Police abuse

mickeyrat

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Merkin Baller

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

DewieCox said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

"Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 

A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 

If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?

Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.

It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.

Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 

So 50 years ago you don't think there were "groups" that cheered the killing of police officers or even targeted them? That's a broad definition for "acceptable" by the way. 

There were groups that cheered the killing of Kennedy...MLK, etc. NOT acceptable.

I'm sure there always have been.
But the anti-police crowd seems stronger now than even just 10 years ago. I dont think someone who signed up to be a cop 10 or 12 years ago projected what the job would be like today. I dont like the "well they signed up for it" argument in response to police killings. Doesn't make sense to me. No one signed up for that.Sure, maybe they'd thought they'd be cussed out, but never shot in the back of the head while writing a report. 
Maybe its just because of the internet and we see the videos now, but it seems worse than 10 years ago. I wouldn't have pictured what I saw happening before. If you havent seen those videos, I think its worth watching. 2 innocent people got shot and the witnesses just laugh and mock them trying to bandage themselves and call for help.
And back to my first point. When I hear blue lives matter its not about being anti black, its protesting killings like that.

Where has it been said "well they signed up for it" in response to police killings? 

I don't know a single person here or in real life who encourages or approves of police killings. 

He's referring to my comment but I just meant that if you are going to be a cop you know that your life will be on the line all the time. It's unfortunate that some of them become targets because of the actions of others. But that is likely why cops assault seemingly innocent people as well...because of the actions of others they automatically assume you deserve a beatdown.

The executions of those cops was horrifying. 

The response of the people who blocked the ambulances etc was equally horrifying. Our society's deeply fucked, no argument there... but to suggest "the community" encourages or finds acceptable the murder of police based on those incidents is nonsense. It's a sweeping generalization, and no different or any less wrong than saying all cops are murderous racists.

The state I've lived in my entire life is as blue as it gets, and literally no one I know or have ever known finds the killing of police officers acceptable. 

I believe both those cops in that example actually survived. Probably don't live normal lives I would guess.
And by community it can be just a local neighborhood, and it has become way more normalized to behave in that way.
When bystanders videotape an attempted murder, cheer on the would be killer and mock the victims in public, how is it nonsense to interpret that as the community, made up of those individuals, has now made violence towards cops acceptable? In. many similiar neighborhoods across the country they marched and chanted to kill police. Not one person offered help to those 2 cops. It wasn't an active scene, the shooter fled, there was plenty of opportunity to offer help. Instead they mocked them as they lay there bleeding. That is almost as disgusting as the shooting. When you can shoot 2 cops in the open and every single bystander cheers you on, then then protest at the hospital to let you die, then yes, the community you are in and serve has accepted violence towards cops. I'm sure the majority of communities are like yours and would would not support that, but the small number that do are growing. 
Theres a big difference between 1 rapper singing about killing police to sell records and a large group chanting to do it. it has become normalized to commit violence towards cops in some places. A lot more than it used to be it seems like.

If you view the two cops being shot as a reflection of a community, how do you view the attack on the US Capitol and the police officers protecting it? As a reflection of a community?

Yeah, I’ve never once defended the 1/6 attack.  They were idiots.

Didn’t you at the time blame it on lingering resentment over the BLM protests? 

Not lingering resentment. I think I said something along the lines as they may have felt empowered by the 2020 riots. That’s not defending them. It’s still wrong.

Ah, didn’t defend them, but put some blame for 1/6 on the BLM riots all the same. 

Got it. 

Correction: for the riots that followed the BLM protests. 

mace1229

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

DewieCox said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

"Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 

A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 

If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?

Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.

It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.

Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 

So 50 years ago you don't think there were "groups" that cheered the killing of police officers or even targeted them? That's a broad definition for "acceptable" by the way. 

There were groups that cheered the killing of Kennedy...MLK, etc. NOT acceptable.

