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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    JimmyV said:

    Hamas is winning?

    Hamas may be winning in its PR game, but so long as Palestinians remain without liberation, and the death tolls get higher - the Palestinians certainly aren't winning. Unfortunately, I feel that tonight the killing resumes when Israel rejects the cease-fire conditions. If anyone cares to respond, I've asked three times now throughout this thread (as recently as two pages ago) about the logic of Hamas' ten-year truce conditions.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JimmyV said:

    Hamas is winning?

    did you read the article?
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,599
    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Hamas is winning?

    did you read the article?
    Yes. The author himself admits that being a freedom fighter preceeds any rational thinking. If it is just a PR war then I can see a case being made that Hamas is winning. Maybe that will translate to real gains for the Palestinian people in Gaza, maybe it won't. I would not go so far as saying the people in Gaza are winning anything right now.

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Hamas is winning?

    did you read the article?
    Yes. The author himself admits that being a freedom fighter preceeds any rational thinking. If it is just a PR war then I can see a case being made that Hamas is winning. Maybe that will translate to real gains for the Palestinian people in Gaza, maybe it won't. I would not go so far as saying the people in Gaza are winning anything right now.

    where does it say hamas? because i read gaza and the resistance

    explain this.."The author himself admits that being a freedom fighter preceeds any rational thinking"
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Hamas is winning?

    did you read the article?
    Yes. The author himself admits that being a freedom fighter preceeds any rational thinking. If it is just a PR war then I can see a case being made that Hamas is winning. Maybe that will translate to real gains for the Palestinian people in Gaza, maybe it won't. I would not go so far as saying the people in Gaza are winning anything right now.

    where does it say hamas? because i read gaza and the resistance

    explain this.."The author himself admits that being a freedom fighter preceeds any rational thinking"
    I can't explain that - I wish I could. NOTHING should precede rational thinking when using guns and rockets.

    And again - there are no shades of grey to the fact that Palestinians are either liberated, or not. There is no "almost" liberated, and therefore there is no such thing as being in the process of "winning" for the Palestinians. Hamas can be winning, because the only logical goal I can think of from sending rockets in Israel's direction is the knowledge of disproportionate response from Israel, and swaying of public opinion: this is how Hamas is winning.

    Palestinians are either dying and oppressed or not. Are they dying? Yes. Are they oppressed? Yes. So are they winning? You decide.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,599
    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Hamas is winning?

    did you read the article?
    Yes. The author himself admits that being a freedom fighter preceeds any rational thinking. If it is just a PR war then I can see a case being made that Hamas is winning. Maybe that will translate to real gains for the Palestinian people in Gaza, maybe it won't. I would not go so far as saying the people in Gaza are winning anything right now.

    where does it say hamas? because i read gaza and the resistance

    explain this.."The author himself admits that being a freedom fighter preceeds any rational thinking"
    The sixth paragraph of the article. I would copy and paste but I am on my phone. And no, that wasn't the point he was trying to make. I just found the word choice interesting given the discussion of who is winning.

    I read Gaza and the resistance, too. But what resistance movement did his friend join if not Hamas? I assumed (maybe incorrectly) that is who and what the author was speaking of.

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/kindergartens-propaganda-netanyahu.html

    Terror tunnels to kindergarten!
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    You will never ever see or hear this on American tv or radio. No no never never!

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/13/an-interview-with-richard-falk-on-the-crisis-in-gaza/
  • rafie
    rafie Posts: 2,160
    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Hamas is winning?

    did you read the article?
    Yes. The author himself admits that being a freedom fighter preceeds any rational thinking. If it is just a PR war then I can see a case being made that Hamas is winning. Maybe that will translate to real gains for the Palestinian people in Gaza, maybe it won't. I would not go so far as saying the people in Gaza are winning anything right now.

    Hamas is 100% winning the PR war. I have stated repeatedly that that is what they care about instead of the well being of the people of gaza. After all, Halad Mashal stated last week that they "won". I have no idea how 1800 deaths can be considered a win except during a PR war.
    For the record, I don't believe that there is such a thing as "winning" when it comes to war. Everyone loses during war time...
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  • dancinacrossthewater
    dancinacrossthewater Posts: 800
    Hamas has won the PR war, guys. Won it.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/13/nyregion/palestinian-ambassador-invites-cuomo-to-visit-occupied-territories.html?referrer=

    How many US policy makers traveled to Palestine vs Israel, I'm sure it's "grossly disproportionate"
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    http://www.worldbulletin.net/news/141870/israeli-official-calls-for-concentration-camps-in-gaza

    Is that a spoof or real?
  • dancinacrossthewater
    dancinacrossthewater Posts: 800
    If it's real, it's scary. The nuts on the right have been saying that in Israel for a long time, though
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2014
    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Senators-want-UNRWA-investigated-over-troubling-Gaza-role-370897

    Accusing UNRWA of maintaining active and extensive ties with Hamas— and of supporting its activities throughout the month-long war— Senate Foreign Relations Committee members Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) wrote a letter this week to US Secretary of State John Kerry accusing the UN agency of bias and characterizing its role in the conflict as "troubling."

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    Follow the money... contributions
    Mark Kirk Pro-Israel $715,160
    Ben Cardin $799,665


    http://maplight.org/us-congress/interest/J5100/view/all
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    JC29856 said:

    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Senators-want-UNRWA-investigated-over-troubling-Gaza-role-370897

    Accusing UNRWA of maintaining active and extensive ties with Hamas— and of supporting its activities throughout the month-long war— Senate Foreign Relations Committee members Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) wrote a letter this week to US Secretary of State John Kerry accusing the UN agency of bias and characterizing its role in the conflict as "troubling."

    Opensecrets.org
    Follow the money... contributions
    Mark Kirk Pro-Israel $715,160
    Ben Cardin $799,665


    http://maplight.org/us-congress/interest/J5100/view/all

    I think that's a double-standard as well. For the record, Ben Cardin's pro-Israel contributions were $249,553, and Mark Kirk's were $747,029. Thankfully, the UN has shown that their positions are not subject to the US's, and hopefully things will remain that way.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2014
    For the record Cardin career total $799k

    I'm sure that letter was written for them.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    edited August 2014
    JC29856 said:

    For the record Cardin career total $799k

    I'm sure that letter was written for them.

    Care to show where you found that? From the website that you linked to (http://maplight.org/us-congress/interest/J5100/view/all):

    "Contributions shown for the last six years of available data, Jan 1, 2008 - Dec 31, 2013, including contributions to presidential campaigns."

    Just as I will continue to do for anyone here, regardless of their position, your information is not valid nor of positive use unless you substantiate it.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    benjs said:

    JC29856 said:

    For the record Cardin career total $799k

    I'm sure that letter was written for them.

    Care to show where you found that? From the website that you linked to (http://maplight.org/us-congress/interest/J5100/view/all):

    "Contributions shown for the last six years of available data, Jan 1, 2008 - Dec 31, 2013, including contributions to presidential campaigns."

    Just as I will continue to do for anyone here, regardless of their position, your information is not valid nor of positive use unless you substantiate it.
    Are you fucking stupid? Seriously?

    Opensecrets.org
    Follow the money... contributions
    Mark Kirk Pro-Israel $715,160
    Ben Cardin $799,665
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    You ever hear of the saying "you can lead a dumb fuck to words but you can't make him read"?
  • dancinacrossthewater
    dancinacrossthewater Posts: 800
    This doesn't seem very civil to me.
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