Border and immigration crisis.

i_lov_it

unsung said:

They risk their lives because we are weak on our border security and we advertise benefits for them. Of course they will come here, might as well be a red carpet out there. Remove the incentives and they will stay home, hopefully to work towards fixing their own countries instead of making a mess of this one.

Yeah some Valid points there.

i_lov_it

unsung said:

A country without borders is not a country.

Maybe they could take this Advice on the Gaza Strip.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

It means that they can't argue using logic because the logic shows that they are wrong, so they resort to emotion which unfortunately means slandering people is the chosen route.

Wow.

'You'... speak of ignoring logic?

You continually refute the undeniable and overwhelming correlation between gun deaths and gun ownership in your country with nonsense (one more time for the hell of it: more guns= more deaths by guns). And then you speak of others ignoring logic?

Comical.

What's comical is that you, and some others, refuse to include other factors into the equation.

Or is that just back to using emotion?

Again... I've acknowledged that the problem is profound.

The legal channels are inadequate... and the illegal immigration is unacceptable. There's a middle way- someone just needs to develop it.

mickeyrat

ummm because yeah, Murica!!!!!

http://www.alternet.org/10-militias-bring-firepower-border-children-continue-cross


Armed Militias Massing at Border to 'Protect' America From Small Children
Armed with semi-automatic weapons, 10 vigilante groups are prowling the Texas-Mexico border.


July 29, 2014 |


Militia groups are starting to line the border between Texas and Mexico to protect the region from an influx of refugee children, despite warnings from state lawmakers and U.S. Customs and Border Protection to stand down.

The militias have provided dozens of pictures to the media of their members “guarding” the border while carrying what appear to be semi-automatic rifles. The members in the photos are wearing tactical gear and military-style balaclavas that shield their identities (other photos show militia members with their faces blurred out).

Reportedly, 10 or more militias have descended on the border while child refugees from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala continue to make the long trek and crossing to the United States. So far, an estimated 50,000 unaccompanied children have crossed the border.

The invasion of children has inspired groups such as The Oathkeepers, Three Percenters, and Patriots to rally their members to the border. They are reportedly lining the border between El Paso and The Rio Grande.

Texas State Senator Leticia Van de Putte has condemned the actions of militia groups, criticizing them for "pointing guns at children.”

Van de Putte, a San Antonio Democrat who is running for Lieutenant Governor, said, “The presence of these outside independent militia groups does nothing to secure the border; it only creates an unsafe situation for law enforcement officials that are protecting our communities. Unfortunately, the vile rhetoric of my opponent inspires misguided efforts."

Van de Putte was criticizing statements by State Senator Dan Patrick, a Houston Republican, who is also running for lieutenant governor. Patrick has declared the Honduran and Guatemalan children to be a “safety threat” and gang members and potential terrorists could exploit the porous border.

In a statement released yesterday, Texas Democrats called on Patrick and Attorney General Greg Abbott — the GOP gubernatorial nominee — to denounce the "armed vigilantes." Abbott and Patrick have yet to respond.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is warning that militias that rallied behind scofflaw rancher Cliven Bundy this Spring may also be focusing on the immigrant-child crisis as it intensifies. Mark Potok, a senior fellow at SPLC, says it’s “possible that people at the Bundy ranch are headed toward the Texas border now."

Potok says that militias are now posting online messages urging their followers to deploy in response to the crisis. "We don’t know if these calls to go to the border are going to get much response at all,” he told the Los Angeles Times. “It’s very unclear if this is just talk or actually developing.”

One militia, led by a 37-year-old truck driver named Chris Davis, began to deploy along the border earlier this month. Davis was seen in a YouTube video advising followers to aggressively confront those attempting a border crossing.

"You see an illegal. You point your gun dead at him, right between his eyes, and you say, 'Get back across the border or you will be shot,'" Davis says in the video that was posted on his channel.

