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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    President Obama and national security officials have defended certain programs as important for national security and subject to appropriate restrictions. But privacy advocates and some lawmakers remain unsatisfied........is anyone really in shock ? our government has got to shit sense that asshat has been elected,in light of all his crimes how can anybody still support this guy ?

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    1) For Illegally Changing Obamacare: It doesn't matter if the Affordable Care Act is called "Obamacare;" Barack Obama doesn't have the authority to unilaterally change the law. Changes to the law have to be made by Congress and then signed into law by the President. Barack Obama has broken the law repeatedly by making at least 23 unilateral changes to the law. Saying, "The Republicans won't work with us," or more disturbingly, "It's politically convenient," is not an excuse for overriding the Constitution of the United States.

    2) Engaging In An Illegal War In Libya: While the President is the Commander-in-Chief, the Constitution gives Congress the ability to declare war. In the modern era, that has just meant an authorization of force from Congress, which Obama did not pursue. Additionally, we've tended to give Presidents the benefit of the doubt when American lives are at stake. However, in Libya, Obama didn't seek the permission of Congress and we had no national security interest in Libya. In other words, Obama's real justification for bombing that country and overthrowing its government was that HE FELT LIKE IT. Using the exact same precedent, the next President could bomb Mexico or Cuba without Congressional authorization. Incidentally, bombing either of those nations would probably make more sense than bombing Libya, although that's not saying much since our intervention there has been a complete disaster.

    3) Lying To Sell Obamacare To The American People: When Barack Obama told the public if they liked their plan, they could keep their plan, he was lying. When he told Americans if they liked their doctor, they could keep their doctor, he knew it wasn't so. When he told Americans Obamacare would cut costs by $2,500 for the average family, he was deliberately misleading the public. For a President of the United States to PERSONALLY spend months telling deliberate falsehoods to the American people in order to convince them to support something as massive as a government takeover of the health care system is beyond the pale. If the willful lies Barack Obama told to sell Obamacare don't merit impeachment, then there are no lies that a President could tell to the American people big enough to merit impeachment.

    4) Violating Immigration Law And Illegally Implementing The DREAM ACT: Simply put, Barack Obama has ceased to enforce most immigration law. As Senator Jeff Sessions has noted, “at least 99.92% of illegal immigrants and visa overstays without known crimes on their records did not face removal.” In other words, we've already stopped deporting anyone other than SOME hardcore criminals and gang members. Additionally, when the DREAM ACT didn't make it through Congress, Obama simply implemented it ANYWAY. Not only is he explicitly telling illegal aliens they can stay in the United States, he's illegally giving them work permits that he has zero right to offer. Even if Congress is too split on the issue to unify and put a stop to what Obama's doing, that doesn't change the fact that it’s flatly illegal. If this is allowed to stand, tell me ANY LAW on the books that the President is obligated to enforce?

    5) Releasing 5 Taliban Terrorists In Exchange For Deserter Bowe Bergdahl: Barack Obama was legally required to alert Congress 30 days before he released terrorists from Gitmo. Not only did he fail to do so, but more seriously he released five high level terrorists who he knew were likely to help kill Americans in the future. One of the terrorists has ALREADY SAID he intends to go back to Afghanistan to fight America. Barack Obama spent a lot of time bragging about getting Bin Laden, but he just released five Bin Ladens back into the world and a lot of Americans who didn't desert their country are likely to die because of it.



  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I want to be clear...I don't just blame Obama. Many POS from both parties support this crap.
  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    edited July 2014
    Actually - the president didn't spend any time bragging about Bin Laden. And he was given no credit for it by members of Congress and Senate from the Republican Party. For giving that go-ahead - he should have done something completely outlandish like..uhm..parachuting out of a jet onto a an aircraft carrier? Who would do something silly like that? Nevermind - continue - didn't mean to interrupt the thinly veiled ....discussion.
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Oops, godfather is plagiarizing again. Well, he always claims ignorance when he does it; i believe him.
    The correct spelling and multi-syllabic words are a dead giveaway ;)

    Here's the link you forgot to post:
    http://m.townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/06/07/5-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors-for-which-obama-deserves-to-be-impeached-n1848789/page/full
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Can we stay on topic please? Nobody has even begun to talk about the NSA holding data.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,041
    unsung said:

    http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/06/technology/security/snowden-nsa-privacy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    Keep telling yourself that you are free.

