The massacre in Syria

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  • SivanMerili
    SivanMerili Ashdod, Israel Posts: 133
    Im not sure in what you blame me, but this issue is really close to my heart, from many reasons.
    The main one is the childern from Syria that got madical care in Israeli hospitals, and they still are.
    So.. Is Asaad still hurting his own people?
  • SivanMerili
    SivanMerili Ashdod, Israel Posts: 133
    I think this thread have a great potential to be very educational.
    For me as well.
    Thanks for your will to help me with it.
    Really appreciate it. :)
  • SivanMerili
    SivanMerili Ashdod, Israel Posts: 133
    How the battle between Assads regime and the freedom movment started?
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    SivanMerili said:

    ISIS is not part of al-quaidda?

    ISIS was formed from multiple rebel groups, including Al Qaeda in Iraq, and Al Nusra (the group used by western powers in both Libya and Syria).
    SivanMerili said:

    Im not sure in what you blame me, but this issue is really close to my heart, from many reasons.
    The main one is the childern from Syria that got madical care in Israeli hospitals, and they still are.
    So.. Is Asaad still hurting his own people?

    Children? You mean rebel fighters? Maybe the odd kid for photo ops? The issue is close to your heart because the propaganda you read makes you feel better about your country. But....it's just that. Those hospitals were not set up to help kids, don't let your government fool you. BTW - the 'Israeli' hospitals you refer to are built on occupied Syrian land....


    I posted this in the other thread I linked to above. I will post it once more before I drop this thread.

    Israeli Military Support to Syria Al Qaeda Terrorists, Operating out of the Golan Heights
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-military-support-to-syria-al-qaeda-terrorists-operating-out-of-the-golan-hights/5369619


    The Jerusalem Post has reported on Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s visit to the IDF field hospital in the occupied Golan heights.

    This hospital was set up to treat wounded Al Nusrah mercenaries, who are directly supported by the Israeli military operating out of the Golan Heights. The JP acknowledges that the hospital is being used to support the jihadist insurgency.

    Netanyahu referred to the Hospital as the place which “separates the good in the world from the evil in the world.”

    “The good”, according to Netanyahu “is Israel”, which in a bitter irony wholeheartedly supports the Al Qaeda “freedom fighters” in Syria; “the bad” refers to Iran which supports Bashar Al Assad.

    The good, the prime minister said, is Israel, which “saves lives from the daily slaughter taking place in Syria. This is the true face of Israel.”

    The evil, he continued, is Iran, which is arming those carrying out the slaughter. (Jerusalem Post, February 19, 2014)

    While the IDF field hospital was established to support Al Qaeda in an operation coordinated by IDF Special Forces, Netanyahu casually accuses Iran for “its support of terrorist groups around the world”. (JP, February 19, 2014)

    The IDF top brass tacitly acknowledges that “global jihad elements inside Syria” are supported by Israel.

    Netanyahu toured the Golan Heights with Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon and IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Benny Gantz.

    At a lookout point overlooking the Syrian border, OC Northern Command Maj.-Gen. Yair Golan briefed Netanyahu on the presence of global jihad elements inside Syria, as well as on the work being done to fortify the Israeli-Syrian border fence. (Ibid)
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    syria should sort itself out. whomever wins, wins.

    the lesson to be learned here is simple...

    only try to overthrow your government when you know you will win the war.

    do not rely on the rest of the world to get involved in your conflict on your behalf, because you will only end up losing.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • SivanMerili
    SivanMerili Ashdod, Israel Posts: 133
    I was part of a group that visited injured children from Syria in Israeli hospitals.
    Are you saying im a liar?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    People are being pretty cold towards Sivan here.

    I can't gauge sincerity with 100% accuracy... there may be an agenda with the introduction of this topic and there's a bit of a language barrier (no offence intended)... but this thread was started and hostilities are apparent from discourse in other threads.

    If you care to help Sivan out... then do so. As crappy as I can be on this forum at times, and hardly the champion of good manners, I just wish to point out that I think it is poor to come to this thread- wearing your hat from another thread- to essentially ridicule them. People seem to have made things personal.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    my comment was directed at any potential revolutionaries out there. it was nothing personal.

    all i said is, if you want a civil war, only try to overthrow the government when you know that you will win. otherwise you get the drawn out conflict that we see in syria today.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • SivanMerili
    SivanMerili Ashdod, Israel Posts: 133
    Im trying to over come the language barrier, but im not always able to do so.
    So i believe that people here do understand my point at the end.
    So.. Im happy with that.

  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Lots of moderators on this board lately, eh?
    Mind your manners, indeed.


    Not calling you a liar, Sivan. But do you really think your government is going to let you visit the rebels they're helping? (Fuck, sucked in again :)) )
  • SivanMerili
    SivanMerili Ashdod, Israel Posts: 133
    They were children man, ages: 4-10.
    We gave them goodies; candies, snacks, gifts.
    Im not sure how a 4 year old boy or a girl can rebel someone or understand what it is...

    And im free to do here whatever i want as long as its legal.
    Visiting injured children is legal.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Lol. I didn't say you couldn't visit children. I asked if you thought your government would aid Islamic extremists covertly, then let the public go visit them. And I did acknowledge that they were likely helping some kids. You've confirmed this. Good!

    Does that mean there are no other intentions for the hospital? No, of course not. Jpost is the source, it's not like I made this up.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    People are being pretty cold towards Sivan here.

    I can't gauge sincerity with 100% accuracy... there may be an agenda with the introduction of this topic and there's a bit of a language barrier (no offence intended)... but this thread was started and hostilities are apparent from discourse in other threads.

