Imagine That -- I’m Still Anti-War

dignin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Byrnzie said:

PJ_Soul said:

What are YOU doing for the people being slaughtered in Gaza?????? As far as I can tell, all you're doing is making people disengage from the topic on a rock band's message board.

I've already answered that question, about half-a dozen times.

I've read a lot of your posts on this subject for the better part of a month now, Byrnzie.

I can honestly say I don't recall you mentioning what you were 'actively' doing for the people of Palestine. You may have said what it is you are doing- other than dominating PJ's forums on the subject- but whatever it might be... it's hardly so dignified that you can dismiss someone so rudely as you did to backseatlover a page back.

That was seriously uncool. Not quite as uncool as the over-the-top-rapid-exchanges-of-memes-that-all-basically-said-the-same-thing... but still really uncool.

The street runs both ways. I've been following this thread from the start and some may play innocent but they can throw mud with the best of them.

dignin

Israel calls limited truce amid global fury

Seven-hour pause announced after attack on school prompts outcry but Hamas warns Gazans to 'take extreme caution'.
Last updated: 04 Aug 2014 03:05



Israel announced it would be holding its fire in most of Gaza for seven hours on Monday, amid world outrage over a deadly strike on a UN school in the Palestinian territory.

The limited and unilateral truce came after world powers fiercely condemned the attack that left 10 Palestinians sheltering at a school dead, as Israel was pulling some of its troops from Gaza.



The truce will only apply to parts of the Gaza strip where there is currently no military activity.

The announcement was received with distrust by the Palestinian group Hamas, whose spokesman in Gaza, Sami Abu Zuhri, warned the lcoal population to be wary.

"Israel’s so called humanitarian ceasefire is unilateral and it comes in a time when the Zionist enemy wants to distract the world from the massacres they have committed against our people in Gaza," Abu Zuhri told its Al-Aqsa television station.

"We don’t trust their intentions and we ask our people to take extreme caution."

The Israeli army said the seven-hour "humanitarian window" would take place between 0700-1400 GMT in all of the Palestinian enclave except the area east of the southern city of Rafah, "where clashes were still ongoing and there was Israeli military presence."

The army warned in a statement that it would "respond to any attempt to exploit this window" and attack civilians and soldiers during the truce.

It also said that residents of Abasan al Kabira and Abasan al Saghira, two villages east of Khan Yunis in southern Gaza, could return home.

The Israeli army said that it had on Sunday targeted three Islamic Jihad fighters on a motorbike "in vicinity of an UNRWA school in Rafah."

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called the attack on the school sheltering some 3,000 Palestinians who had fled their homes due to the fighting "a moral outrage and a criminal act".

"This madness must stop," he said.

Israel 'sorry'

US State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Washington was "appalled" by the attack and called for a "full and prompt" investigation.

"Israel must do more to meet its own standards and avoid civilian casualties," she said.

French President Francois Hollande said the bombing of the school was "unacceptable", backing calls by Ban "to ask that those responsible for this violation of international law answer for their actions", without saying who he considered responsible.

In a statement early on Monday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said "Israel does not aim its fire at civilians and is sorry for any attack that unintentionally hits civilians," without directly addressing the attack on the school.

Israeli strikes on Gaza continued on Monday and killed 11 people, among them an Islamic Jihad commander, raising the death toll since the July 8 beginning of the confrontation to over 1,820 according to Palestinian medical sources.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/israel-calls-limited-truce-amid-global-fury-201483233045146462.html

dignin

UN calls attack on Gaza school 'criminal act'. Says Israel told of coordinates 33 times, last time just 1hr before hit that killed 10

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-conflict-israel-declares-7-hour-humanitarian-ceasefire-1.2726449

TalonTedd

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Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Byrnzie said:

PJ_Soul said:

What are YOU doing for the people being slaughtered in Gaza?????? As far as I can tell, all you're doing is making people disengage from the topic on a rock band's message board.

I've already answered that question, about half-a dozen times.

I've read a lot of your posts on this subject for the better part of a month now, Byrnzie.

I can honestly say I don't recall you mentioning what you were 'actively' doing for the people of Palestine. You may have said what it is you are doing- other than dominating PJ's forums on the subject- but whatever it might be... it's hardly so dignified that you can dismiss someone so rudely as you did to backseatlover a page back.

That was seriously uncool. Not quite as uncool as the over-the-top-rapid-exchanges-of-memes-that-all-basically-said-the-same-thing... but still really uncool.

The street runs both ways. I've been following this thread from the start and some may play innocent but they can throw mud with the best of them.

Message received. Thanks.

Maybe it wasn't my place to speak without having kept myself abreast of the discussion.

righteousbabe

Byrnzie said:

backseatLover12 said:

Funny that you pretend that those of us opposed to the latest Israeli massacre of Palestinians are somehow pro-war.

Either way, it's not a war. A war is when two armies are fighting.

Pearl Jam put Chomsky's image on a skateboard so you have to think they largely agree with the things he has talked about. And his opinions on Israel Palestine have been a major part of what he has talked about.

Aafke

I believe education is really important in the matter of every subject, but especially this one.. But education is not taking just one site for granted and blame it all on the other side....

Lets make myself perfectly clear on where I stand in this matter...


But that doesn't take away my ability to admit that also there is fear and grief on Isrealian site

Byrnzie

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/04/cash-weapons-surveillance

Each time Israel attacks Gaza and massacres its trapped civilian population – at the end of 2008, in the fall of 2012, and now again this past month – the same process repeats itself in both U.S. media and government circles: the U.S. government feeds Israel the weapons it uses and steadfastly defends its aggression both publicly and at the U.N.; the U.S. Congress unanimously enacts one resolution after the next to support and enable Israel; and then American media figures pretend that the Israeli attack has nothing to do with their country, that it’s just some sort of unfortunately intractable, distant conflict between two equally intransigent foreign parties in response to which all decent Americans helplessly throw up their hands as though they bear no responsibility.

