the game, kind of like fighting in the nhl. Although they are trying to get rid of that shit to.
    "They" aren't trying to get rid of fighting in the NHL. Some random vocal minority is. ;)
    But there is a big difference in any case. Fighting in the NHL actually serves a purpose. Intimidate the opponent. Shake them up. Bring out their emotions and hopefully make them commit mistakes.
    Tearing off your shirt and doing back flips like an idiot serves no purpose at all as far as playing or winning the game goes.
    Oh no they ARE trying to get rid of fighting in the NHL, trust me on this. It is a tradition but corporate doesn't care about tradition.
    Well then who is "they"? If you mean the NHL, then there is no trying. They could just change the rules and hand out automatic suspensions for fighting and the problem is solved. That theu haven't done that tells me they're not trying very hard. ;) Is there some other "they" that I'm forgetting?

    (Such a stupid concept btw (just in general). Get rid of fighting in professional hockey... meanwhile, ultimate fighting grows and grows and boxing is losing popularity because it's not violent enough, lol).
    Trust me, they are trying to get rid of fighting. I have friends in "high" places. That's all I'll say.
    I am friends with the son of a certain NHL team president, and that person doesn't particularly agree with what you're saying, so I guess it depends on who you ask.... so at the very least, it's still in the stages of question and debate, not at the point of "trying to get of it" at the level where anyone can actually make it happen. Again, "they" should actually be the ones who CAN get rid of it. And if "they" are trying to get rid of it, then they would.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJ_Soul said:

    Maybe this will make FIFA or whoever (not a soccer fan) put an end to the RIDICULOUS bullshit that soccer players pull on the field after scoring.... not to mentioned all the shameful dives that make a mockery of their sport.

    Terrible for the dead player's family and his teammates though. :(

    I'd be more likely to watch futbol if they eliminated the shameful, pathetic, "flopping"! It bothers me way more than the celebrations. Sportsgames in general is lame, it is probably the only ideological divide between me and PJ (ed and Jeff anyways)
    Bunch of overgrown babies being treated like kings for playing games to entertain the dull masses. Yuck. Give me art.
    Or at least a combat sport like MMA that makes sense. I want to scream at football fans " get off your ass and DO something!"
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    rgambs said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Maybe this will make FIFA or whoever (not a soccer fan) put an end to the RIDICULOUS bullshit that soccer players pull on the field after scoring.... not to mentioned all the shameful dives that make a mockery of their sport.

    Terrible for the dead player's family and his teammates though. :(

    I'd be more likely to watch futbol if they eliminated the shameful, pathetic, "flopping"! It bothers me way more than the celebrations. Sportsgames in general is lame, it is probably the only ideological divide between me and PJ (ed and Jeff anyways)
    Bunch of overgrown babies being treated like kings for playing games to entertain the dull masses. Yuck. Give me art.
    Or at least a combat sport like MMA that makes sense. I want to scream at football fans " get off your ass and DO something!"
    Absolutely. As I mentioned, the diving makes a mockery of the sport - it is the main reason I hate soccer.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    PJ_Soul said:

    badbrains said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    badbrains said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    badbrains said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Maybe this will make FIFA or whoever (not a soccer fan) put an end to the RIDICULOUS bullshit that soccer players pull on the field after scoring.... not to mentioned all the shameful dives that make a mockery of their sport.

    Terrible for the dead player's family and his teammates though. :(

    That won't happen. It's part of the game, kind of like fighting in the nhl. Although they are trying to get rid of that shit to.
    "They" aren't trying to get rid of fighting in the NHL. Some random vocal minority is. ;)
    But there is a big difference in any case. Fighting in the NHL actually serves a purpose. Intimidate the opponent. Shake them up. Bring out their emotions and hopefully make them commit mistakes.
    Tearing off your shirt and doing back flips like an idiot serves no purpose at all as far as playing or winning the game goes.
    Oh no they ARE trying to get rid of fighting in the NHL, trust me on this. It is a tradition but corporate doesn't care about tradition.
    Well then who is "they"? If you mean the NHL, then there is no trying. They could just change the rules and hand out automatic suspensions for fighting and the problem is solved. That theu haven't done that tells me they're not trying very hard. ;) Is there some other "they" that I'm forgetting?

