America's Gun Violence

PJ_Soul

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

This is getting a bit silly.  People say that no one needs quick access to a firearm and say that it is “fear” driving them to think someone will break into their house (some say they don’t even lock their doors).  And then in the same breath people are “afraid” of a criminal breaking into someone’s house and stealing their guns and ammo that are stored together in a secure vault?  Lol. Do we fear people breaking in or not???

Lol. Great point 

No it's not. Almost all burglaries are undertaken when nobody is home. So the concern about guns being stolen is a realistic one, while the fear of being invaded while the homeowner is actually there so that they can defend themselves with a gun is not so much. But FWIW, I don't think keeping ammo separate from guns has anything to do with gun theft.

That’s why you get a dog, people will rarely break into places with a dog barking at them.  Those schizophrenia inducing cats won’t protect shit! 

Instead of locking doors, my parents used to keep a light on inside, turn the radio on, and post a beware of dog sign on the door. We never had a dog, lol.

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

Not offended here either, but not necessarily interested in giving a serious response to a condescending anger fueled hypothetical with straw men mixed in.  You may get better responses if you act like an adult...but I could be wrong.  This is the AMT after all!

I'll act how I please, so don't tell me how to. And yes, I'm anger fueled.  I'm angry that time and time again large groups of innocent children, movie-goers, church worshippers, shoppers, office workers, etc, etc, are shot up in public places and not a single fucking thing gets done except thoughts and prayers. Sue me for being a bit pissed off at gun culture in this nation.  You can't be bothered to respond to an honest question just because I'm angry but spend time responding to me anyway to tell me how I should act.  If I don't fit your "worthy of response" criteria, why respond at all?

The question remains and no one has given an answer.  Why are Americans so fascinated with guns?  Why is gun culture so ingrained in the American mind? Why is banning assault weapons so threatening to gun lovers?  And again, pretend the Constitution never existed when forming your answer. I'm not looking for automatic responses like "It's my right" or "The Constitution says" or "Heller says" or "Founding Fathers thought."  What makes people so happy and defensive about their guns?

I've been shooting since I was 9.  Shot my first AR-15 around that time.  Have always been around firearms.  Shot competitively for a while.  Took training classes.  Had a lot of fun with it.  Enjoy the history, evolution of the weapons and the sporting part of it.

Taking away what I do/did for recreation is a big deal to me when all I have ever done is be law abiding and safe with my firearms.  There are a lot of other people that have followed the same path, millions actually, and don't want to give those things up.

but wouldn't you be ok with giving up a hobby if it saves even one life? if I could save anyone's life by giving up something I love doing, I'd do it in a nanosecond. 

You phrase this in a way that will make me sound like a jerk if I disagree with it...  It's the equivalent of asking someone if they still beat their wife.

I'm going to turn the tables around and ask that we all make cars that can only do 65mph because that saves lives.  No more speeding on the highway or roads, racing or motorsports for the sake of saving one life(s).

I think that car idea is fantastic. Cars should not be made to go faster than the max speed limit unless they are race cars. That would definitely prevent deaths.

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

Not offended here either, but not necessarily interested in giving a serious response to a condescending anger fueled hypothetical with straw men mixed in.  You may get better responses if you act like an adult...but I could be wrong.  This is the AMT after all!

I'll act how I please, so don't tell me how to. And yes, I'm anger fueled.  I'm angry that time and time again large groups of innocent children, movie-goers, church worshippers, shoppers, office workers, etc, etc, are shot up in public places and not a single fucking thing gets done except thoughts and prayers. Sue me for being a bit pissed off at gun culture in this nation.  You can't be bothered to respond to an honest question just because I'm angry but spend time responding to me anyway to tell me how I should act.  If I don't fit your "worthy of response" criteria, why respond at all?

The question remains and no one has given an answer.  Why are Americans so fascinated with guns?  Why is gun culture so ingrained in the American mind? Why is banning assault weapons so threatening to gun lovers?  And again, pretend the Constitution never existed when forming your answer. I'm not looking for automatic responses like "It's my right" or "The Constitution says" or "Heller says" or "Founding Fathers thought."  What makes people so happy and defensive about their guns?

I've been shooting since I was 9.  Shot my first AR-15 around that time.  Have always been around firearms.  Shot competitively for a while.  Took training classes.  Had a lot of fun with it.  Enjoy the history, evolution of the weapons and the sporting part of it.

Taking away what I do/did for recreation is a big deal to me when all I have ever done is be law abiding and safe with my firearms.  There are a lot of other people that have followed the same path, millions actually, and don't want to give those things up.

I"m very similar; started walking the fields around 7 or 8 with my grand father and dad.  Shot a shot gun around age 8 or 9, got my hunting license at age ten.  The rest is history.  