Aafke

Byrnzie said:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/04/cash-weapons-surveillance

Each time Israel attacks Gaza and massacres its trapped civilian population – at the end of 2008, in the fall of 2012, and now again this past month – the same process repeats itself in both U.S. media and government circles: the U.S. government feeds Israel the weapons it uses and steadfastly defends its aggression both publicly and at the U.N.; the U.S. Congress unanimously enacts one resolution after the next to support and enable Israel; and then American media figures pretend that the Israeli attack has nothing to do with their country, that it’s just some sort of unfortunately intractable, distant conflict between two equally intransigent foreign parties in response to which all decent Americans helplessly throw up their hands as though they bear no responsibility.

First of all I'm no American, second of all I've invested a lot off time reading about this conflict since the early 90's. Tird of all I've read this statement in an other threat in AMT. Where you at the Washington demonstration? I was in Amsterdam last sunday, a pro Palistina demo by the way... Don't be so hasty to put people in a corner, You're like a loose canon attacking people, which do have a slightly different opinion than you, on most part we do agree, but by your offensive way off speaking to others, you do more harm to your cause than you do support it. Listen to what others say, and do be so hasty to judge...

JimmyV

"The truce will only apply to parts of the Gaza strip where there is currently no military activity."

Not much of a truce then, is it?

JimmyV

Somehow I had never seen this...

http://youtu.be/qqPzS8Y27Ks

Byrnzie

Aafke said:

Byrnzie said:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/04/cash-weapons-surveillance

Each time Israel attacks Gaza and massacres its trapped civilian population – at the end of 2008, in the fall of 2012, and now again this past month – the same process repeats itself in both U.S. media and government circles: the U.S. government feeds Israel the weapons it uses and steadfastly defends its aggression both publicly and at the U.N.; the U.S. Congress unanimously enacts one resolution after the next to support and enable Israel; and then American media figures pretend that the Israeli attack has nothing to do with their country, that it’s just some sort of unfortunately intractable, distant conflict between two equally intransigent foreign parties in response to which all decent Americans helplessly throw up their hands as though they bear no responsibility.

First of all I'm no American, second of all I've invested a lot off time reading about this conflict since the early 90's. Tird of all I've read this statement in an other threat in AMT. Where you at the Washington demonstration? I was in Amsterdam last sunday, a pro Palistina demo by trhe way... Don't be so hasty to put people in a corner, You're like a loose canon attacking people, who do have a slightly different opinion than you, on most part we do agree, but by your offensive way off speaking to others, you do more harm to your cause than you do support it. Listen to what others say, and do be so hasty to judge...

First of all, the article above wasn't directed at you.
Second of all, I couldn't care less what anyone thinks about me. I know I'm a good person. I speak my mind, and as far as political issues are concerned I try to avoid opinions and beliefs and stick to the facts instead. And if anyone happens to be offended by the information I post then I really couldn't care less. As far as I'm concerned, it's their problem.

Aafke

Look to this film, two colliding views of the world...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m2o-qYGI_A

I do Agree with professor Norman Finkelstein on this one, but you can clearly see the different view the Israeli's have on the point of the 'war', they also see themselves as victims and the fear of the girl is real, no matter if you agree with her point of view or not...

hedonist

Byrnzie, I'm not offended by the plethora of information you've culled or the links you post. I'm not even offended by your comments and opinions, though many of them do come off as patronizing, to be polite - even entertaining! - in how they're presented. If you don't care that It takes away from the validity and sincerity of the message, so be it.

Signed,
Another "good person"

brianlux

Byrnizie, I too am not offended by the information you disseminate here. Much of it it educational and useful. It's the personal attacks that get in the way of making that information more accessible.

I'm bad, bad to the bone. LOL!

backseatLover12

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Byrnzie said:

PJ_Soul said:

What are YOU doing for the people being slaughtered in Gaza?????? As far as I can tell, all you're doing is making people disengage from the topic on a rock band's message board.

I've already answered that question, about half-a dozen times.

I've read a lot of your posts on this subject for the better part of a month now, Byrnzie.

I can honestly say I don't recall you mentioning what you were 'actively' doing for the people of Palestine. You may have said what it is you are doing- other than dominating PJ's forums on the subject- but whatever it might be... it's hardly so dignified that you can dismiss someone so rudely as you did to backseatlover a page back.

That was seriously uncool. Not quite as uncool as the over-the-top-rapid-exchanges-of-memes-that-all-basically-said-the-same-thing... but still really uncool.

The street runs both ways. I've been following this thread from the start and some may play innocent but they can throw mud with the best of them.

Message received. Thanks.

Maybe it wasn't my place to speak without having kept myself abreast of the discussion.

Maybe you should read for yourself and see where I have posted that I was done with the personal attacks, yet he continued and I ignored him.

Some people are bent on wrecking a thread, a thread that was suppose to be about peace. Congrats. (not you 30Bills)

backseatLover12

backseatLover12 said:

backseatLover12

fuck said:

backseatLover12 said:

So, how many people made it to Washington for the National March on the White House: End the Massacre in Gaza yesterday?

I was there. Were you?

That's awesome that you were there. I just found out about it yesterday. How was it?

backseatLover12

backseatLover12

JimmyV said:

Somehow I had never seen this...

http://youtu.be/qqPzS8Y27Ks

Good one.