America's Gun Violence

dudeman

Halifax2TheMax said:

Another “responsible” gun owner. Why should one be allowed to purchase and own “body armor?” Is that also part of the 2A?

https://apple.news/AZcLjKnw_RdqJgTR0BWqCkw

I don't know man. It sounds like people might need body armor now more than ever. 

Halifax2TheMax

Yeee haaaaaw! “No sports, go shooting?”

https://apple.news/AiCuICbp8RcKB-WDXDXOGYQ

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yeee haaaaaw! “No sports, go shooting?”

https://apple.news/AiCuICbp8RcKB-WDXDXOGYQ

I didn’t even read the whole article, the very first sentence explains exactly why I predicted a rise in gun sales. Has nothing to do with no sports or boredom. It’s fear of The Walking Dead society.

opening sentence: “ Some first-time gun buyers fear a social order breakdown...”

which seems very logical. Have you seen how crazy stores have gotten? How crazy people are now? I will be afraid if this gets as bad as China or Italy. I would anticipate full on riots and looting in major cities. The LA sheriff dept already told their deputies to only arrest for the most serious crimes due to overcrowding since the courts are closed. How long before people realize that cops aren’t enforcing shop lifting before people just start breaking into homes?

mace1229

If I wasn’t already a gun owner, and if I wasn’t anti-gun, and lived in a major city like LA I would be considering buying my first gun right now.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yeee haaaaaw! “No sports, go shooting?”

https://apple.news/AiCuICbp8RcKB-WDXDXOGYQ

I didn’t even read the whole article, the very first sentence explains exactly why I predicted a rise in gun sales. Has nothing to do with no sports or boredom. It’s fear of The Walking Dead society.

opening sentence: “ Some first-time gun buyers fear a social order breakdown...”

which seems very logical. Have you seen how crazy stores have gotten? How crazy people are now? I will be afraid if this gets as bad as China or Italy. I would anticipate full on riots and looting in major cities. The LA sheriff dept already told their deputies to only arrest for the most serious crimes due to overcrowding since the courts are closed. How long before people realize that cops aren’t enforcing shop lifting before people just start breaking into homes?

Read the article. It’s a mix of stupidity and paranoia with a dash of boredom thrown in. It’s hilarious that the zombie apocalypse might occur during a repub administration after hearing about FEMA camps and having your guns taken away for 8 years of the Obama Administration. This country is so fucked.

CM189191

mace1229 said:

If I wasn’t already a gun owner, and if I wasn’t anti-gun, and lived in a major city like LA I would be considering buying my first gun right now.

which is a weird thing to say because there is less gun violence per capita in cities than there is in rural areas

mace1229

I didn’t read it the first time because when I try to read a NYT articles it always asks me to subscribe. But trying again this one didn’t for some reason. 

None of that article seems out of the norm though.
One guy said he’s buying a gun because his neighbor has been threatening him, nothing to do with the virus. Asian-Americans are buying more guns because people are threatening them over this virus. Both se pretty legit reasons to me.
Gun sales always go up when people think a Democrat might be elected. I don’t always agree with that, but that is completely “normal,” factor in the person Biden says he’ll put in charge has said “he’ll yes” he’ll take assault rifles away if he is in charge. So of course assault weapons sales go up. I’ve said before sometimes Democrats can be the best thing for gun manufactures. 

And lastly, it does cite several cases of just fear of this virus, as mentioned in the leading sentence. That seems most reasonable of all. Things are already going crazy. It’s worse than when Popeyes ran out of their sandwich. And if people get that crazy over a chicken sandwich, imagine how it will get when people go a month without toilet paper and other basics. Compound that with little to no police force, yes, this has the potential to be very crazy. New Orleans after Katrina level of crazy. 

If things really do get shut down for 4-8 weeks or even longer and if supplies are hard to come by, it has that potential. 

I’m no saying it definitely will, but the level of chaos I saw on Costco 3 days ago, pushin  and shoving, everyone acting like they are a contestant on Supermarket Sweepstakes, imagine how they will behave in a month if things get worse and no better. I don’t think that is stupidity and paranoia. 

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

I didn’t read it the first time because when I try to read a NYT articles it always asks me to subscribe. But trying again this one didn’t for some reason. 

