Gaza ***GRAPHIC PICS***

PhillyCrownOfThorns

JC29856 said:

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4555937,00.html

At least we know Hamas is ready when the truce breaks down. There are some amazing pictures of uniformed pictures "jihad" strolling Gaza cities. At least the fighters are protected...

at least we know this is an unbiased source...Roi Kais

It's all the same!

JC29856

Instant classic...impossible demands!

http://www.newsweek.com/end-ceasefire-looms-hamass-impossible-demands-263478

JC29856

A text message from Hamas’ military wing, the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades, warned there would be no extension of the ceasefire if there was no agreement to permanently lift the blockade enforced by Israel and Egypt since the militant group overran Gaza in 2007.
Hamas has demanded the lifting of an Israeli and Egyptian blockade imposed on the coastal territory. Israel has said the militants must disarm first, which al-Masri rejected.

http://thestar.com/#/article/news/world/2014/08/07/israel_and_hamas_harden_positions_as_talks_on_extending_gaza_truce_continue_in_cairo.html

JC29856

Anyone think these are unreasonable..

Withdrawal of Israeli tanks from the Gaza border.

Freeing all the prisoners that were arrested after the killing of the three youths.

Lifting the siege and opening the border crossings to commerce and people.

Establishing an international seaport and airport which would be under U.N. supervision.

Increasing the permitted fishing zone to 10 kilometers.

Internationalizing the Rafah Crossing and placing it under the supervision of the U.N. and some Arab nations.

International forces on the borders.

Easing conditions for permits to pray at the Al Aqsa Mosque.

Prohibition on Israeli interference in the reconciliation agreement.

Reestablishing an industrial zone and improvements in further economic development in the Gaza Strip.

benjs

JC29856 said:

Anyone think these are unreasonable..

Withdrawal of Israeli tanks from the Gaza border.

Freeing all the prisoners that were arrested after the killing of the three youths.

Lifting the siege and opening the border crossings to commerce and people.

Establishing an international seaport and airport which would be under U.N. supervision.

Increasing the permitted fishing zone to 10 kilometers.

Internationalizing the Rafah Crossing and placing it under the supervision of the U.N. and some Arab nations.

International forces on the borders.

Easing conditions for permits to pray at the Al Aqsa Mosque.

Prohibition on Israeli interference in the reconciliation agreement.

Reestablishing an industrial zone and improvements in further economic development in the Gaza Strip.

I disagree with what they've asked for. Israel - who allowed for the death of over 1,500 human beings in the name of the security of their citizens - are incapable based on their own vendetta against Hamas of opening the border crossings to commerce and people. The same logic applies as well in regards to the withdrawal of Israeli tanks. Traffic in and out would quickly become just as restricted as it is now, and all of a sudden, things would be back right now because Hamas will not cease the resistance until the Israeli presence in Palestinian life is missing, and Israeli presence in Palestinian life will not go anywhere until Hamas ceases to resist.

Asking for the right to govern Gaza and the West Bank independently, on the other hand, has similar results with some notable exceptions:
-Freeing all the prisoners: this would be a matter of contention. If Palestine is to exist as a nation, they would have to possess a prison: the prisoners could be transferred to Palestinian prisons run with international assistance.
-Lifting the siege and opening the border crossings to commerce and people: this could only happen with international supervision.
-Israeli settlements would have to be dismounted and removed from Gaza and the West Bank
-International accountability for terrorist attacks would reside solely with Hamas. Liability would be shifted from Israel to the Palestinian Unity government in its entirety.

Any ideas as to why it was decided to ask for the former and not the latter?

bootlegger10

JC29856 said:

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4555937,00.html

At least we know Hamas is ready when the truce breaks down. There are some amazing pictures of uniformed pictures "jihad" strolling Gaza cities. At least the fighters are protected...

at least we know this is an unbiased source...Roi Kais

It is interesting that any pro-Israel article is biased, a lie or at the least scrutinized, but every article, tweet, post, or whatever that is supportive of Palestine is accepted as fact without question.

dignin

It's time for Hammas to put down their weapons. While they still have the worlds attention. Otherwise I think this may be all for nothing....and Israel will bide their time until the world forgets and they "mow the lawn" again.

rafie

bootlegger10 said:

JC29856 said:

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4555937,00.html

At least we know Hamas is ready when the truce breaks down. There are some amazing pictures of uniformed pictures "jihad" strolling Gaza cities. At least the fighters are protected...

at least we know this is an unbiased source...Roi Kais

It is interesting that any pro-Israel article is biased, a lie or at the least scrutinized, but every article, tweet, post, or whatever that is supportive of Palestine is accepted as fact without question.