The video has reportedly been removed after a McAllen, Texas newspaper highlighted it earlier this month. Davis is now claiming that his militia, Secure Our Border, only intends to supplement law-enforcement efforts along the border despite law enforcement officials in Texas saying their help is not needed in the Rio Grande Valley.

“There’s nothing malicious, there’s no malicious intent—every person is vetted,” Davis told The Los Angeles Times. “We’re just here to serve freedom, liberty and national sovereignty.”

Davis was discharged from the U.S. Army in 2001 under less-than-honorable conditions to avoid court-martial proceedings, according to the San Antonio Express-News.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Champions from Championville.

unsung

That's not really anything new. They have been supplementing the BP for quite done time. Besides the BP has their hands full handing out Glenn Beck's soccer balls.

josevolution

man so much hate how do people look at themselves in the mirror and stand there proud ....

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

It means that they can't argue using logic because the logic shows that they are wrong, so they resort to emotion which unfortunately means slandering people is the chosen route.

Wow.

'You'... speak of ignoring logic?

You continually refute the undeniable and overwhelming correlation between gun deaths and gun ownership in your country with nonsense (one more time for the hell of it: more guns= more deaths by guns). And then you speak of others ignoring logic?

Comical.

What's comical is that you, and some others, refuse to include other factors into the equation.

Or is that just back to using emotion?

Again... I've acknowledged that the problem is profound.

The legal channels are inadequate... and the illegal immigration is unacceptable. There's a middle way- someone just needs to develop it.

I'll agree with that. I have zero issues with controlled, legal immigration. I have every issue on what is going on right now. I will never support amnesty, I do support refining the legal system and streamlining it. I would not support any illegals here cutting in line.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

It means that they can't argue using logic because the logic shows that they are wrong, so they resort to emotion which unfortunately means slandering people is the chosen route.

Wow.

'You'... speak of ignoring logic?

You continually refute the undeniable and overwhelming correlation between gun deaths and gun ownership in your country with nonsense (one more time for the hell of it: more guns= more deaths by guns). And then you speak of others ignoring logic?

Comical.

What's comical is that you, and some others, refuse to include other factors into the equation.

Or is that just back to using emotion?

Again... I've acknowledged that the problem is profound.

The legal channels are inadequate... and the illegal immigration is unacceptable. There's a middle way- someone just needs to develop it.

I'll agree with that. I have zero issues with controlled, legal immigration. I have every issue on what is going on right now. I will never support amnesty, I do support refining the legal system and streamlining it. I would not support any illegals here cutting in line.

Cheers.

mickeyrat

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

It means that they can't argue using logic because the logic shows that they are wrong, so they resort to emotion which unfortunately means slandering people is the chosen route.

Wow.

'You'... speak of ignoring logic?

You continually refute the undeniable and overwhelming correlation between gun deaths and gun ownership in your country with nonsense (one more time for the hell of it: more guns= more deaths by guns). And then you speak of others ignoring logic?

Comical.

What's comical is that you, and some others, refuse to include other factors into the equation.

Or is that just back to using emotion?

Again... I've acknowledged that the problem is profound.

The legal channels are inadequate... and the illegal immigration is unacceptable. There's a middle way- someone just needs to develop it.

I'll agree with that. I have zero issues with controlled, legal immigration. I have every issue on what is going on right now. I will never support amnesty, I do support refining the legal system and streamlining it. I would not support any illegals here cutting in line.

what about back of the line while getting legal staus in the mean time? Like the Senate Bill?

unsung

Senate bill was going to grant amnesty, at least to some. I won't get on board with that. Plus they, iirc, did not have a good plan to stem the tide, to secure the border.

unsung

There's no point in any legislation under the border is finally secure. We'd just be having this conversation again in twenty years, Reagan did the whole amnesty thing, it didn't work.

mickeyrat

unsung said:

Senate bill was going to grant amnesty, at least to some. I won't get on board with that. Plus they, iirc, did not have a good plan to stem the tide, to secure the border.

which is where the house could come in with their bill, then they could go to conference. Like its supposed to happen there.

