Border and immigration crisis.

Godfather.

mickeyrat said:

ummm because yeah, Murica!!!!!

http://www.alternet.org/10-militias-bring-firepower-border-children-continue-cross


Armed Militias Massing at Border to 'Protect' America From Small Children
Armed with semi-automatic weapons, 10 vigilante groups are prowling the Texas-Mexico border.


July 29, 2014 |


Militia groups are starting to line the border between Texas and Mexico to protect the region from an influx of refugee children, despite warnings from state lawmakers and U.S. Customs and Border Protection to stand down.

The militias have provided dozens of pictures to the media of their members “guarding” the border while carrying what appear to be semi-automatic rifles. The members in the photos are wearing tactical gear and military-style balaclavas that shield their identities (other photos show militia members with their faces blurred out).

Reportedly, 10 or more militias have descended on the border while child refugees from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala continue to make the long trek and crossing to the United States. So far, an estimated 50,000 unaccompanied children have crossed the border.

The invasion of children has inspired groups such as The Oathkeepers, Three Percenters, and Patriots to rally their members to the border. They are reportedly lining the border between El Paso and The Rio Grande.

Texas State Senator Leticia Van de Putte has condemned the actions of militia groups, criticizing them for "pointing guns at children.”

Van de Putte, a San Antonio Democrat who is running for Lieutenant Governor, said, “The presence of these outside independent militia groups does nothing to secure the border; it only creates an unsafe situation for law enforcement officials that are protecting our communities. Unfortunately, the vile rhetoric of my opponent inspires misguided efforts."

Van de Putte was criticizing statements by State Senator Dan Patrick, a Houston Republican, who is also running for lieutenant governor. Patrick has declared the Honduran and Guatemalan children to be a “safety threat” and gang members and potential terrorists could exploit the porous border.

In a statement released yesterday, Texas Democrats called on Patrick and Attorney General Greg Abbott — the GOP gubernatorial nominee — to denounce the "armed vigilantes." Abbott and Patrick have yet to respond.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is warning that militias that rallied behind scofflaw rancher Cliven Bundy this Spring may also be focusing on the immigrant-child crisis as it intensifies. Mark Potok, a senior fellow at SPLC, says it’s “possible that people at the Bundy ranch are headed toward the Texas border now."

Potok says that militias are now posting online messages urging their followers to deploy in response to the crisis. "We don’t know if these calls to go to the border are going to get much response at all,” he told the Los Angeles Times. “It’s very unclear if this is just talk or actually developing.”

One militia, led by a 37-year-old truck driver named Chris Davis, began to deploy along the border earlier this month. Davis was seen in a YouTube video advising followers to aggressively confront those attempting a border crossing.

"You see an illegal. You point your gun dead at him, right between his eyes, and you say, 'Get back across the border or you will be shot,'" Davis says in the video that was posted on his channel.

The video has reportedly been removed after a McAllen, Texas newspaper highlighted it earlier this month. Davis is now claiming that his militia, Secure Our Border, only intends to supplement law-enforcement efforts along the border despite law enforcement officials in Texas saying their help is not needed in the Rio Grande Valley.

“There’s nothing malicious, there’s no malicious intent—every person is vetted,” Davis told The Los Angeles Times. “We’re just here to serve freedom, liberty and national sovereignty.”

Davis was discharged from the U.S. Army in 2001 under less-than-honorable conditions to avoid court-martial proceedings, according to the San Antonio Express-News.

Micky lets think about this for a second, Armed Militias are gathering at the borders and yet these mexican familys are still sending their kids to the border ?
now obama has created such a huge mess with our borders that armed citizens are protecting them now ?
has any other president done such a bad job that armed citizens rally to America's defense ?
and what of these mexican familys crossing by the hunderds and using children and endangering children to run across the border ?
blaming the people of the United States of America for protecting their country from everything from simple ilegal immigrents to drug lords and gang members is just crazy,
what would you have American citizens do ? just watch as illegal immigation and the crime that comes with it distroys our country ?
it's not as simple as a bunch of kids running across the border,the dirt bags that send thies kids and use them for a human shield should be beat into submission.

Godfather.

mickeyrat

josevolution said:

So the answer is build a 50ft wall that stretches from Cali all the way thru Texas & electrify it ....

unsung said:

rgambs said:

50,000 little children...sounds like an asset to the country not a fucking threat...take these kids and educate them with obligation to serve a few years in "national improvement" or some shit.
This is really such a non-issue, you may claim to be above the partisan BS and see behind the curtain but the arguments here deal with the smallest issues possible.. They love this! We might as well argue about women being able to terminate pregnancies...oh wait we argue that too...SMALL BEANS!