None of that article seems out of the norm though.
One guy said he’s buying a gun because his neighbor has been threatening him, nothing to do with the virus. Asian-Americans are buying more guns because people are threatening them over this virus. Both se pretty legit reasons to me.
Gun sales always go up when people think a Democrat might be elected. I don’t always agree with that, but that is completely “normal,” factor in the person Biden says he’ll put in charge has said “he’ll yes” he’ll take assault rifles away if he is in charge. So of course assault weapons sales go up. I’ve said before sometimes Democrats can be the best thing for gun manufactures. 

And lastly, it does cite several cases of just fear of this virus, as mentioned in the leading sentence. That seems most reasonable of all. Things are already going crazy. It’s worse than when Popeyes ran out of their sandwich. And if people get that crazy over a chicken sandwich, imagine how it will get when people go a month without toilet paper and other basics. Compound that with little to no police force, yes, this has the potential to be very crazy. New Orleans after Katrina level of crazy. 

If things really do get shut down for 4-8 weeks or even longer and if supplies are hard to come by, it has that potential. 

I’m no saying it definitely will, but the level of chaos I saw on Costco 3 days ago, pushin  and shoving, everyone acting like they are a contestant on Supermarket Sweepstakes, imagine how they will behave in a month if things get worse and no better. I don’t think that is stupidity and paranoia. 

What things are going "crazy?" People buying up all the toilet paper? Do people go out and buy guns to prepare for Black Friday shopping? What happened at Popeye's when they ran out of chicken sandwiches? Did you avoid the place, go and join the mayhem or buy a gun and then go try to buy a sandwich? If you Google "gun sales surge" you get hits going back to 2000 for a whole host of reasons. The stupidity is one person saying he won't answer until he gets a hand shake and another interviewee saying its just the "flu," made up on one of the coasts. Well, does Middle America go out and buy more guns when the new flu vaccine comes out every year? If its "just the flu," why the panic? Madness.

Here's my prediction, for the months that we've been dealing with the Covid-19 flu pandemic, January through March, maybe into May or June, crime rates will go down and accidental shootings, particularly among or involving children, will go up. I'll update this when crime statistics for that period become available.

From the article, "...….Bryan Pratt grabbed an AR-15 pistol from the back of his pick up truck in the parking lot of the 2A Shooting Center. Pratt, who likes to shoot his firearm for sport most weekends, said the parking lot was unusually packed. There's no sports games on, he said, so I guess people want to shoot."

mace1229

First, I think this is the least aggressive and condescending response I’ve had and I appreciate the opportunity to have a really reply.
Yes, I avoid Black Friday and I did avoided Popeyes when people were literally getting into fistfights over ordering the last sandwich. But I can only avoid buying toilet paper and groceries for so long.

While I’m sure gun prices have increased since 2000, this article specifically is taking about the recent spike, the fact that sales went up 68% during the last week of February. That is a huge spike, that if isn’t directly related to this virus has got to be the biggest coincidence I’ve heard of. 
But your quotes from the article really have nothing to do with the theme of it. While pretty stupid I agree,  one guy refusing to talk to the reporter unless he shakes his hand says nothing about guns sales. Honestly probably just his way of getting out of talking and nothing else. Some dude saying it’s just the flu, I took that as his way of saying this panic is over hyped. And it is in my opinion. While this isn’t just the flu (and for a while I thought it was, but realized I was wrong) it still doesn’t deserve this level of panic, and I think that was his point. 

And the dude with the pickup who made the sports comment, you’re smart enough to know to not give that any weight. He may have been sarcastic, who knows.  Even if he wasn’t, why would you take his word on why people are buying guns over the word of the people actually buying the guns? People who are actually buying the guns are saying they are buying them because they are afraid for various reasons. Many of which are Asians, who are being unfairly targeted during this. Some are just afraid of the chaos we are already witnessing and this is just barely getting started. We’re literally day 1 into an 8 week school closure.