    (Such a stupid concept btw (just in general). Get rid of fighting in professional hockey... meanwhile, ultimate fighting grows and grows and boxing is losing popularity because it's not violent enough, lol).
    Trust me, they are trying to get rid of fighting. I have friends in "high" places. That's all I'll say.
    I am friends with the son of a certain NHL team president, and that person doesn't particularly agree with what you're saying, so I guess it depends on who you ask.... so at the very least, it's still in the stages of question and debate, not at the point of "trying to get of it" at the level where anyone can actually make it happen. Again, "they" should actually be the ones who CAN get rid of it. And if "they" are trying to get rid of it, then they would.
    You're friends with a son of a certain nhl team president, my friend is "in" the "league" offices and "they" don't give 2 shits what anyone else thinks about what they're trying to do with fighting. This isn't something "they" can do overnight because "they" know fighting is tradition and "part" of the game. Just look at how many fighters are in the league these days. Just look at the leafs squad from just last year. Fighting is slowly gonna get eliminated from the league because "they" don't want it in the league for future lawsuits and what have you. Look at the nfl and concussions. Now look at the nhl and the "brain/concussion" injuries. Look at the players that died in the nhl last few years (boogard and already forgot that player that killed himself). Nhl wants to put a stop to these injuries before they have a problem like the nfl. Again, trust me, they're trying to eliminate fighting and slowly they are succeeding.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Ultimate fighting gained in popularity due to boxings rapid decline. Boxing fell off the face of the earth because of Don king types corrupting every fight and every fighter. The public got tired of the fix.

    Then Dana white "reinvented" the UFC. I won't argue that it's popularity rose quickly because its more violent than boxing. But I think it had more to do with its "purity." It was real and the fighters were not being paid to take a fall. Plus, the scorers weren't on the take as well. Ten years ago, when a fight went all 3 (or 5) rounds in the UFC, you could be 95% positive that the scorers got it correct.

    But the ugly smell of money has penetrated the UFC. I've stopped watching it because it's become abundantly clear that the fights are fixed. Plus, Dana has watered it down to the point where these fights are meaningless anymore. Idk if they are still have a PPV event every month or not. But IMO, that was to much. The UFC will fall just as hard as boxing did if they don't clean up their act.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited October 2014
    I still remember my friends and I travelling on the bus from university to hit a pub that would show ultimate fighting (very few pubs showed these fights back then). This was in 1990 and it was 'tournament style ' where fighters would advance to the finals after 2 pre-final fights. There were no rounds- the fight went as long as it took for someone to tap out or get knocked out.

    Royce Gracie used to choke everybody out then in a most efficient, but boring manner.

    It has changed significantly for the worse and I have to agree with the last post that UFC has become somewhat 'impure'.
    Post edited by Thirty Bills Unpaid on
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    I still remember my friends and I travelling on the bus from university to hit a pub that would show ultimate fighting (very few pubs showed these fights back then). This was in 1990 and it was 'tournament style ' where fighters would advance to the finals after 2 pre-final fights. There were no rounds- the fight went as long as it took for someone to tap out or get knocked out.

    Royce Gracie used to choke everybody out then in a most efficient, but boring manner.

    It has changed significantly for the worse and I have to agree with the last post that UFC has become somewhat 'impure'.

    I remember those first 4 ufc tournaments. Like you said, no rounds, no weight classes. It was "real" disciplined street fighting. I believe it was pretty much banned (or at least not sanctioned anywhere). Only 3 rules: no biting, no eye poking, and no dick punching. Other than that, it was on!

    Gracie won 3 of the first 4. He would have won all 4 but he opted not to participate in the third event.
  • r00thless91r00thless91 Posts: 43
    Not to be mean but when I first saw this, I thought he was faking an injury like they always do in soccer. Then I realized the dude was dead and said "well, shit." Cry wolf I guess..
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