Sounds like a huge bill. One that we can't afford.

ok i have to ask what would be the best way to handle this problem of illegal immigrants coming into this country ...

jail the business owners who hire them. Conspiracy to further illegal immigration. AND profiting from it.

mickeyrat

Godfather. said:

mickeyrat said:

ummm because yeah, Murica!!!!!

http://www.alternet.org/10-militias-bring-firepower-border-children-continue-cross


Armed Militias Massing at Border to 'Protect' America From Small Children
Armed with semi-automatic weapons, 10 vigilante groups are prowling the Texas-Mexico border.


July 29, 2014 |


Militia groups are starting to line the border between Texas and Mexico to protect the region from an influx of refugee children, despite warnings from state lawmakers and U.S. Customs and Border Protection to stand down.

The militias have provided dozens of pictures to the media of their members “guarding” the border while carrying what appear to be semi-automatic rifles. The members in the photos are wearing tactical gear and military-style balaclavas that shield their identities (other photos show militia members with their faces blurred out).

Reportedly, 10 or more militias have descended on the border while child refugees from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala continue to make the long trek and crossing to the United States. So far, an estimated 50,000 unaccompanied children have crossed the border.

The invasion of children has inspired groups such as The Oathkeepers, Three Percenters, and Patriots to rally their members to the border. They are reportedly lining the border between El Paso and The Rio Grande.

Texas State Senator Leticia Van de Putte has condemned the actions of militia groups, criticizing them for "pointing guns at children.”

Van de Putte, a San Antonio Democrat who is running for Lieutenant Governor, said, “The presence of these outside independent militia groups does nothing to secure the border; it only creates an unsafe situation for law enforcement officials that are protecting our communities. Unfortunately, the vile rhetoric of my opponent inspires misguided efforts."

Van de Putte was criticizing statements by State Senator Dan Patrick, a Houston Republican, who is also running for lieutenant governor. Patrick has declared the Honduran and Guatemalan children to be a “safety threat” and gang members and potential terrorists could exploit the porous border.

In a statement released yesterday, Texas Democrats called on Patrick and Attorney General Greg Abbott — the GOP gubernatorial nominee — to denounce the "armed vigilantes." Abbott and Patrick have yet to respond.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is warning that militias that rallied behind scofflaw rancher Cliven Bundy this Spring may also be focusing on the immigrant-child crisis as it intensifies. Mark Potok, a senior fellow at SPLC, says it’s “possible that people at the Bundy ranch are headed toward the Texas border now."

Potok says that militias are now posting online messages urging their followers to deploy in response to the crisis. "We don’t know if these calls to go to the border are going to get much response at all,” he told the Los Angeles Times. “It’s very unclear if this is just talk or actually developing.”

One militia, led by a 37-year-old truck driver named Chris Davis, began to deploy along the border earlier this month. Davis was seen in a YouTube video advising followers to aggressively confront those attempting a border crossing.

"You see an illegal. You point your gun dead at him, right between his eyes, and you say, 'Get back across the border or you will be shot,'" Davis says in the video that was posted on his channel.

The video has reportedly been removed after a McAllen, Texas newspaper highlighted it earlier this month. Davis is now claiming that his militia, Secure Our Border, only intends to supplement law-enforcement efforts along the border despite law enforcement officials in Texas saying their help is not needed in the Rio Grande Valley.

“There’s nothing malicious, there’s no malicious intent—every person is vetted,” Davis told The Los Angeles Times. “We’re just here to serve freedom, liberty and national sovereignty.”

Davis was discharged from the U.S. Army in 2001 under less-than-honorable conditions to avoid court-martial proceedings, according to the San Antonio Express-News.

Micky lets think about this for a second, Armed Militias are gathering at the borders and yet these mexican familys are still sending their kids to the border ?
now obama has created such a huge mess with our borders that armed citizens are protecting them now ?
has any other president done such a bad job that armed citizens rally to America's defense ?
and what of these mexican familys crossing by the hunderds and using children and endangering children to run across the border ?
blaming the people of the United States of America for protecting their country from everything from simple ilegal immigrents to drug lords and gang members is just crazy,
what would you have American citizens do ? just watch as illegal immigation and the crime that comes with it distroys our country ?
it's not as simple as a bunch of kids running across the border,the dirt bags that send thies kids and use them for a human shield should be beat into submission.

Godfather.

No, EVERY Congress and President since Reagan is to blame for the state of affairs we see today. Because thats how long(longer really) since any elected official has really doen anything related to immigration.
This includes our current administration and Congress.