The spike of guns sales is because people are being blamed for this virus and others know chances of just total and utter chaos in the next several weeks are pretty high. There is likely going to be mass looting in major cities and people going crazy over basic supplies. I don’t think that makes then stupid to buy a gun if they feel threatened in that environment and become a responsible gun owner

mace1229

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

If I wasn’t already a gun owner, and if I wasn’t anti-gun, and lived in a major city like LA I would be considering buying my first gun right now.

which is a weird thing to say because there is less gun violence per capita in cities than there is in rural areas

Why? Big cities are the ones getting prepared for mass looting. LA county sent a memo to all the deputies yesterday ordering them to only arrest for the most severe crimes because with courts being closed people who are locked up and expected to be put in a matter of days will likely be locked up for months instead and there is going to be overcrowding like they’ve never seen before. I know because my brother showed me this memo he got. It’s some crazy stuff they are preparing for. Average town mid-America probably won’t experience this, but LA probably will.

mace1229

I’m not saying people should go out and buy guns. I just don’t think it’s unreasonable for anyone who sees the potential this has in becoming a level of crazy we rarely ever see and want to be prepared.
I bet regional Dwight wishes he bought a gun.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

First, I think this is the least aggressive and condescending response I’ve had and I appreciate the opportunity to have a really reply.
Yes, I avoid Black Friday and I did avoided Popeyes when people were literally getting into fistfights over ordering the last sandwich. But I can only avoid buying toilet paper and groceries for so long.

While I’m sure gun prices have increased since 2000, this article specifically is taking about the recent spike, the fact that sales went up 68% during the last week of February. That is a huge spike, that if isn’t directly related to this virus has got to be the biggest coincidence I’ve heard of. 
But your quotes from the article really have nothing to do with the theme of it. While pretty stupid I agree,  one guy refusing to talk to the reporter unless he shakes his hand says nothing about guns sales. Honestly probably just his way of getting out of talking and nothing else. Some dude saying it’s just the flu, I took that as his way of saying this panic is over hyped. And it is in my opinion. While this isn’t just the flu (and for a while I thought it was, but realized I was wrong) it still doesn’t deserve this level of panic, and I think that was his point. 

And the dude with the pickup who made the sports comment, you’re smart enough to know to not give that any weight. He may have been sarcastic, who knows.  Even if he wasn’t, why would you take his word on why people are buying guns over the word of the people actually buying the guns? People who are actually buying the guns are saying they are buying them because they are afraid for various reasons. Many of which are Asians, who are being unfairly targeted during this. Some are just afraid of the chaos we are already witnessing and this is just barely getting started. We’re literally day 1 into an 8 week school closure.

The spike of guns sales is because people are being blamed for this virus and others know chances of just total and utter chaos in the next several weeks are pretty high. There is likely going to be mass looting in major cities and people going crazy over basic supplies. I don’t think that makes then stupid to buy a gun if they feel threatened in that environment and become a responsible gun owner

Did you miss the quote at the start of the article about the government using emergency powers to restrict gun buying? Or the NRA cheering it on? Or the guy who said, “strap on?” It’s like any reason whatsoever to drive fear and finally claim gun ownership is what everyone needs. What’s next, a forecast for 3” of rain and everyone rushes out to buy a gun?

What about the people buying for the first time and more than likely not taking gun safety courses or even having background checks conducted because of the hysteria? Is that “responsible?”

Halifax2TheMax

And it’s probably the same people that freak out over chicken sandwiches that are buying guns for the first time. If you’re in a strange neighborhood and lost, don’t go knocking on a door looking for directions, folks.

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

First, I think this is the least aggressive and condescending response I’ve had and I appreciate the opportunity to have a really reply.
Yes, I avoid Black Friday and I did avoided Popeyes when people were literally getting into fistfights over ordering the last sandwich. But I can only avoid buying toilet paper and groceries for so long.

While I’m sure gun prices have increased since 2000, this article specifically is taking about the recent spike, the fact that sales went up 68% during the last week of February. That is a huge spike, that if isn’t directly related to this virus has got to be the biggest coincidence I’ve heard of. 
But your quotes from the article really have nothing to do with the theme of it. While pretty stupid I agree,  one guy refusing to talk to the reporter unless he shakes his hand says nothing about guns sales. Honestly probably just his way of getting out of talking and nothing else. Some dude saying it’s just the flu, I took that as his way of saying this panic is over hyped. And it is in my opinion. While this isn’t just the flu (and for a while I thought it was, but realized I was wrong) it still doesn’t deserve this level of panic, and I think that was his point. 

And the dude with the pickup who made the sports comment, you’re smart enough to know to not give that any weight. He may have been sarcastic, who knows.  Even if he wasn’t, why would you take his word on why people are buying guns over the word of the people actually buying the guns? People who are actually buying the guns are saying they are buying them because they are afraid for various reasons. Many of which are Asians, who are being unfairly targeted during this. Some are just afraid of the chaos we are already witnessing and this is just barely getting started. We’re literally day 1 into an 8 week school closure.