    Keep deluding yourself that you're not free.

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Drowned Out said:

    Oops, godfather is plagiarizing again. Well, he always claims ignorance when he does it; i believe him.
    The correct spelling and multi-syllabic words are a dead giveaway ;)

    Here's the link you forgot to post:
    http://m.townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/06/07/5-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors-for-which-obama-deserves-to-be-impeached-n1848789/page/full

    hahhahhahahhahahahaha BUSTED !!!!! but what do you think of the web site,write wing I know but the info is pretty good.

    Godfather.

  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    unsung said:

    http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/06/technology/security/snowden-nsa-privacy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    Keep telling yourself that you are free.

    Keep deluding yourself that you're not free.

    Peace.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,041
    The prisons, jails, courts are full of violators. No wonder they can't deport anyone.

    I haven't been pulled over since 1995. And I've done several of those other things on that list and I still haven't been "questioned, searched, beaten, kidnapped, stolen from, had my home broken into or locked in a cage for an extended period of time." My neighborhood has felt like the beaches of Normandy all weekend, from 9:00 p.m. until well after midnight. No complaints, it was the 4th of July after all.

    Guess you must not be too slick if its happened to you for those things. Jeesh, Unsung, a real intelligent example of how "you're not free." Source?

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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    so when was the last time you weren't allowed to drive, hunt, fish, build - oh you had to get permits - if one didn't have permits then we'd have 10 year olds driving cars, shooting guns, people putting additions onto their homes that went right up against your house or that were not sound. Vegetable gardens, rain water collection, eating, drinking, walking across the street - really? Paranoid much?
    Have you been abducted from your home since you posted? The black helicopters should be circling soon.
    If you want to be taken seriously and have a serious discussion; then you shouldn't post ridiculous things that I tracked back to a Finnish girl's website next to selfies of her toes.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I swear you people beg for government to control your every move.
  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    Wow - powerful statement rebutting what was said.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I live in Illinois, they get a $6 tax on an inner tube if you want to take in down river. If your tube goes flat you have to pay another $6 to use your new one. All of the above has actually happened, it isn't a conspiracy, do some research.
  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    Since you've started to sound like my abusive ex, I'll do what I should have done then, remove myself from the insanity. Going outside to stand guard in front of the tomatoes.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    That list strikes me as extreme (in its view). Some of these things (obtaining permits, jaywalking, using a turn signal) are just common sense; they protect us and each other. Just don't get how those and some of the other examples infringe on freedom or rights.

    (and honestly, if some idiot wants to cross the street in a busy area and take the risk of being plowed down, so be it. Darwinism might advise against it, and Darwinism usually wins)

    Hell, we live in a condo association, and with that comes certain guidelines by which we must abide - such as restricting noise within particular hours, keeping specific items off our balcony, etc. No biggie, we signed up for it.

    We all flout some laws because we don't agree with them or because they strike us as inconvenient - for example, who here hasn't driven greater than the speed limit? But I'll suck up and pay any ticket given if I've chosen to break the law. It's either that or move somewhere off the grid or try to change what I disagree with.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    njnancy said:

    Since you've started to sound like my abusive ex, I'll do what I should have done then, remove myself from the insanity. Going outside to stand guard in front of the tomatoes.

    Don't be so thin-skinned. If you can't hang it's no big deal.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    So does anyone believe that it is ok for the NSA to do this?

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,041
    So the NSA collects baby pictures that you post (I don't post baby pictures), ooooo, ahhhhhh. oh the tyranny!

    Peace.
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    I've got nothing to hide ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    unsung said:

    njnancy said:

    Since you've started to sound like my abusive ex, I'll do what I should have done then, remove myself from the insanity. Going outside to stand guard in front of the tomatoes.