I'm sure there always have been.
But the anti-police crowd seems stronger now than even just 10 years ago. I dont think someone who signed up to be a cop 10 or 12 years ago projected what the job would be like today. I dont like the "well they signed up for it" argument in response to police killings. Doesn't make sense to me. No one signed up for that.Sure, maybe they'd thought they'd be cussed out, but never shot in the back of the head while writing a report. 
Maybe its just because of the internet and we see the videos now, but it seems worse than 10 years ago. I wouldn't have pictured what I saw happening before. If you havent seen those videos, I think its worth watching. 2 innocent people got shot and the witnesses just laugh and mock them trying to bandage themselves and call for help.
And back to my first point. When I hear blue lives matter its not about being anti black, its protesting killings like that.

Where has it been said "well they signed up for it" in response to police killings? 

I don't know a single person here or in real life who encourages or approves of police killings. 

He's referring to my comment but I just meant that if you are going to be a cop you know that your life will be on the line all the time. It's unfortunate that some of them become targets because of the actions of others. But that is likely why cops assault seemingly innocent people as well...because of the actions of others they automatically assume you deserve a beatdown.

The executions of those cops was horrifying. 

The response of the people who blocked the ambulances etc was equally horrifying. Our society's deeply fucked, no argument there... but to suggest "the community" encourages or finds acceptable the murder of police based on those incidents is nonsense. It's a sweeping generalization, and no different or any less wrong than saying all cops are murderous racists.

The state I've lived in my entire life is as blue as it gets, and literally no one I know or have ever known finds the killing of police officers acceptable. 

I believe both those cops in that example actually survived. Probably don't live normal lives I would guess.
And by community it can be just a local neighborhood, and it has become way more normalized to behave in that way.
When bystanders videotape an attempted murder, cheer on the would be killer and mock the victims in public, how is it nonsense to interpret that as the community, made up of those individuals, has now made violence towards cops acceptable? In. many similiar neighborhoods across the country they marched and chanted to kill police. Not one person offered help to those 2 cops. It wasn't an active scene, the shooter fled, there was plenty of opportunity to offer help. Instead they mocked them as they lay there bleeding. That is almost as disgusting as the shooting. When you can shoot 2 cops in the open and every single bystander cheers you on, then then protest at the hospital to let you die, then yes, the community you are in and serve has accepted violence towards cops. I'm sure the majority of communities are like yours and would would not support that, but the small number that do are growing. 
Theres a big difference between 1 rapper singing about killing police to sell records and a large group chanting to do it. it has become normalized to commit violence towards cops in some places. A lot more than it used to be it seems like.

If you view the two cops being shot as a reflection of a community, how do you view the attack on the US Capitol and the police officers protecting it? As a reflection of a community?

Yeah, I’ve never once defended the 1/6 attack.  They were idiots.

Didn’t you at the time blame it on lingering resentment over the BLM protests? 

Not lingering resentment. I think I said something along the lines as they may have felt empowered by the 2020 riots. That’s not defending them. It’s still wrong.

Ah, didn’t defend them, but put some blame for 1/6 on the BLM riots all the same. 

Got it. 

No, just stated an opinion that’s 2 years old now. Saying 1 group watching another group protest and feel empowered to do so doesn’t put blame on anyone. Just an opinion. Breaching the Capitol is wrong, I’ve never said otherwise. You have a great memory, I won’t remember this conversation in 2 days.

mickeyrat

Killed by police since 2015.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/police-shootings-database-2015-2022-search-by-race-age-department/

Merkin Baller

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

DewieCox said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

"Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 

A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 

If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?

Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.

It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.

Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 

So 50 years ago you don't think there were "groups" that cheered the killing of police officers or even targeted them? That's a broad definition for "acceptable" by the way. 

There were groups that cheered the killing of Kennedy...MLK, etc. NOT acceptable.