rgambs

50,000 little children...sounds like an asset to the country not a fucking threat...take these kids and educate them with obligation to serve a few years in "national improvement" or some shit.
This is really such a non-issue, you may claim to be above the partisan BS and see behind the curtain but the arguments here deal with the smallest issues possible.. They love this! We might as well argue about women being able to terminate pregnancies...oh wait we argue that too...SMALL BEANS!

mickeyrat

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/05/michele-bachmann-tax-immigrants-at-100-to-stop-them-from-sending-money-to-families/

Michele Bachmann: Tax immigrants at 100% to stop them from sending money to families
By David Edwards
Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:54 EDT
Michele Bachmann speaks to ABC News


Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) has a plan to discourage immigrants from sending money back to families in other countries by taxing them at 100 percent.

The Minnesota Republican, who has in the past asserted children fleeing violence in Central America were “invading” the United States, told a conference call with Numbers USA last week that it “truly is war against the American people,” Right Wing Watch reported.

Bachmann opined that the solution to the crisis was to “deport right on the border,” and to confiscate Americans’ land if needed to “build a real fence.”

“Mexico, El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, those countries are laughing at us because they’re making money with their corrupt governments in conjunction with these international criminal cartels, they’re all making money and kickbacks,” she noted.

“What I believe we should do is have a 100 percent tax on remittances, the money that illegal aliens send back to these countries.” Bachmann explained. “We would have phone call from the president of these countries in five minutes saying, ‘What can we do? We want to keep this money flowing into our economy.”

Listen to the audio below.

NOTE click the link to access audio uploaded on soundcloud

rgambs

bachmans always good for a laugh!

rr165892

rgambs said:

50,000 little children...sounds like an asset to the country not a fucking threat...take these kids and educate them with obligation to serve a few years in "national improvement" or some shit.
This is really such a non-issue, you may claim to be above the partisan BS and see behind the curtain but the arguments here deal with the smallest issues possible.. They love this! We might as well argue about women being able to terminate pregnancies...oh wait we argue that too...SMALL BEANS!

I've been sayin,a service swap for citizenship is a great way to go.Win all the way around

unsung

rgambs said:

50,000 little children...sounds like an asset to the country not a fucking threat...take these kids and educate them with obligation to serve a few years in "national improvement" or some shit.
This is really such a non-issue, you may claim to be above the partisan BS and see behind the curtain but the arguments here deal with the smallest issues possible.. They love this! We might as well argue about women being able to terminate pregnancies...oh wait we argue that too...SMALL BEANS!

Sounds like a huge bill. One that we can't afford.

josevolution

So the answer is build a 50ft wall that stretches from Cali all the way thru Texas & electrify it ....

unsung said:

rgambs said:

50,000 little children...sounds like an asset to the country not a fucking threat...take these kids and educate them with obligation to serve a few years in "national improvement" or some shit.
This is really such a non-issue, you may claim to be above the partisan BS and see behind the curtain but the arguments here deal with the smallest issues possible.. They love this! We might as well argue about women being able to terminate pregnancies...oh wait we argue that too...SMALL BEANS!

Sounds like a huge bill. One that we can't afford.

ok i have to ask what would be the best way to handle this problem of illegal immigrants coming into this country ...

mickeyrat

josevolution said:

So the answer is build a 50ft wall that stretches from Cali all the way thru Texas & electrify it ....

unsung said:

rgambs said:

50,000 little children...sounds like an asset to the country not a fucking threat...take these kids and educate them with obligation to serve a few years in "national improvement" or some shit.
This is really such a non-issue, you may claim to be above the partisan BS and see behind the curtain but the arguments here deal with the smallest issues possible.. They love this! We might as well argue about women being able to terminate pregnancies...oh wait we argue that too...SMALL BEANS!

Sounds like a huge bill. One that we can't afford.

ok i have to ask what would be the best way to handle this problem of illegal immigrants coming into this country ...

jail the business owners who hire them. Conspiracy to further illegal immigration. AND profiting from it.