Imagine That -- I’m Still Anti-War

brianlux

The worst kind of conflict is the one you are in the middle of. The war in Gaza is worse than anything we can imagine but the war between people you consider as friends on both sides is the kind that hurts on a personal level.
Not at all because I'm apathetic but, I wish I could block this thread permanently from my computer.

Byrnzie

Leezestarr313 said:

You cannot expect everybody who chimes in here to know about your personal history with this the conflict. This thread is on the Porch. Not many people who frequent it are regular visitors of AMT. You who think they are in the know and maybe are want to enlighten and educate others who have not reached your point of knowledge yet. To me, as a "newb" in this whole thing, as someone who is interested in educating themselves, the tone in here is offputting. Yes, it is a topic where opinions are strong and where emotions rage high. But like I said before, the sound makes the music. At least to me. If somebody just belittles everything I say as somebody who has not been informing themselves for a couple of years, I do not feel like following the convo any longer. And then this whole thread is becoming a joke, because people who come in here to read, do not do it for the informational value, but just for checking out how the roosters are fighting.

I have no problem with somebody admitting that they don't really understand the conflict. But I do have a problem with people who don't understand anything about it posting the Fox News narrative - something they heard said on the t.v - as a fact, or with people calling for apathy, and criticizing those people who are trying to do something to change the situation.

Byrnzie

BS44325 said:

To suggest that he fears for his "own children" because of what Israel or the jews might do to them is pretty ridiculous.

Maybe he's politically torn on this issue. Maybe he doesn't think it's black and white. Maybe he wants to see an end to the Israel military action and an end to Hamas rockets and kidnappings.

But what do I know...I clearly have less then half a brain and no common sense.

Or maybe he doesn't want to be labelled an anti-Semite.
Maybe he doesn't want to get sucked into it. Once you take a firm stand on this issue and publicly oppose Israel's race war against the Palestinians, then there's no going back. Everything you say and everything you do will be scrutinized by Israel's army of internet warriors. Maybe he just doesn't need the hassle?

JimmyV

Or maybe, as he said, he is still just antiwar. No more and no less.

Byrnzie

JimmyV said:

Or maybe, as he said, he is still just antiwar. No more and no less.

It's not a war, it's a massacre. A war is when two armies are fighting.

JimmyV

http://youtu.be/CTz65D91oVM

backseatLover12

Oh Byrnzie, how I love you so…

LMFAO

backseatLover12

Leezestarr313 said:

You cannot expect everybody who chimes in here to know about your personal history with this the conflict. This thread is on the Porch. Not many people who frequent it are regular visitors of AMT. You who think they are in the know and maybe are want to enlighten and educate others who have not reached your point of knowledge yet. To me, as a "newb" in this whole thing, as someone who is interested in educating themselves, the tone in here is offputting. Yes, it is a topic where opinions are strong and where emotions rage high. But like I said before, the sound makes the music. At least to me. If somebody just belittles everything I say as somebody who has not been informing themselves for a couple of years, I do not feel like following the convo any longer. And then this whole thread is becoming a joke, because people who come in here to read, do not do it for the informational value, but just for checking out how the roosters are fighting.

The roosters don't know how to move back to AMT and leave this one to peace.

backseatLover12

brianlux said:

The worst kind of conflict is the one you are in the middle of. The war in Gaza is worse than anything we can imagine but the war between people you consider as friends on both sides is the kind that hurts on a personal level.
Not at all because I'm apathetic but, I wish I could block this thread permanently from my computer.

Or have the mods just lock it, because some people insist on derailing it constantly?

dankind

JimmyV said:

http://youtu.be/CTz65D91oVM

Thanks, JimmyV.

NOW THAT'S ANTI-WAR!

See the distinction?

It's a protestation -- angry, aggressive.

A simple yet impassioned and dangerous message to deliver: Fuck everyone (weapons industry, governments, etc.) who deals in the business of mass death and destruction, and I hope that you all rot in fucking hell!!!

It is not simply a plea for an ideal. Pro-peace is safe and easy. Shit, the CEO of Lockheed Martin is probably pro-peace.

Anti-war is wearing your heart on your sleeve, no matter the consequences (arrest, imprisonment, surveillance, abuse at the hands of the authorities, unemployment, ostricization, alienation, etc.).

And for those who ridicule the flower child silencing the gun as a dumb, spaced-out hippie. Think about what she's doing. Think about what was going on at that point in time in history. Think about the animosity that existed between our soldiers (drafted and otherwise) and those they were sworn to protect. Think about the animosity that existed between her generation and the State in general, sometimes ending in brutality and death (see Kent State, read brianlux's personal experiences, etc.). Her action was probably braver than anything that just about any one of us has done in our entire lives.

Imagine seeing an anti-war Israeli do the same to an IDF soldier's firearm. Or even a Palestinian civilian doing so to a Hamas rocket launcher. That would be laudable courage, right?