The spike of guns sales is because people are being blamed for this virus and others know chances of just total and utter chaos in the next several weeks are pretty high. There is likely going to be mass looting in major cities and people going crazy over basic supplies. I don’t think that makes then stupid to buy a gun if they feel threatened in that environment and become a responsible gun owner

Did you miss the quote at the start of the article about the government using emergency powers to restrict gun buying? Or the NRA cheering it on? Or the guy who said, “strap on?” It’s like any reason whatsoever to drive fear and finally claim gun ownership is what everyone needs. What’s next, a forecast for 3” of rain and everyone rushes out to buy a gun?

What about the people buying for the first time and more than likely not taking gun safety courses or even having background checks conducted because of the hysteria? Is that “responsible?”

If that is what the law allows, then why is it not responsible? But did the article say anyone is skipping the required background checks?

There always has been and probably always will be unwarranted fear on gun control. I won’t argue that. The article and your original post were about the recent spike in gun sales. The article seems to explain the spike is related to the virus. Without rereading it I remember every person who actually bought a gun and was asked gave a reason related to the virus and not the government, except one who said his neighbor had been threatening him.
My point was the spike is not due to boredom as you seem to first suggest in your first post along with some random dude in a parking lot, but due to a fear of society as this virus unravels. 

We can argue who those people are, whether or not they eat at Popeyes, if that fear is legit or not etc. But that’s a different topic. There is enough evidence in this article to suggest the spike is just concern over what this virus will do to society and how people will react to it, and not just a way to pass the time while in quarantine.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

First, I think this is the least aggressive and condescending response I’ve had and I appreciate the opportunity to have a really reply.
Yes, I avoid Black Friday and I did avoided Popeyes when people were literally getting into fistfights over ordering the last sandwich. But I can only avoid buying toilet paper and groceries for so long.

While I’m sure gun prices have increased since 2000, this article specifically is taking about the recent spike, the fact that sales went up 68% during the last week of February. That is a huge spike, that if isn’t directly related to this virus has got to be the biggest coincidence I’ve heard of. 
But your quotes from the article really have nothing to do with the theme of it. While pretty stupid I agree,  one guy refusing to talk to the reporter unless he shakes his hand says nothing about guns sales. Honestly probably just his way of getting out of talking and nothing else. Some dude saying it’s just the flu, I took that as his way of saying this panic is over hyped. And it is in my opinion. While this isn’t just the flu (and for a while I thought it was, but realized I was wrong) it still doesn’t deserve this level of panic, and I think that was his point. 

And the dude with the pickup who made the sports comment, you’re smart enough to know to not give that any weight. He may have been sarcastic, who knows.  Even if he wasn’t, why would you take his word on why people are buying guns over the word of the people actually buying the guns? People who are actually buying the guns are saying they are buying them because they are afraid for various reasons. Many of which are Asians, who are being unfairly targeted during this. Some are just afraid of the chaos we are already witnessing and this is just barely getting started. We’re literally day 1 into an 8 week school closure.

The spike of guns sales is because people are being blamed for this virus and others know chances of just total and utter chaos in the next several weeks are pretty high. There is likely going to be mass looting in major cities and people going crazy over basic supplies. I don’t think that makes then stupid to buy a gun if they feel threatened in that environment and become a responsible gun owner

Did you miss the quote at the start of the article about the government using emergency powers to restrict gun buying? Or the NRA cheering it on? Or the guy who said, “strap on?” It’s like any reason whatsoever to drive fear and finally claim gun ownership is what everyone needs. What’s next, a forecast for 3” of rain and everyone rushes out to buy a gun?

What about the people buying for the first time and more than likely not taking gun safety courses or even having background checks conducted because of the hysteria? Is that “responsible?”

If that is what the law allows, then why is it not responsible? But did the article say anyone is skipping the required background checks?

There always has been and probably always will be unwarranted fear on gun control. I won’t argue that. The article and your original post were about the recent spike in gun sales. The article seems to explain the spike is related to the virus. Without rereading it I remember every person who actually bought a gun and was asked gave a reason related to the virus and not the government, except one who said his neighbor had been threatening him.
My point was the spike is not due to boredom as you seem to first suggest in your first post along with some random dude in a parking lot, but due to a fear of society as this virus unravels. 