My thoughts exactly. Not saying that there is no such thing as biased media, but it exists on both sides.

rafie

Cease fire has officially ended and hamas has begun firing riockets again :(

Byrnzie

dignin said:

It's time for Hammas to put down their weapons. While they still have the worlds attention. Otherwise I think this may be all for nothing....and Israel will bide their time until the world forgets and they "mow the lawn" again.

Why don't you ask for the Israeli's to put down their weapons too?

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves under international law.

rafie

Byrnzie said:

dignin said:

It's time for Hammas to put down their weapons. While they still have the worlds attention. Otherwise I think this may be all for nothing....and Israel will bide their time until the world forgets and tat the lawn" again.

Why don't you ask for the Israeli's to put down their weapons too?

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves under international law.

I don't know why i keep responding to you, i mean you never actually respond to the completely logical answers i give or admit when you are wrong (ie the ridiculous article you posted yesterday that i proved was a lie...), but here goes: your suggustion is ridiculous for two reasons 1) he suggested that hamas put down their weapons, not the palestinians. Don't you see a difference? The only ones that the people of gaza have to worry about (besids hamas of course...) is israel. If israel gaurentees, with international guarentees, not to attack at all if gaza becomes a demilitirized zone, than there would be no need for them to have weapons. Spend the money on schools and hospitals instead of rockets and tunnels.
2) unfortuntely, israel has many enemies that would like to erase her from the map (syria, iran, el-quida...). If israel became a demiliterised country, how long do you think that it would take until israel was attacked?

I wish that this was a viable option. That way, i would not have to report to reserve duty every year and my children would not have to serve when they reach the age of 18. The huge amounts of money spent every year on security could go to more important things like schools (i am a teacher and know fierst hand how important this is), infrastructure, hospitals...

JC29856

Please refer to my articles in reference as pro truth if you prefer the pro anti thing.
Please don't compare the violence of the occupier/oppressor to the resistance of the oppressed.

JC29856

Once

JC29856

How does the us t.v. media paint the end of ceasefire? Let's wait and see...my guess
1. Start with Ebola story
2. Hamas broke ceasefire by firing rockets
Israel responding with hitting targets (i personally love the "hitting targets" term used. i just haven't figured it out why they use it? Implying that they are precise unlike Hamas rockets but then are 2000 civilians and 450 children targets? Or is it because they can say fired on Israel 12,189 times only hitting 8000 targets (the rest civilians...ooops) compared to Hamas 3000 or so rockets but anyway.
3. Go to the Hawaii hurricane
4. Now backed to failed ceasefire agreements talks then put on Netnyahoo blaming Hamas for everything including his hemorrhoids.
5. Then a story on global terrorism

JC29856

Someone explain how Hamas disarms? Be specific...its the reason Israel says why they rejected the agreement.
I cannot find the specifics of what they mean? "Disarm?"
What about the factions outside of Hamas, are they also to disarm?
Or the guy that just seen his 3 kids murdered 11days ago, should he disarm?
I understand the blockage lifting and open borders i just don't know what disarming specially means?
Can they "somewhat" disarm?

rr165892

dignin said:

It's time for Hammas to put down their weapons. While they still have the worlds attention. Otherwise I think this may be all for nothing....and Israel will bide their time until the world forgets and they "mow the lawn" again.

Yep

rr165892

Byrnzie said:

dignin said:

It's time for Hammas to put down their weapons. While they still have the worlds attention. Otherwise I think this may be all for nothing....and Israel will bide their time until the world forgets and they "mow the lawn" again.

Why don't you ask for the Israeli's to put down their weapons too?

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves under international law.

They did and now your peaceful freedom fighters are at it again.Im sure they have the Palestinian general publics well being in mind right?

JC29856

Please define put down their arms?
What does disarm mean?

PhillyCrownOfThorns

JC29856 said:

How does the us t.v. media paint the end of ceasefire? Let's wait and see...my guess
1. Start with Ebola story
2. Hamas broke ceasefire by firing rockets
Israel responding with hitting targets (i personally love the "hitting targets" term used. i just haven't figured it out why they use it? Implying that they are precise unlike Hamas rockets but then are 2000 civilians and 450 children targets? Or is it because they can say fired on Israel 12,189 times only hitting 8000 targets (the rest civilians...ooops) compared to Hamas 3000 or so rockets but anyway.
3. Go to the Hawaii hurricane
4. Now backed to failed ceasefire agreements talks then put on Netnyahoo blaming Hamas for everything including his hemorrhoids.
5. Then a story on global terrorism

How do you want it covered? Stop watching cnn and go to Aljazeera. You will find the same report... Except for Netanyahu interviews, it will be with Gaza citizens preparing for more war.

Awesome!

JC29856

I want to see the story about Vinnie the upright walking bear!

Disarm?