It's about as anti-war as you can get.

backseatLover12

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Byrnzie said:

Leezestarr313 said:

You cannot expect everybody who chimes in here to know about your personal history with this the conflict. This thread is on the Porch. Not many people who frequent it are regular visitors of AMT. You who think they are in the know and maybe are want to enlighten and educate others who have not reached your point of knowledge yet. To me, as a "newb" in this whole thing, as someone who is interested in educating themselves, the tone in here is offputting. Yes, it is a topic where opinions are strong and where emotions rage high. But like I said before, the sound makes the music. At least to me. If somebody just belittles everything I say as somebody who has not been informing themselves for a couple of years, I do not feel like following the convo any longer. And then this whole thread is becoming a joke, because people who come in here to read, do not do it for the informational value, but just for checking out how the roosters are fighting.

I have no problem with somebody admitting that they don't really understand the conflict. But I do have a problem with people who don't understand anything about it posting the Fox News narrative - something they heard said on the t.v - as a fact, or with people calling for apathy, and criticizing those people who are trying to do something to change the situation.

You missed her point, Byrzine (cant get over that! ) ).

She basically expressed that she was genuinely interested in seeking information, questioning the crisis, and seeking answers from those that could help her.

As Leez essentially stated, she feels vulnerable participating in this discussion because of the open hostility displayed. I feel that at least here, we would do better exercising a level of tolerance to encourage more participation and broadening the spectrum of informed people... therefore, ultimately generating a groundswell of support for the issue you care so deeply about.

For example, I though 'fuck', in the MT, did an exemplary job of detailing much of the history of the current climate for the Gaza Strip. He never spoke down to anyone and he took his time to carefully and succinctly detail relevant aspects of the past which has led to our current reality.

I'm not following this thread as closely as I'm following the threads in the MT, so I'm not sure if she posted a link and got destroyed for doing it (like so many others)... but I think the level of patience and tolerance has gone out the window at times with regards to this topic.

Byrnzie

backseatLover12 said:

That's nice.

Meanwhile...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/03/israel-air-strike-un-school-gaza-rafah

Israeli air strike hits UN school in Gaza

Ten people killed and dozens wounded in new missile attack on UN-run school in Rafah, according to witnesses

theguardian.com, 3 August 2014

An Israeli air strike has killed at least 10 people and wounded about 30 others in a UN-run school in the southern Gaza Strip, witnesses and medics said, as dozens died in renewed Israeli shelling of the enclave.

The Israeli military declined immediate comment on the attack, the second to hit a UN school in less than a week.

A missile launched by an aircraft struck the entrance to the school in Rafah, the witnesses and medics said.

Witnesses said there was an explosion at about 10.30am just outside the gates of the Rafah Preparatory A Boys school.

A group of children and some adults were buying sweets and biscuits from hawkers.

There have been a considerable number of air strikes in the area overnight and on Sunday morning. Witnesses said there was a deep hole in the ground about eight metres from the school gates that was new, and blood on the floor was being cleaned up.

More than 2,000 people were thought to be seeking refuge in the school, many of them from the east of Rafah where there has been very heavy bombing since Friday, with at least 100 people thought to have been killed in the last few days.

Last Wednesday, at least 15 Palestinians who sought refuge in a UN-run school in Jabalya refugee camp were killed during fighting, and the UN said it appeared that Israeli artillery had hit the building.

Byrnzie

backseatLover12

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Byrnzie said:

Leezestarr313 said:

You cannot expect everybody who chimes in here to know about your personal history with this the conflict. This thread is on the Porch. Not many people who frequent it are regular visitors of AMT. You who think they are in the know and maybe are want to enlighten and educate others who have not reached your point of knowledge yet. To me, as a "newb" in this whole thing, as someone who is interested in educating themselves, the tone in here is offputting. Yes, it is a topic where opinions are strong and where emotions rage high. But like I said before, the sound makes the music. At least to me. If somebody just belittles everything I say as somebody who has not been informing themselves for a couple of years, I do not feel like following the convo any longer. And then this whole thread is becoming a joke, because people who come in here to read, do not do it for the informational value, but just for checking out how the roosters are fighting.

I have no problem with somebody admitting that they don't really understand the conflict. But I do have a problem with people who don't understand anything about it posting the Fox News narrative - something they heard said on the t.v - as a fact, or with people calling for apathy, and criticizing those people who are trying to do something to change the situation.

You missed her point, Byrzine (cant get over that! ) ).

She basically expressed that she was genuinely interested in seeking information, questioning the crisis, and seeking answers from those that could help her.

As Leez essentially stated, she feels vulnerable participating in this discussion because of the open hostility displayed. I feel that at least here, we would do better exercising a level of tolerance to encourage more participation and broadening the spectrum of informed people... therefore, ultimately generating a groundswell of support for the issue you care so deeply about.

For example, I though 'fuck', in the MT, did an exemplary job of detailing much of the history of the current climate for the Gaza Strip. He never spoke down to anyone and he took his time to carefully and succinctly detail relevant aspects of the past which has led to our current reality.

I'm not following this thread as closely as I'm following the threads in the MT, so I'm not sure if she posted a link and got destroyed for doing it (like so many others)... but I think the level of patience and tolerance has gone out the window at times with regards to this topic.

This is for Leeze.

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/5902177/9-questions-about-the-israel-palestine-conflict-you-were-too

backseatLover12

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