Killing at age 10 would have fucked me up in the head badly.

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Meanwhile, just another “responsible” gun owner somewhere, somehow being “responsible.”

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2019/03/19/juvenile-charged-fatal-double-shooting-alton-new-hampshire

And, would you consider this a case of domestic violence and include the male victim in your tally?

Not sure when you can start reporting news on the actual millions of responsible gun owners.  I know you don't have it in you but it would be nice for once as you should also understand by now that every person you call "responsible" is not.  It just fits your rhetoric.

Feel free to post away or start a thread. Just keeping it true to the thread title.

We had a gun positivity thread and people shit all over that so why try another when you know what the outcome would be.  There are only like 3 of us anyways...

tempo_n_groove

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

This is getting a bit silly.  People say that no one needs quick access to a firearm and say that it is “fear” driving them to think someone will break into their house (some say they don’t even lock their doors).  And then in the same breath people are “afraid” of a criminal breaking into someone’s house and stealing their guns and ammo that are stored together in a secure vault?  Lol. Do we fear people breaking in or not???

Lol. Great point 

No it's not. Almost all burglaries are undertaken when nobody is home. So the concern about guns being stolen is a realistic one, while the fear of being invaded while the homeowner is actually there so that they can defend themselves with a gun is not so much. But FWIW, I don't think keeping ammo separate from guns has anything to do with gun theft.

That’s why you get a dog, people will rarely break into places with a dog barking at them.  Those schizophrenia inducing cats won’t protect shit! 

Instead of locking doors, my parents used to keep a light on inside, turn the radio on, and post a beware of dog sign on the door. We never had a dog, lol.

You and a few others have made me realize how to figure out if someone in Canada isn't home, just check the door.

Locked=not home
unlocked=home

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

And I guess these three kids don’t count in the domestic violence tally.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2019/03/19/sheffield-fire-murder-suicide

Not sure if you take everything out of context on purpose or not. The whole domestic violence was brought up as a defense for storing guns and ammo separately, in order to give the victim extra time to flea. Those of us who own and properly store guns don't agree with that assessment. 
Not sure how this is related at all to anything we've been talking about. Are you suggesting if he stored his ammo separately that would have given him extra time to think about his act and he would not have set his house on fire? If not, then it isn't related to the domestic violence discussion that was going on and not sure why it was posted here.

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

Not offended here either, but not necessarily interested in giving a serious response to a condescending anger fueled hypothetical with straw men mixed in.  You may get better responses if you act like an adult...but I could be wrong.  This is the AMT after all!

I'll act how I please, so don't tell me how to. And yes, I'm anger fueled.  I'm angry that time and time again large groups of innocent children, movie-goers, church worshippers, shoppers, office workers, etc, etc, are shot up in public places and not a single fucking thing gets done except thoughts and prayers. Sue me for being a bit pissed off at gun culture in this nation.  You can't be bothered to respond to an honest question just because I'm angry but spend time responding to me anyway to tell me how I should act.  If I don't fit your "worthy of response" criteria, why respond at all?

The question remains and no one has given an answer.  Why are Americans so fascinated with guns?  Why is gun culture so ingrained in the American mind? Why is banning assault weapons so threatening to gun lovers?  And again, pretend the Constitution never existed when forming your answer. I'm not looking for automatic responses like "It's my right" or "The Constitution says" or "Heller says" or "Founding Fathers thought."  What makes people so happy and defensive about their guns?

I've been shooting since I was 9.  Shot my first AR-15 around that time.  Have always been around firearms.  Shot competitively for a while.  Took training classes.  Had a lot of fun with it.  Enjoy the history, evolution of the weapons and the sporting part of it.

Taking away what I do/did for recreation is a big deal to me when all I have ever done is be law abiding and safe with my firearms.  There are a lot of other people that have followed the same path, millions actually, and don't want to give those things up.

but wouldn't you be ok with giving up a hobby if it saves even one life? if I could save anyone's life by giving up something I love doing, I'd do it in a nanosecond. 

You phrase this in a way that will make me sound like a jerk if I disagree with it...  It's the equivalent of asking someone if they still beat their wife.

I'm going to turn the tables around and ask that we all make cars that can only do 65mph because that saves lives.  No more speeding on the highway or roads, racing or motorsports for the sake of saving one life(s).

actually, that's not turning the tables at all. I have said for decades that it is utterly incomprehensible that we make cars that can go triple of what is deemed safe for humans to drive publicly. I'd be completely on board with all cars capping at 65mph and emergency vehicles obviously being exempt from this. 

no, i wasn't trying to frame it that you'd sound like a jerk. I suppose I can see how you'd take it that way. 

