Idf soldiers told to kill civilians •*graphic

badbrains

*post deleted cuz quote wasn't verified. Sorry guys

badbrains

Interesting, article on racism:

http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.611822?v=C1FFA498A4B3F60AC8696D3A46E2F4D2

rafie

badbrains said:

A little bit harsh no?

https://twitter.com/rachelmicheleg/status/494862736850186240

Would be if it was not a completely bogus quote. Took me two seconds to find an article debunking it. I am on a hand held device, so I can not post the link, but just type "our race is the master race" into google and it will give you plenty of results explaining the history of this false quote.

BB, I expect more from you. Just becaise something is on the internet does not make it true...

rafie

Byrnzie said:

rafie said:

A four year old boy was killed earlier today when a mortar shell fired from Gaza hit his house. Yesterday a rocket fell on a pre-school killing the father of one of the children (he literally used himself as a human shield to protect his son). More have been severely injured.

Can the Hamas apologists here please stop spouting their idiotic sound bytes of: "Hamas does not target civilians" and "the rockets that hamas is firing are nothing more than fireworks".

And before you start spouting numbers of how many have been killed in Gaza the last 2 days, please remember that it was Hamas that broke the week long cease fire on Tuesday.

So that's one Israeli child killed, and 469 Palestinian children killed. And your condemnation is reserved for Hamas? Interesting.

My condemnation was actualy directed at you, but I guess you did not catch that... The second section of the post are direct quotes of yours. I would like to see you try to defend them, but you would just re-direct as usual.

rafie

badbrains said:

dancinacrossthewater said:

That one really shook me up

Imagine how the mother or father feel? The brother? The sister? Maybe the grandfather or grandmother? Uncle? Niece? Cousin? You can't EVER heal those scars. Someone posted about a 4 year old kid in Israel getting killed today, 1 kid. Yet hundreds and hundreds of gaza children like the one I posted have been killed. Why? Is that ok? Because they're Palestinians? Aren't they humans too? Put an Israel kid where that kid was and he'd end up looking just like him. What does that say to future Palestinians? When and if they grow up,'what do they tell their young?

BB, is it really just a numbers game to you? Can't you accept that BOTH sides are suffering. If we ever want to stop the insane cycle of violence, we need to stop looking at this as an "us against them" issue. I will use your own words: is it ok that the israeli boy was killed because he was israeli? Aren't israelis human too?

Please accept the fact that even though the death toll on the israeli side is low, it does not mean that millions of israelis are not living in fear for their lives. As long as we keep playing "the blame game" nothing will ever change.

Byrnzie

rafie said:

My condemnation was actualy directed at you, but I guess you did not catch that... The second section of the post are direct quotes of yours. I would like to see you try to defend them, but you would just re-direct as usual.

How many rockets have been fired at Israel? 2000? 3000? How many Israeli's have been killed by them? Two? They're just big fireworks. They're about the most primitive sort of weapon available in this day and age.

And before you pretend that the Iron Dome has saved hundreds, or thousands of lives, it hasn't. According to many experts on the Iron Dome system, it's responsible for intercepting approx 10% of rockets. Also, there was no Iron Dome during Operation Cast Lead and the rockets still only managed to kill about two people.
You've got more chance of being hit by lightning in Israel than by a Palestinian rocket.

Byrnzie

badbrains said:

A little bit harsh no?

https://twitter.com/rachelmicheleg/status/494862736850186240

It's debatable whether he said that.

Though he did say the following:


"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
Iron Wall, p. 25 & Simha Flapan, p. 32

"Israel will not transfer Judea, Samaria, and the Gaza District to any foreign sovereign authority, [because] of the historic right of our nation to this land, [and] the needs of our national security, which demand a capability to defend our State and the lives of our citizens."
Iron Wall, (p. 356)

rafie

To those of you that doubted it when israel claimed that hamas kidnapped and murdered the three israeli teens two months ago (the specific act that started this current round of hostilities), halad mashal, the leader of hamad, has admited it. There is a video on yahoo news for whoever is interested in hearing for themselves.

gimmesometruth27

i like when israel apologists come in and try to twist someone's position when the very people that they cite as a paragon of virtue say something that can be interpreted more than one way, with the most common way being in a way that is detrimental to the poster's position....

carry on though....