In a real way , this is like indentured servitude. Get paid shit wages but this way they are under the thumb of "we will deport you"

mickeyrat

even then it was allowed to get fucked up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603, 100 Stat. 3445, enacted November 6, 1986, also known as the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, signed into law by Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. The act[1]

required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status;
made it illegal to hire or recruit illegal immigrants knowingly;
legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants, and;
legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt; candidates were required to prove that they were not guilty of crimes, that they were in the country before January 1, 1982, and that they possessed minimal knowledge about U.S. history, government, and the English language.

At the time, the Immigration and Naturalization Service estimated that about four million illegal immigrants would apply for legal status through the act and that roughly half of them would be eligible.[2]

Contents

1 Legislative background and description
2 Impact
2.1 On labor market
2.2 On illegal immigration
3 See also
4 References
5 External links

Legislative background and description
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Romano L. Mazzoli was a Democratic representative from Kentucky and Alan K. Simpson was a Republican senator from Wyoming who chaired their respective immigration subcommittees in Congress. Their effort was assisted by the recommendations of the bipartisan Commission on Immigration Reform, chaired by Rev. Theodore Hesburgh, then President of the University of Notre Dame.

The law criminalized the act of knowingly hiring an illegal alien and established financial and other penalties for those employing illegal immigrants under the theory that low prospects for employment would reduce undocumented immigration. It introduced the I-9 form to ensure that all employees presented documentary proof of their legal eligibility to accept employment in the United States.

These sanctions would apply only to employers that had more than three employees and did not make a sufficient effort to determine the legal status of their workers.

The first Simpson-Mazzoli Bill was reported out of the House and Senate Judiciary Committees. The bill failed to be received by the House, but civil rights advocates were concerned over the potential for abuse and discrimination against Hispanics, growers' groups rallied for additional provisions for foreign labor, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce persistently opposed sanctions against employers.

The second Simpson-Mazzoli Bill finally passed both chambers in 1985, but it came apart in the conference committee over the issue of cost. The year marked an important turning point for the reform effort. Employer opposition to employer sanctions began to subside, partly because of the "affirmative defense" clause in the law that explicitly released employers from any obligation to check the authenticity of workers' documents.

Also, agricultural employers shifted their focus from opposition to employer sanctions to a concerted campaign to secure alternative sources of foreign labor. As opposition to employer sanctions waned and growers' lobbying efforts for extensive temporary worker programs intensified, agricultural worker programs began to outrank employer sanctions component as the most controversial element of reform.
Impact
On labor market

According to one study, the IRCA caused some employers to discriminate against workers who appeared foreign, resulting in a small reduction in overall Hispanic employment. There is no statistical evidence that a reduction in employment correlated to unemployment in the economy as a whole or was separate from the general unemployment population statistics.[3] Another study stated that if hired, wages were being lowered to compensate employers for the perceived risk of hiring foreigners.[4]

The hiring process also changed as employers turned to indirect hiring through subcontractors. "Under a subcontracting agreement, a U.S. citizen or resident alien contractually agrees with an employer to provide a specific number of workers for a certain period of time to undertake a defined task at a fixed rate of pay per worker".[4] "By using a subcontractor the firm is not held liable since the workers are not employees. The use of a subcontractor decreases a worker's wages since a portion is kept by the subcontractor. This indirect hiring is imposed on everyone regardless of legality".[4]

mickeyrat

Good article from last year related to the above law.
way to long to post. I encourage clicking and reading. It also contains a couple other links at the end for further study,.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/30/in-1986-congress-tried-to-solve-immigration-why-didnt-it-work/

rr165892

unsung said:

rgambs said:

50,000 little children...sounds like an asset to the country not a fucking threat...take these kids and educate them with obligation to serve a few years in "national improvement" or some shit.
This is really such a non-issue, you may claim to be above the partisan BS and see behind the curtain but the arguments here deal with the smallest issues possible.. They love this! We might as well argue about women being able to terminate pregnancies...oh wait we argue that too...SMALL BEANS!

Sounds like a huge bill. One that we can't afford.

Would the generated taxes they earn offset running a 2 year service for entry program?

josevolution

I would say every single boy over 17 should be made to do a 4yr stint in the armed forces in order to get legal status .....

callen

Illegal immigration started with Obama.

Israeli conflict started with Obama.

School shootings started with Obama

Embassies being blown up started with Obama

Cold War with Russia started with Obama.


Worst president ever. If only we were 6 years into McCain/Palin administration.

They would have turned economy around.

Kept US forces out if Libya.

Kept US forces out of Syria.

Withdrew forces from Iraq

Withdrew forces from Afghanistan.

Had measured response with Russia to keep WW3 from happening and allowing Europeans to act.

Created healthcare for non-white colored workers with pre-existing conditions.

They would of repealed DADT and the military wouldn't have fallen apart.