    Don't be so thin-skinned. If you can't hang it's no big deal.
    Thin-skinned, I am not. And it's not if i CAN or CAN'T hang but if i CHOOSE to 'hang'. You have twice now quoted me ONLY when i have chosen to leave the thread - not because I do not have the intelligence or research & communication skills to continue to 'hang', but because you do not post anything that forwards the discussion and you are very condescending. I have been torn apart in debates and not left. I will continue to vigorously debate anyone who is willing to show respect and an interest in what i have taken time to post. I do not leave because I'm scared or outsmarted; I have dealt with much worse than demeaning sarcasm in life, it's actually a minor blip compared to being punched or kicked because i chose to voice my opinion - so please don't think that you make me run away crying. I walk away with my head held high and i will continue to debate where there is an actual debate taking place.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    edited July 2014
    I'm sorry that I don't always respond to what you have to say, I generally try to stay on topic, but when the counterpoint is accusing me of being paranoid, not to mention being compared to an abusive ex, well your response doesn't deserve mine. That isn't debating.

    You want to debate the topic of the NSA continually spying on people then let's do it, if you want to "debate" me by insulting me well then my level of respect shrinks.

    And seriously, how does having a permit or not stop a ten year old from doing something? Good Lord.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,769
    edited July 2014
    njnancy said:

    Since you've started to sound like my abusive ex, I'll do what I should have done then, remove myself from the insanity. Going outside to stand guard in front of the tomatoes.

    Do you have a permit for those tomatoes??!!
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,041
    unsung said:

    I live in Illinois, they get a $6 tax on an inner tube if you want to take in down river. If your tube goes flat you have to pay another $6 to use your new one. All of the above has actually happened, it isn't a conspiracy, do some research.

    http://www.pantagraph.com/news/state-and-regional/illinois/with-state-funds-dwindling-dnr-forced-to-raise-fees/article_ddb2096c-5f84-11e2-a3b4-0019bb2963f4.html

    ILLINOIS: If it floats, it’s taxed !

    Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05

    www.Before It's News.com

    It now costs $6 to Kayak, Canoe or Tube in Illinois

    As of July 1, 2013 non-motorized watercraft, such as canoes, kayaks, even inner tubes, are required to have a valid “Water Usage Stamp” to float on Illinois lakes, streams and rivers.

    State vendors, any business which offers hunting and fishing licenses, will sell the $6 stamp — also referred to as a “Paddle Pass” — plus a 50 cent service fee. Failure to buy one can result in a $120 fine, but it won’t be imposed right away. Owners buying stamps for more than three boats at the same time will only be charged $3 for the fourth and subsequent stamps.

    The new fee is part of the Illinois Department of Natural Resources sustainability bill, which also included the $2 annual auto license plate fee hike added to help restore $18 to $20 million per year of the $50 million per year the agency had lost to recent state budget cuts.

    The requirement is new for inner tube floaters, but for other non-powered watercraft like row boats and kayaks, this stamp replaces the need to apply for titles and registration in the state. The fee and sticker also are mandatory for out-of-state floating watercraft.

    Not having a stamp could result in a $120 fine.

    Chicago, meet Detroit. Detroit, Chicago.

    I thought you were all for austerity?

    http://www.change.org/petitions/state-of-illinois-keep-rivers-free-of-the-water-use-regulation

    Victory

    Haley Blackburn: Only only a couple days after the petition began, thousands of supporters had added their signatures. We got our word out there and the Illinois Department of Natural Resources started to notice. A few news stations wanted to cover the story, and I, Haley Fox-Blackburn, was interviewed by 13 WREX Rockford. Good news came four days after the petition was created when the Illinois DNR posted on their own facebook wall with this message "The Illinois Department of Natural Resources (DNR) reviewed the inclusion of innertubes in the Water Usage Stamp, and has decided to submit rule changes to the legislature to eliminate that requirement of the program." We had victory! Since the post was created, several more news stories have surfaced. All news links will be posted below!

    So which is it? Tyranny or a successful redress of grievances? Seriously, I don't think you know how our government works. Maybe you're just so blinded by your contempt and hatred?

    And you preceded this post I'm replying to with:
    unsung said:

    I swear you people beg for government to control your every move.