Byrnzie

rafie said:

To those of you that doubted it when israel claimed that hamas kidnapped and murdered the three israeli teens two months ago (the specific act that started this current round of hostilities), halad mashal, the leader of hamad, has admited it. There is a video on yahoo news for whoever is interested in hearing for themselves.

It would probably help your credibility if you could at least manage to get his name right.


...Is it as convincing as all those Youtube videos you posted that purportedly proved that Hamas used civilians as human shields?

rafie

Byrnzie said:

rafie said:

To those of you that doubted it when israel claimed that hamas kidnapped and murdered the three israeli teens two months ago (the specific act that started this current round of hostilities), halad mashal, the leader of hamad, has admited it. There is a video on yahoo news for whoever is interested in
hearing for themselves.

It would probably help your credibility if you could at least manage to get his name right.


...Is it as convincing as all those Youtube videos you posted that purportedly proved that Hamas used civilians as human shields?

What a suprise, more re-direction from you when the statements you claim to be 100% fact are proven false. Would not expect anything less from you.

And for what it's worth, i did get his name right: halad mashal (parden me if my spelling of it is different then what you are used to. Here it is in hebrew if you prefer חאלד משעל).

fuck

rafie said:

Byrnzie said:

rafie said:

To those of you that doubted it when israel claimed that hamas kidnapped and murdered the three israeli teens two months ago (the specific act that started this current round of hostilities), halad mashal, the leader of hamad, has admited it. There is a video on yahoo news for whoever is interested in
hearing for themselves.

It would probably help your credibility if you could at least manage to get his name right.


...Is it as convincing as all those Youtube videos you posted that purportedly proved that Hamas used civilians as human shields?

What a suprise, more re-direction from you when the statements you claim to be 100% fact are proven false. Would not expect anything less from you.

And for what it's worth, i did get his name right: halad mashal (parden me if my spelling of it is different then what you are used to. Here it is in hebrew if you prefer חאלד משעל).

No, his name is Khaled, not halad. Israelis love saying Khamas instead of hamas, and now you can't get Khaled right? lol

Oh, and it's also a lie. He didn't say that. It was allegedly another Hamas official (Samih al-Aruri) who's residing in Turkey, and it doesn't seem like it reflects anything else we've been hearing. Until more information comes forward, it's worth ignoring.

dancinacrossthewater

Me and badbrains hit a good place in thread near the top of this page. I'm gonna keep drawing attention to that for a while.

rafie

fuck said:

rafie said:

Byrnzie said:

rafie said:

To those of you that doubted it when israel claimed that hamas kidnapped and murdered the three israeli teens two months ago (the specific act that started this current round of hostilities), halad mashal, the leader of hamad, has admited it. There is a video on yahoo news for whoever is interested in
hearing for themselves.

It would probably help your credibility if you could at least manage to get his name right.


...Is it as convincing as all those Youtube videos you posted that purportedly proved that Hamas used civilians as human shields?

What a suprise, more re-direction from you when the statements you claim to be 100% fact are proven false. Would not expect anything less from you.

And for what it's worth, i did get his name right: halad mashal (parden me if my spelling of it is different then what you are used to. Here it is in hebrew if you prefer חאלד משעל).

No, his name is Khaled, not halad. Israelis love saying Khamas instead of hamas, and now you can't get Khaled right? lol

Oh, and it's also a lie. He didn't say that. It was allegedly another Hamas official (Samih al-Aruri) who's residing in Turkey, and it doesn't seem like it reflects anything else we've been hearing. Until more information comes forward, it's worth ignoring.

