America's Gun Violence
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The ban was 100% effective in controlling the importation of assault style weapons, it did not effectively curb gun related or assault type deaths.tbergs said:
So, then ultimately it wasn't the ban that was ineffective as you have tried to claim, but the limited scope of the law because the gun lobby was able to ensure loopholes, like gun show purchases. The ban was effective, just not 100% because it was set up to fail from the beginning. Unfortunately real measures will never be allowed unless all gun owners and the gun lobby push for the changes.tempo_n_groove said:
The girlfriend bought it legally though and gave them to the two boys which was illegal. The Kel-tec was also purchased legally.tbergs said:
The TEC-9 they used was purchased privately and illegally through some asshole nitwit. It was not something they could go and buy at a local gun shop. The ban actually worked, but a law abiding gun owner became an illegal arms dealer and accomplice in a mass shooting just like that.tempo_n_groove said:
Columbine for one. Remember that crap?Spiritual_Chaos said:
How much of the crap between 94-04 happend with newly aquired assault weapons?tempo_n_groove said:
And someone came up with this. Last part of the article.Halifax2TheMax said:Well, one aspect of gun violence has been studied.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/11/us/school-shootings-united-states.html
“These shootings have been carried out by all sorts of people from students to total strangers,” Mr. Reidman said. “They’ve happened in any part of the country and they’ve happened for just about every reason, and that makes prevention very difficult. There can’t be any one single or simple solution that’s going to address this problem.”
I could have sworn there was another study done on this years ago and they stopped funding it?!? I'll try to find it.
I'm all for another study on why these things happen. Something not mentioned in the article was that there was an assault weapons ban from 94-04 and crap still happened.
Everyone forgets that it was an import ban. You could still buy assault weapons at a far more expensive price but you could buy them.
Also saying "it worked" is like saying it was working before that then since not many happened prior to it but we could debate that idea all day.
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Well then, where is the argument....tempo_n_groove said:
The ban was 100% effective in controlling the importation of assault style weapons, it did not effectively curb gun related or assault type deaths.tbergs said:
So, then ultimately it wasn't the ban that was ineffective as you have tried to claim, but the limited scope of the law because the gun lobby was able to ensure loopholes, like gun show purchases. The ban was effective, just not 100% because it was set up to fail from the beginning. Unfortunately real measures will never be allowed unless all gun owners and the gun lobby push for the changes.tempo_n_groove said:
The girlfriend bought it legally though and gave them to the two boys which was illegal. The Kel-tec was also purchased legally.tbergs said:
The TEC-9 they used was purchased privately and illegally through some asshole nitwit. It was not something they could go and buy at a local gun shop. The ban actually worked, but a law abiding gun owner became an illegal arms dealer and accomplice in a mass shooting just like that.tempo_n_groove said:
Columbine for one. Remember that crap?Spiritual_Chaos said:
How much of the crap between 94-04 happend with newly aquired assault weapons?tempo_n_groove said:
And someone came up with this. Last part of the article.Halifax2TheMax said:Well, one aspect of gun violence has been studied.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/11/us/school-shootings-united-states.html
“These shootings have been carried out by all sorts of people from students to total strangers,” Mr. Reidman said. “They’ve happened in any part of the country and they’ve happened for just about every reason, and that makes prevention very difficult. There can’t be any one single or simple solution that’s going to address this problem.”
I could have sworn there was another study done on this years ago and they stopped funding it?!? I'll try to find it.
I'm all for another study on why these things happen. Something not mentioned in the article was that there was an assault weapons ban from 94-04 and crap still happened.
Everyone forgets that it was an import ban. You could still buy assault weapons at a far more expensive price but you could buy them.
Also saying "it worked" is like saying it was working before that then since not many happened prior to it but we could debate that idea all day.
It also only lasted for 10 years... because why restrict anything that has to do with Assault Rifles. They are a part of everyday life ofc."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Texas police officer fatally shoots woman who reportedly said ‘I’m pregnant
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Might as well just put all police shootings here as well...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
first, I don't think clear actions should be the barometer for expectation. however, leadership and speaking out and any type of influence, no matter the cause, is a clear action.oftenreading said:
Yes, exactly.bootlegger10 said:
I thought I understood what you are saying. Expectations of groups to police themselves. What I am seeing is that one job is a lot tougher. It is a lot tougher to change a terrorist’s ideology than to enact gun control and safety measures. That is what I was getting at. It should be simple to give an object you will likely never use or need to make someone else’s world safer. An act of a Congress can go a long way. There is no act of Congress that can change a terrorist’s mind.HughFreakingDillon said:
i'm not sure where all this came from. this has nothing to do with my original statement. i abhor guns. in a perfect world, they'd be illegal.bootlegger10 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I already stated. our expectations of one group simply don't allign with those of another because they are of different political/theological persuasion.oftenreading said:
What, specifically?HughFreakingDillon said:
I see many parallels.oftenreading said:
Because the issues are completely different.HughFreakingDillon said:I mean, I'll probably get thrashed from the "false equivalency" crowd, but why, as liberals, do we:
-say it's not all muslims when a muslim carries out a terrorist attack, and when people lash out at the muslim community for not speaking up against muslim extremists, we say it's not their job to do so, because it's not really islam the terrorist is preaching, etc, yet...
-when someone shoots up a school or a movie theatre, we liberals expect gun owners to step up and fix the gun problem?
With gun control, we expect and hope that gun owners, the so-called good guys, will advocate for effective gun legislation that will help to reduce gun violence.