    Talk about engaging debate. Yea, "you people" beg for government to control your every move. You people? Seems you've truly separated yourself from most of us already Unsung. No point in debating that kind of mentality. You people. Why don't you let us know what you meant by, "you people?" I think I know but I'd rather read your explanation so I can better understand where you're coming from but I think I already know the answer to that as well. You people. Them. You people. Nice.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,041
    Speaking of the NSA and your desire to debate, the republican controlled house could pass a bill anytime they wanted regarding all of the NSA privacy violations. With such a slim margin in the senate, they could pressure the democrats to pass it and Obama would be likely to sign it. But where is the republican house? Oh yea, investigating Benghazi.

    One role of congress is to pass legislation or amend existing legislation to redress a grievance, in this case alleged warrantless spying on Americans. If this were such a burning issue, the republicans and their supporters would be clamoring for this. But, they don't want to give Obama anything that even remotely resembles a legislative victory and the tea party and republican contingent doesn't want to be branded soft on terrorism. If Rand Paul had any balls or brains, he'd be quietly lobbying his colleagues on both sides of the aisle to find common ground and reform the current policy. For him, its politically expedient to continue to blame Obama for something the Bush Administration implemented and took to this level. I asked you in another thread to point out where Obama had taken the NSA spying to another level and you never answered. So if you want a debate, debate, but don't pretend the sky is falling and "us people beg for the government to control our every move."

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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Godfather. said:

    1) For Illegally Changing Obamacare: It doesn't matter if the Affordable Care Act is called "Obamacare;" Barack Obama doesn't have the authority to unilaterally change the law. Changes to the law have to be made by Congress and then signed into law by the President. Barack Obama has broken the law repeatedly by making at least 23 unilateral changes to the law. Saying, "The Republicans won't work with us," or more disturbingly, "It's politically convenient," is not an excuse for overriding the Constitution of the United States.

    2) Engaging In An Illegal War In Libya: While the President is the Commander-in-Chief, the Constitution gives Congress the ability to declare war. In the modern era, that has just meant an authorization of force from Congress, which Obama did not pursue. Additionally, we've tended to give Presidents the benefit of the doubt when American lives are at stake. However, in Libya, Obama didn't seek the permission of Congress and we had no national security interest in Libya. In other words, Obama's real justification for bombing that country and overthrowing its government was that HE FELT LIKE IT. Using the exact same precedent, the next President could bomb Mexico or Cuba without Congressional authorization. Incidentally, bombing either of those nations would probably make more sense than bombing Libya, although that's not saying much since our intervention there has been a complete disaster.

    3) Lying To Sell Obamacare To The American People: When Barack Obama told the public if they liked their plan, they could keep their plan, he was lying. When he told Americans if they liked their doctor, they could keep their doctor, he knew it wasn't so. When he told Americans Obamacare would cut costs by $2,500 for the average family, he was deliberately misleading the public. For a President of the United States to PERSONALLY spend months telling deliberate falsehoods to the American people in order to convince them to support something as massive as a government takeover of the health care system is beyond the pale. If the willful lies Barack Obama told to sell Obamacare don't merit impeachment, then there are no lies that a President could tell to the American people big enough to merit impeachment.

    4) Violating Immigration Law And Illegally Implementing The DREAM ACT: Simply put, Barack Obama has ceased to enforce most immigration law. As Senator Jeff Sessions has noted, “at least 99.92% of illegal immigrants and visa overstays without known crimes on their records did not face removal.” In other words, we've already stopped deporting anyone other than SOME hardcore criminals and gang members. Additionally, when the DREAM ACT didn't make it through Congress, Obama simply implemented it ANYWAY. Not only is he explicitly telling illegal aliens they can stay in the United States, he's illegally giving them work permits that he has zero right to offer. Even if Congress is too split on the issue to unify and put a stop to what Obama's doing, that doesn't change the fact that it’s flatly illegal. If this is allowed to stand, tell me ANY LAW on the books that the President is obligated to enforce?

    5) Releasing 5 Taliban Terrorists In Exchange For Deserter Bowe Bergdahl: Barack Obama was legally required to alert Congress 30 days before he released terrorists from Gitmo. Not only did he fail to do so, but more seriously he released five high level terrorists who he knew were likely to help kill Americans in the future. One of the terrorists has ALREADY SAID he intends to go back to Afghanistan to fight America. Barack Obama spent a lot of time bragging about getting Bin Laden, but he just released five Bin Ladens back into the world and a lot of Americans who didn't desert their country are likely to die because of it.