I was not talking about Samih al-Aruri, I was talking about Khaled Mashal. He also acknowleged that hamas was responsible for the murders.

Byrnzie

rafie said:

I was not talking about Samih al-Aruri, I was talking about Khaled Mashal. He also acknowleged that hamas was responsible for the murders.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/.premium-1.602871
Khaled Meshal, head of the Hamas political bureau, told Sky News in Arabic on Wednesday that his organization is not behind the kidnapping and murder of the three Israeli teens in the West Bank.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Jul-26/265229-hamas-not-complicit-in-teens-kidnap-israeli-police.ashx#axzz3BCaUyYor
The Israeli Police Foreign Press Spokesman, Micky Rosenfeld, appears to have falsified the Israeli government’s claim that Hamas was responsible for the killing of three Israeli settler teens in June, by saying responsibility lies with a lone cell that operated without the complicity of Hamas’ leadership.

...At the time Israeli authorities placed the blame squarely on Hamas, with Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu saying "They were kidnapped and murdered in cold blood by animals in human form. Hamas is responsible and Hamas will pay."

Friday however, there appeared to be break in the official line when BBC journalist Jon Donnison tweeted a series of statements he attributed to the Israeli Police Foreign Press Spokesman, Micky Rosenfeld.

“Israeli police MickeyRosenfeld tells me men who killed 3 Israeli teens def[initely] lone cell, Hamas affiliated but not operating under leadership1/2.”

“Seems to contradict the line from Netanyahu government. 2/2”

The journalist then goes on to tweet a further statement from Rosenfeld which, given that Israeli authorities used Hamas’ culpability as a pretext for its crackdown of the West Bank that saw hundreds of Palestinians arrested and several killed, could cast serious doubts on the Israeli government’s justifications.

“Israeli police spokes Mickey Rosenfeld also said if kidnapping had been ordered by Hamas leadership, they'd have known about it in advance.”

rafie

rafie said:

fuck said:

rafie said:

Byrnzie said:

rafie said:

To those of you that doubted it when israel claimed that hamas kidnapped and murdered the three israeli teens two months ago (the specific act that started this current round of hostilities), halad mashal, the leader of hamad, has admited it. There is a video on yahoo news for whoever is interested in
hearing for themselves.

It would probably help your credibility if you could at least manage to get his name right.


...Is it as convincing as all those Youtube videos you posted that purportedly proved that Hamas used civilians as human shields?

What a suprise, more re-direction from you when the statements you claim to be 100% fact are proven false. Would not expect anything less from you.

And for what it's worth, i did get his name right: halad mashal (parden me if my spelling of it is different then what you are used to. Here it is in hebrew if you prefer חאלד משעל).

No, his name is Khaled, not halad. Israelis love saying Khamas instead of hamas, and now you can't get Khaled right? lol

Oh, and it's also a lie. He didn't say that. It was allegedly another Hamas official (Samih al-Aruri) who's residing in Turkey, and it doesn't seem like it reflects anything else we've been hearing. Until more information comes forward, it's worth ignoring.

I was not talking about Samih al-Aruri, I was talking about Khaled Mashal. He also acknowleged that hamas was responsible for the murders.

It looks like yahoo has removed the video for some reason, but plenty of news sites have reported on it. I am still on a handheld device, so I can not post any links, but just do a quick google news search on khaled meshal and you will find an article in english from an indian news site called zeenews.india.com.

badbrains

Holocaust survivors on massacre of gaza

https://twitter.com/alexbkane/status/503169596296560640

Byrnzie

badbrains said:

Holocaust survivors on massacre of gaza

https://twitter.com/alexbkane/status/503169596296560640

Good stuff. Just goes to show that not all Jews support Israel, and even less support it's crimes against the Palestinians.

dancinacrossthewater

Yeah no issue with this. Good for them.

badbrains

Another good read:

http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.612085?v=483609CFEE22E55453F4C6B76BE53E00