With terrorist attacks, what sort of legislative change are we expecting or hoping that Muslims would lobby for? What do you see making a difference? I don’t recall actually seeing the Muslim community argue against laws regarding terrorism or taking a pro-terrorism stance the way that gun owners take a pro-gun stance.
Both are societal issues, but I see the two groups reacting quite differently in their responses.Yeah, we can legalize nuclear bombs and 99% of the population can be trusted not to set off their nuclear bomb. That doesn't mean we should legalize nukes. YEah, we can trust 99% of gun owners to not murder somebody but do they need the guns in the first place? Is the benefit that gun owners get from their weapons enough to compensate for all the negatives that gun victims and their families deal with? I don't have gun and maybe I just don't understand what I've been missing.
Yeah, we can trust 99% of Muslims not to be terrorists, but what is the simple action to take like taking a gun from a box in someone's closet? How do you change an ideology as easily as taking an object that is total unnecessary to someone's daily life?
all i said was, we have different expectations of groups where a very small portion of said group commits heinous acts. for gun owners, when a mass shooting happens, we expect them to bend over backwards to fix the problem. when an extremist kills a bunch of people, the right calls for muslims to condemn them and stand up and do something about it. the left says it isn't their responsibility.
often says i'm comparing apples to oranges (paraphrasing), but i'm just talking about our expectations of the moral obligations of groups of people seem to be different depending on our views of each group.
i guess If I am understanding your question correctly is that my expectations of gun owners is higher because there are clear actions that can be taken to help the situation and they choose not to act. I don’t see as many clear actions that Muslims can take tomorrow to limit terrorism. So, I am hard on gun owners because they refuse to act.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
that's not all that i said.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
again, not what i was saying. but i've explained it enough.oftenreading said:And of course, all of the above is separate from the ridiculous notion that you can equate possession of an inanimate, unnecessary object with a core feature of a person’s identity and culture.
Saying "I see parallels" is not an explanation.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
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I agree with this 100%.Halifax2TheMax said:0 -
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Wth? Whyba “costume” at all? The whole purpose is it could be anyone from the school...or community. Stupid stupid people.Bentleyspop said:
But then again - lawmakers and their lack of action and the NRA have our people without the proper knowledge in a position of having to deal with this shit.hippiemom = goodness0 -
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When I was in Iraq the local attire consisted of the Kaffiyeh or head scarf. Seeing people with their faces covered up zooming around on motor bikes and in the streets I was at first concerned that all these people look like the terrorists portrayed on tv. I then realized that I'm an idiot and this is essential for desert life here in Iraq and serves as form and function as they cover their heads from the sun and their mouths from the dust.Bentleyspop said:
What they did as a reenactment is as dumb as I was when I first saw them... Teach the people.0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:
How much of the crap between 94-04 happend with newly aquired assault weapons?tempo_n_groove said:
And someone came up with this. Last part of the article.Halifax2TheMax said:Well, one aspect of gun violence has been studied.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/11/us/school-shootings-united-states.html
“These shootings have been carried out by all sorts of people from students to total strangers,” Mr. Reidman said. “They’ve happened in any part of the country and they’ve happened for just about every reason, and that makes prevention very difficult. There can’t be any one single or simple solution that’s going to address this problem.”
I could have sworn there was another study done on this years ago and they stopped funding it?!? I'll try to find it.
I'm all for another study on why these things happen. Something not mentioned in the article was that there was an assault weapons ban from 94-04 and crap still happened.
Should we abolish speed limits also?0 -
Guns are made to kill people. If there really are two sides to this whole thing, I'll take the side that doesn't support the item that is made to kill people. I'll sleep better with a clear conscience.
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Get ready for a mass shooting near you. Funny that NRA doesn’t support funding the ATF.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/23/us/atf-agents-hunting-down-illegal-machine-gun-device-invs/index.html
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I've never understood the want or need to take a firearm and make it full auto? You take a legal gun and then make it illegal and a big time felony when you get caught with it.Halifax2TheMax said:Get ready for a mass shooting near you. Funny that NRA doesn’t support funding the ATF.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/23/us/atf-agents-hunting-down-illegal-machine-gun-device-invs/index.html
If it's going on an illegal gun then I guess it's just stupid all around.0 -
Me either, very very stupid. I hope they all get caught. There is zero need for full auto.tempo_n_groove said:
I've never understood the want or need to take a firearm and make it full auto? You take a legal gun and then make it illegal and a big time felony when you get caught with it.Halifax2TheMax said:Get ready for a mass shooting near you. Funny that NRA doesn’t support funding the ATF.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/23/us/atf-agents-hunting-down-illegal-machine-gun-device-invs/index.html
If it's going on an illegal gun then I guess it's just stupid all around.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I don't have a desire for full auto either. Seems like a massive waste of money to me.
Does anyone have stats on how often full auto weapons are used in violent crime?If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
But there is a needmcgruff10 said:
Me either, very very stupid. I hope they all get caught. There is zero need for full auto.tempo_n_groove said:
I've never understood the want or need to take a firearm and make it full auto? You take a legal gun and then make it illegal and a big time felony when you get caught with it.Halifax2TheMax said:Get ready for a mass shooting near you. Funny that NRA doesn’t support funding the ATF.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/23/us/atf-agents-hunting-down-illegal-machine-gun-device-invs/index.html
If it's going on an illegal gun then I guess it's just stupid all around.
A God given need
Via the 2nd amendment
The right to be able to kill and injure as many people as possible as quickly as posible.0
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