    You forgot to mention that he's black.

  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    unsung said:

    So does anyone believe that it is ok for the NSA to do this?

    hell no !....this whole deal got kicked into high gear because of terrorist from the middle east and when I go the airport guess who gets pulled into inspection ?
    once my disabled sister n law in a wheel chair got pulled in after a group of middle easterner's covered head to toe walked passed......wtf ??? was that all about ?

    Godfather.

  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Speaking of the NSA and your desire to debate, the republican controlled house could pass a bill anytime they wanted regarding all of the NSA privacy violations. With such a slim margin in the senate, they could pressure the democrats to pass it and Obama would be likely to sign it. But where is the republican house? Oh yea, investigating Benghazi.

    One role of congress is to pass legislation or amend existing legislation to redress a grievance, in this case alleged warrantless spying on Americans. If this were such a burning issue, the republicans and their supporters would be clamoring for this. But, they don't want to give Obama anything that even remotely resembles a legislative victory and the tea party and republican contingent doesn't want to be branded soft on terrorism. If Rand Paul had any balls or brains, he'd be quietly lobbying his colleagues on both sides of the aisle to find common ground and reform the current policy. For him, its politically expedient to continue to blame Obama for something the Bush Administration implemented and took to this level. I asked you in another thread to point out where Obama had taken the NSA spying to another level and you never answered. So if you want a debate, debate, but don't pretend the sky is falling and "us people beg for the government to control our every move."

    Peace.


    Actually the Thomas Massie amendment passed the House, it's in Reid's hands now. Let's see what he does.

  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Halifax2TheMax said:


    And you preceded this post I'm replying to with:

    unsung said:

    I swear you people beg for government to control your every move.

    Talk about engaging debate. Yea, "you people" beg for government to control your every move. You people? Seems you've truly separated yourself from most of us already Unsung. No point in debating that kind of mentality. You people. Why don't you let us know what you meant by, "you people?" I think I know but I'd rather read your explanation so I can better understand where you're coming from but I think I already know the answer to that as well. You people. Them. You people. Nice.

    Peace.
    Yeah, you people. Big government statists against those of us that aren't. Don't like it? Don't be a statist and apologist. Keep repeating it, it creates such a dramatic environment for the reader.

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,041
    unsung said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Speaking of the NSA and your desire to debate, the republican controlled house could pass a bill anytime they wanted regarding all of the NSA privacy violations. With such a slim margin in the senate, they could pressure the democrats to pass it and Obama would be likely to sign it. But where is the republican house? Oh yea, investigating Benghazi.

    One role of congress is to pass legislation or amend existing legislation to redress a grievance, in this case alleged warrantless spying on Americans. If this were such a burning issue, the republicans and their supporters would be clamoring for this. But, they don't want to give Obama anything that even remotely resembles a legislative victory and the tea party and republican contingent doesn't want to be branded soft on terrorism. If Rand Paul had any balls or brains, he'd be quietly lobbying his colleagues on both sides of the aisle to find common ground and reform the current policy. For him, its politically expedient to continue to blame Obama for something the Bush Administration implemented and took to this level. I asked you in another thread to point out where Obama had taken the NSA spying to another level and you never answered. So if you want a debate, debate, but don't pretend the sky is falling and "us people beg for the government to control our every move."

    Peace.


    Actually the Thomas Massie amendment passed the House, it's in Reid's hands now. Let's see what he does.

    Why yes, yes it did. With bi-partisan support. Something you were just railing against as being bad for everyone or just screws us all. So, which is it? Authoritarian or Libertarian?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/19/house-nsa_n_5513642.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/01/nsa-surveillance-loophole-americans-data

    So, will Rand Paul reach across the aisle to his senate colleagues and work to pass a bi-partisan senate version of Massie's amendment to the Defense Authorization Act or will he politicize it to set Harry Reid and the democrats up for failure? Will Harry Reid allow it to come up for a vote and work for its passage? I'm going to guess that there is a lot of "other" stuff in that bill that both sides might not like and may use as political cover to deny its passage. It'll be interesting to watch and follow.

    Peace.
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