I'm sure there always have been.
But the anti-police crowd seems stronger now than even just 10 years ago. I dont think someone who signed up to be a cop 10 or 12 years ago projected what the job would be like today. I dont like the "well they signed up for it" argument in response to police killings. Doesn't make sense to me. No one signed up for that.Sure, maybe they'd thought they'd be cussed out, but never shot in the back of the head while writing a report. 
Maybe its just because of the internet and we see the videos now, but it seems worse than 10 years ago. I wouldn't have pictured what I saw happening before. If you havent seen those videos, I think its worth watching. 2 innocent people got shot and the witnesses just laugh and mock them trying to bandage themselves and call for help.
And back to my first point. When I hear blue lives matter its not about being anti black, its protesting killings like that.

Where has it been said "well they signed up for it" in response to police killings? 

I don't know a single person here or in real life who encourages or approves of police killings. 

He's referring to my comment but I just meant that if you are going to be a cop you know that your life will be on the line all the time. It's unfortunate that some of them become targets because of the actions of others. But that is likely why cops assault seemingly innocent people as well...because of the actions of others they automatically assume you deserve a beatdown.

The executions of those cops was horrifying. 

The response of the people who blocked the ambulances etc was equally horrifying. Our society's deeply fucked, no argument there... but to suggest "the community" encourages or finds acceptable the murder of police based on those incidents is nonsense. It's a sweeping generalization, and no different or any less wrong than saying all cops are murderous racists.

The state I've lived in my entire life is as blue as it gets, and literally no one I know or have ever known finds the killing of police officers acceptable. 

I believe both those cops in that example actually survived. Probably don't live normal lives I would guess.
And by community it can be just a local neighborhood, and it has become way more normalized to behave in that way.
When bystanders videotape an attempted murder, cheer on the would be killer and mock the victims in public, how is it nonsense to interpret that as the community, made up of those individuals, has now made violence towards cops acceptable? In. many similiar neighborhoods across the country they marched and chanted to kill police. Not one person offered help to those 2 cops. It wasn't an active scene, the shooter fled, there was plenty of opportunity to offer help. Instead they mocked them as they lay there bleeding. That is almost as disgusting as the shooting. When you can shoot 2 cops in the open and every single bystander cheers you on, then then protest at the hospital to let you die, then yes, the community you are in and serve has accepted violence towards cops. I'm sure the majority of communities are like yours and would would not support that, but the small number that do are growing. 
Theres a big difference between 1 rapper singing about killing police to sell records and a large group chanting to do it. it has become normalized to commit violence towards cops in some places. A lot more than it used to be it seems like.

If you view the two cops being shot as a reflection of a community, how do you view the attack on the US Capitol and the police officers protecting it? As a reflection of a community?

Yeah, I’ve never once defended the 1/6 attack.  They were idiots.

Didn’t you at the time blame it on lingering resentment over the BLM protests? 

Not lingering resentment. I think I said something along the lines as they may have felt empowered by the 2020 riots. That’s not defending them. It’s still wrong.

Ah, didn’t defend them, but put some blame for 1/6 on the BLM riots all the same. 

Got it. 

No, just stated an opinion that’s 2 years old now. Saying 1 group watching another group protest and feel empowered to do so doesn’t put blame on anyone. Just an opinion. Breaching the Capitol is wrong, I’ve never said otherwise. You have a great memory, I won’t remember this conversation in 2 days.

Cool. 

Halifax2TheMax

Every damn day it seems like it.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/27/us/hialeah-city-florida-officers-charges-homeless-man-alleged-beating/index.html

gimmesometruth27

https://twitter.com/Marcelius_B/status/1619097417374384128?s=20&t=poxF0Y1S3vRuGgLYud8osg

lastexitlondon

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1619131836495536128?t=fr01UbTsltm6TfybtlRYvA&s=19

Great job usa.  Those dirty  cowards  fist bumping  after beating this man to death. Shameful

josevolution

Back the blue is totally a rally call against BLM protesters! Back the blue says zero about stopping the violence.