They would have nominated Supreme Court justices that understood separation of church and state.

They would have recognized Colorado and Washington's states rights to pass legalization and not sent in the Feds.

Would of kept from kissing Israel's ass to a minimum.

Stopped using rhetoric like Evil Doers to rile up blood thirsty Americans and further alienate rest of world.

It's the freakin Twilight Zone.

josevolution

callen said:

Illegal immigration started with Obama.

Israeli conflict started with Obama.

School shootings started with Obama

Embassies being blown up started with Obama

Cold War with Russia started with Obama.


Worst president ever. If only we were 6 years into McCain/Palin administration.

They would have turned economy around.

Kept US forces out if Libya.

Kept US forces out of Syria.

Withdrew forces from Iraq

Withdrew forces from Afghanistan.

Had measured response with Russia to keep WW3 from happening and allowing Europeans to act.

Created healthcare for non-white colored workers with pre-existing conditions.

They would of repealed DADT and the military wouldn't have fallen apart.

They would have nominated Supreme Court justices that understood separation of church and state.

They would have recognized Colorado and Washington's states rights to pass legalization and not sent in the Feds.

Would of kept from kissing Israel's ass to a minimum.

Stopped using rhetoric like Evil Doers to rile up blood thirsty Americans and further alienate rest of world.

It's the freakin Twilight Zone.

Damn you know i forgot how much bad shit Obama has started man what i would do for a Romney presidency now =D> Sarcasm at it's best .....

unsung

Reform is not needed, follow the laws that exist.

mickeyrat

Then employers remain off the hook. Nothing changes.

rr165892

josevolution said:

I would say every single boy over 17 should be made to do a 4yr stint in the armed forces in order to get legal status .....

I'm ok with this.Sounds perfect.

Godfather.

I want my obama bucks ! )

Godfather.

rr165892

Godfather. said:

I want my obama bucks ! )

Godfather.

Hear in Florida, Store owners and Beer distributors are now advertising in convenience store windows that you can now purchase Beer with your food stamp/assistance card.I realize the frothy goodness is a necessity but I'm not sure I want to buy it with tax dollars for all.
Obama bucks = more entitlements.

unsung

This is one of those priceless moments.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/07/29/Unaccompanied-Minor-Charges-America-With-Border-Ice-Box-Abuse

rgambs

rr165892 said:

unsung said:

rgambs said:

50,000 little children...sounds like an asset to the country not a fucking threat...take these kids and educate them with obligation to serve a few years in "national improvement" or some shit.
This is really such a non-issue, you may claim to be above the partisan BS and see behind the curtain but the arguments here deal with the smallest issues possible.. They love this! We might as well argue about women being able to terminate pregnancies...oh wait we argue that too...SMALL BEANS!

Sounds like a huge bill. One that we can't afford.

Would the generated taxes they earn offset running a 2 year service for entry program?

exactly!!! Not to mention the good they would do as civil engineers, doctors, nurses, what have you...
But for some itsNONONO close the border deport the aliens dont change the laws...its sad
GF do you really believe they are "ruining our country"?? Why am i even asking, of course you do. I dont see it.

callen

Godfather. said:

I want my obama bucks ! )

Godfather.

So you know there where Bush bucks and Reagan bucks as well. Entitlement reform is needed but again the way you haters act seems Obama created our welfare system. Compared to what we could have gotten (McCain Palin) country and world are much better off.

rr165892

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

unsung said:

rgambs said:

50,000 little children...sounds like an asset to the country not a fucking threat...take these kids and educate them with obligation to serve a few years in "national improvement" or some shit.
This is really such a non-issue, you may claim to be above the partisan BS and see behind the curtain but the arguments here deal with the smallest issues possible.. They love this! We might as well argue about women being able to terminate pregnancies...oh wait we argue that too...SMALL BEANS!

Sounds like a huge bill. One that we can't afford.

Would the generated taxes they earn offset running a 2 year service for entry program?

exactly!!! Not to mention the good they would do as civil engineers, doctors, nurses, what have you...
But for some itsNONONO close the border deport the aliens dont change the laws...its sad
GF do you really believe they are "ruining our country"?? Why am i even asking, of course you do. I dont see it.

Gambs,this isn't a free pass.Thats why I'm ok with it.Im not anti immigration.This to me is a just and fair compromise with offset financials.win win win all the way around

josevolution

rr165892 said:

josevolution said:

I would say every single boy over 17 should be made to do a 4yr stint in the armed forces in order to get legal status .....

I'm ok with this.Sounds perfect.

I bet everyone of e'm would do it ....

unsung

http://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/mexico-vs-united-states-mexican-immigration-laws-are-tougher/