We can argue who those people are, whether or not they eat at Popeyes, if that fear is legit or not etc. But that’s a different topic. There is enough evidence in this article to suggest the spike is just concern over what this virus will do to society and how people will react to it, and not just a way to pass the time while in quarantine.

It’s driven by fear. As such, it’s pathetic. Always scared. Going through life thinking you have to carry or possess, because? Because of what? A virus? A Democrat POTUS? The other? Team Trump Treason doesn’t get re-elected? When do the gun nutters begin to have faith in their fellow man? Or the sweet baby Jesus they constantly go on about? You do realize the stockpiling of weaponry and ammo and people rushing out to buy guns is uniquely American? Rah, rah, rah, USA, USA, USA, MAGA & KAG. What a sick, pathetic, scared society.

dudeman

People appear to be stocking up on guns and ammo around here, too.

Halifax2TheMax

dudeman said:

People appear to be stocking up on guns and ammo around here, too.

Where is “around here?”

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

If I wasn’t already a gun owner, and if I wasn’t anti-gun, and lived in a major city like LA I would be considering buying my first gun right now.

which is a weird thing to say because there is less gun violence per capita in cities than there is in rural areas

Why? Big cities are the ones getting prepared for mass looting. LA county sent a memo to all the deputies yesterday ordering them to only arrest for the most severe crimes because with courts being closed people who are locked up and expected to be put in a matter of days will likely be locked up for months instead and there is going to be overcrowding like they’ve never seen before. I know because my brother showed me this memo he got. It’s some crazy stuff they are preparing for. Average town mid-America probably won’t experience this, but LA probably will.

“I know because my brother showed me this memo he got. It’s some crazy stuff they are preparing for.” Like what?

You previously claimed there was going to be a total lock down of LA. Yet, no press reports of such a thing. You’ve also claimed that Sleepy “Woke” Biden “forced” his secret Service detail to watch him swim naked, yet you didn’t want to link to it because of “work.” Well, I think you’re home now, prove me wrong.

And now, upon checking about that curfew you also claimed your brother told you about, there’s not one google hit, except for LA having a curfew for those under 18 between the hours of 11:00 pm and 6:00 a.m. Please start linking to facts and stop making shit up.

“LA county will only arrest for the most serious crimes?” Can you link to that as well? Because something like that would be newsworthy, right? Like Biden “forcing” his SS detail to watch him swim naked? And in an organization as large as the LA County Sheriff’s Department that would never come to light, right? But you “know.”

Maybe screen shot the shared memo, redacting names to protect the innocent?

Fear, it’s a beautiful thing.

dudeman

Halifax2TheMax said:

dudeman said:

People appear to be stocking up on guns and ammo around here, too.

Where is “around here?”

Michigan. 

CM189191

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

If I wasn’t already a gun owner, and if I wasn’t anti-gun, and lived in a major city like LA I would be considering buying my first gun right now.

which is a weird thing to say because there is less gun violence per capita in cities than there is in rural areas

Why? Big cities are the ones getting prepared for mass looting. LA county sent a memo to all the deputies yesterday ordering them to only arrest for the most severe crimes because with courts being closed people who are locked up and expected to be put in a matter of days will likely be locked up for months instead and there is going to be overcrowding like they’ve never seen before. I know because my brother showed me this memo he got. It’s some crazy stuff they are preparing for. Average town mid-America probably won’t experience this, but LA probably will.

“I know because my brother showed me this memo he got. It’s some crazy stuff they are preparing for.” Like what?

You previously claimed there was going to be a total lock down of LA. Yet, no press reports of such a thing. You’ve also claimed that Sleepy “Woke” Biden “forced” his secret Service detail to watch him swim naked, yet you didn’t want to link to it because of “work.” Well, I think you’re home now, prove me wrong.

And now, upon checking about that curfew you also claimed your brother told you about, there’s not one google hit, except for LA having a curfew for those under 18 between the hours of 11:00 pm and 6:00 a.m. Please start linking to facts and stop making shit up.

“LA county will only arrest for the most serious crimes?” Can you link to that as well? Because something like that would be newsworthy, right? Like Biden “forcing” his SS detail to watch him swim naked? And in an organization as large as the LA County Sheriff’s Department that would never come to light, right? But you “know.”

Maybe screen shot the shared memo, redacting names to protect the innocent?

Fear, it’s a beautiful thing.

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