Out of My Mind and Time

What drugs was Tyre on?

What was his criminal record? Why resist arrest?

lastexitlondon

Out of My Mind and Time said:

What drugs was Tyre on?

What was his criminal record? Why resist arrest?

I didnt see him resist in that video. He lay on the floor they beat him so he tried to escape. Why were they beating him when he was on his front face down like they asked.

josevolution

Out of My Mind and Time said:

What drugs was Tyre on?

What was his criminal record? Why resist arrest?

Dude the cops have been charged! Obviously their was enough evidence of a crime committed by these cops to warrant an arrest and charges! Did you attend any rallies yet for Orange man 2024 is right around the corner 

josevolution

Out of My Mind and Time said:

What drugs was Tyre on?

What was his criminal record? Why resist arrest?

so he deserved what he got? Even if he was on drugs and had a criminal record or resisted arrest dying from getting beat is not what’s supposed to happen at all! 

mace1229

Out of My Mind and Time said:

What drugs was Tyre on?

What was his criminal record? Why resist arrest?

No criminal record. Toxicology and coroner’s report still out I believe.

mace1229

lastexitlondon said:

Out of My Mind and Time said:

What drugs was Tyre on?

What was his criminal record? Why resist arrest?

I didnt see him resist in that video. He lay on the floor they beat him so he tried to escape. Why were they beating him when he was on his front face down like they asked.

He did resist multiple times. They had a hard time cuffing him,  he got up and ran.  I don’t know if all of that was before or after the abuse began, I think at least some of it was before. It did look like they had a hard time getting the cuffs on from the very beginning.

That being said, the use of force was way beyond what is appropriate and charges of murder seem like the right call.

23scidoo

lastexitlondon said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1619131836495536128?t=fr01UbTsltm6TfybtlRYvA&s=19

Great job usa.  Those dirty  cowards  fist bumping  after beating this man to death. Shameful

τhe country of freedom Rob..lol..

gimmesometruth27

Out of My Mind and Time said:

What drugs was Tyre on?

What was his criminal record? Why resist arrest?

none of this is relevant. hard to obey commands when officers are giving you conflicting commands.

gimmesometruth27

mace1229 said:

lastexitlondon said:

Out of My Mind and Time said:

What drugs was Tyre on?

What was his criminal record? Why resist arrest?

I didnt see him resist in that video. He lay on the floor they beat him so he tried to escape. Why were they beating him when he was on his front face down like they asked.

He did resist multiple times. They had a hard time cuffing him,  he got up and ran.  I don’t know if all of that was before or after the abuse began, I think at least some of it was before. It did look like they had a hard time getting the cuffs on from the very beginning.

That being said, the use of force was way beyond what is appropriate and charges of murder seem like the right call.

if you were being beaten would you lay there and take it or would you try to flee? he had already been hit in the head before he got up and ran. brain trauma could have caused that. when you are getting beat up your fight or flight takes over.

nicknyr15

I refuse to watch the video but I can’t imagine it justifies 5 cops beating someone to death. 

lastexitlondon

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

lastexitlondon said:

Out of My Mind and Time said:

What drugs was Tyre on?

What was his criminal record? Why resist arrest?

I didnt see him resist in that video. He lay on the floor they beat him so he tried to escape. Why were they beating him when he was on his front face down like they asked.

He did resist multiple times. They had a hard time cuffing him,  he got up and ran.  I don’t know if all of that was before or after the abuse began, I think at least some of it was before. It did look like they had a hard time getting the cuffs on from the very beginning.

That being said, the use of force was way beyond what is appropriate and charges of murder seem like the right call.

if you were being beaten would you lay there and take it or would you try to flee? he had already been hit in the head before he got up and ran. brain trauma could have caused that. when you are getting beat up your fight or flight takes over.

Agreed