    If you care to help Sivan out... then do so. As crappy as I can be on this forum at times, and hardly the champion of good manners, I just wish to point out that I think it is poor to come to this thread- wearing your hat from another thread- to essentially ridicule them. People seem to have made things personal.

    Bah. You're a good egg, Thirty.

    Just me, or have these threads sort of melded together by now? Not that the points made have been lost on me but holy shit, whole lotta shakin' goin' on.

    Gonna (gotta!) seek out the Lounge Car later.
  • SivanMerili
    SivanMerili Ashdod, Israel Posts: 133
    Of course they do.
    I think that youre mistaken about the Israeli government.
    And i dont think its your fault. Youre not living here, so youre not familiar with the inside conductes here.
    I dont even know where are you from to see if i can invite you here, to stay at my place for as long as youll be visiting here.

    Hehehe i already dicided for you that youre coming to Israel.. :D
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    SivanMerili said:

    Of course they do.
    I think that youre mistaken about the Israeli government.
    And i dont think its your fault. Youre not living here, so youre not familiar with the inside conductes here.
    I dont even know where are you from to see if i can invite you here, to stay at my place for as long as youll be visiting here.

    Hehehe i already dicided for you that youre coming to Israel.. :D

    I don’t need to live there to know what’s going on. I know there are many different factions of Israeli society, some of whom support equal rights and disavow the occupation and violence against Palestinians. Honestly, if you’re telling me I am mistaken about the Israeli government, and you’re repeating the lines that the offensive in gaza is the best defence, I don’t think you’re one of them.
    Still….send pics and I’ll consider visiting :P Will you come to the West Bank with me? aaaahhhh….who am I kidding. I’d probably be lynched or shipped out of the country within five minutes of opening my mouth….if they’d even let me in, based on my online postings, support for BDS, and participation in activist orgs that are critical of Israel.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Drowned Out said:

    Lots of moderators on this board lately, eh?
    Mind your manners, indeed.


    Not calling you a liar, Sivan. But do you really think your government is going to let you visit the rebels they're helping? (Fuck, sucked in again :)) )

    I wasn't trying to be a dickhead, Drowned, and I wasn't necessarily singling anyone out. I respect your posts and you.

    This was a new thread... I checked it out... and I was just taken aback by the tone of it. It went sour really quickly. I felt badly for Sivan to be honest.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    hedonist said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    People are being pretty cold towards Sivan here.

    I can't gauge sincerity with 100% accuracy... there may be an agenda with the introduction of this topic and there's a bit of a language barrier (no offence intended)... but this thread was started and hostilities are apparent from discourse in other threads.

    If you care to help Sivan out... then do so. As crappy as I can be on this forum at times, and hardly the champion of good manners, I just wish to point out that I think it is poor to come to this thread- wearing your hat from another thread- to essentially ridicule them. People seem to have made things personal.

    Bah. You're a good egg, Thirty.

    Just me, or have these threads sort of melded together by now? Not that the points made have been lost on me but holy shit, whole lotta shakin' goin' on.

    Gonna (gotta!) seek out the Lounge Car later.
    Cheers, Hedo!

    You are right. It seems as if everyone is frenzied or fevered these days. I know there is a lot going on. Maybe its good people are riled up? Maybe its not? I don't know.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Lots of moderators on this board lately, eh?
    Mind your manners, indeed.


    Not calling you a liar, Sivan. But do you really think your government is going to let you visit the rebels they're helping? (Fuck, sucked in again :)) )

    I wasn't trying to be a dickhead, Drowned, and I wasn't necessarily singling anyone out. I respect your posts and you.

    This was a new thread... I checked it out... and I was just taken aback by the tone of it. It went sour really quickly. I felt badly for Sivan to be honest.
    What up Thirty! I believe the reason this thread went sour fast is because a lot of us don't feel that the op was being genuine in starting this post. She never posted before on syria and all of a sudden with all the Israel bashing going on, she started a syria thread conveniently. That's what I believe. Could be wrong....
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited July 2014
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Lots of moderators on this board lately, eh?
    Mind your manners, indeed.


    Not calling you a liar, Sivan. But do you really think your government is going to let you visit the rebels they're helping? (Fuck, sucked in again :)) )

    I wasn't trying to be a dickhead, Drowned, and I wasn't necessarily singling anyone out. I respect your posts and you.

    This was a new thread... I checked it out... and I was just taken aback by the tone of it. It went sour really quickly. I felt badly for Sivan to be honest.
    All good man. I, in turn, WAS kinda trying to be a dick. In a nicely, semi-dick-ish way. Cause, well....I'm kind of a dick :P :)) Actually, a smart ass is probably more accurate as it pertains to my moderator comment. THere has been a lot of people trying to moderate discussions here lately. While I appreciate the sentiment, it doesn't do much.....and no one has broken any rules.
    In the end, I know what you're saying, and why you said it; totally understand where you're coming from. Still, I'm glad you left an opening to question sincerity....Sivan was being backed into a corner in other threads, and IMHO, used a deflection tactic I've seen probably a hundred times in the past couple weeks in online debates - try to call Israel's critics out over Syria in order to make them look like hypocrites by implying that Assad is a terrorist who deserves to be condemned (along with their own government?).....when the situations are totally different, and some of us have spoken out about public perception of that situation as well. It rubbed me the wrong way....and I think I've been able to do my usual skirting of personal/topical comments without breaking any rules. I'm not generally too concerned about coming across as cold to someone who i feel is using another peoples tragedy to distract from the one they're supporting.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Bad and Drowned...

    What you are saying has not been lost on me.
    "My brain's a good brain!"

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