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

This is getting a bit silly.  People say that no one needs quick access to a firearm and say that it is “fear” driving them to think someone will break into their house (some say they don’t even lock their doors).  And then in the same breath people are “afraid” of a criminal breaking into someone’s house and stealing their guns and ammo that are stored together in a secure vault?  Lol. Do we fear people breaking in or not???

Lol. Great point 

No it's not. Almost all burglaries are undertaken when nobody is home. So the concern about guns being stolen is a realistic one, while the fear of being invaded while the homeowner is actually there so that they can defend themselves with a gun is not so much. But FWIW, I don't think keeping ammo separate from guns has anything to do with gun theft.

That’s why you get a dog, people will rarely break into places with a dog barking at them.  Those schizophrenia inducing cats won’t protect shit! 

Instead of locking doors, my parents used to keep a light on inside, turn the radio on, and post a beware of dog sign on the door. We never had a dog, lol.

You and a few others have made me realize how to figure out if someone in Canada isn't home, just check the door.

Locked=not home
unlocked=home

isn't that how it works everywhere? or do you keep your doors locked when home? the only time my doors are locked at home is when i'm sleeping or in the shower. 

HughFreakingDillon

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

Not offended here either, but not necessarily interested in giving a serious response to a condescending anger fueled hypothetical with straw men mixed in.  You may get better responses if you act like an adult...but I could be wrong.  This is the AMT after all!

I'll act how I please, so don't tell me how to. And yes, I'm anger fueled.  I'm angry that time and time again large groups of innocent children, movie-goers, church worshippers, shoppers, office workers, etc, etc, are shot up in public places and not a single fucking thing gets done except thoughts and prayers. Sue me for being a bit pissed off at gun culture in this nation.  You can't be bothered to respond to an honest question just because I'm angry but spend time responding to me anyway to tell me how I should act.  If I don't fit your "worthy of response" criteria, why respond at all?

The question remains and no one has given an answer.  Why are Americans so fascinated with guns?  Why is gun culture so ingrained in the American mind? Why is banning assault weapons so threatening to gun lovers?  And again, pretend the Constitution never existed when forming your answer. I'm not looking for automatic responses like "It's my right" or "The Constitution says" or "Heller says" or "Founding Fathers thought."  What makes people so happy and defensive about their guns?

I've been shooting since I was 9.  Shot my first AR-15 around that time.  Have always been around firearms.  Shot competitively for a while.  Took training classes.  Had a lot of fun with it.  Enjoy the history, evolution of the weapons and the sporting part of it.

Taking away what I do/did for recreation is a big deal to me when all I have ever done is be law abiding and safe with my firearms.  There are a lot of other people that have followed the same path, millions actually, and don't want to give those things up.

but wouldn't you be ok with giving up a hobby if it saves even one life? if I could save anyone's life by giving up something I love doing, I'd do it in a nanosecond. 

What kinds of things do you love doing?  People die in boating accidents all the time, should boats and fishing be illegal to save “even one life”?  I mean, it’s just a hobbie...?  
I grew up similarly to tempo, but being in a farming and ranching family, firearm ownership was well beyond the confides of hobby use and were needed for everyday use (predator control, rattlesnakes, etc).  I don’t claim to know why someone in the inner city may feel the need to own one, just as I don’t expect them to know why a rancher would.  That’s why the only justification you really need is that it is your individual constitutional right to do so.  
But, back to your point, how is tempo giving up his hobbie going to save a life (assuming he does follow safety measures and I have no reason to believe otherwise)?

what I mean is, if guns were to be made illegal. would he be ok with that knowing it would save lives?

hypothetically speaking, obviously, because this makes no sense, but it's my hobby: if guitars were the cause of hundreds of thousands of deaths per year, even though I used my responsibly, growing up playing guitar, if they made them illegal, I'd be sad, and annoyed that others couldn't be like me, but I'd understand it's for the greater good to take them away from everyone. 

mace1229

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

Not offended here either, but not necessarily interested in giving a serious response to a condescending anger fueled hypothetical with straw men mixed in.  You may get better responses if you act like an adult...but I could be wrong.  This is the AMT after all!

I'll act how I please, so don't tell me how to. And yes, I'm anger fueled.  I'm angry that time and time again large groups of innocent children, movie-goers, church worshippers, shoppers, office workers, etc, etc, are shot up in public places and not a single fucking thing gets done except thoughts and prayers. Sue me for being a bit pissed off at gun culture in this nation.  You can't be bothered to respond to an honest question just because I'm angry but spend time responding to me anyway to tell me how I should act.  If I don't fit your "worthy of response" criteria, why respond at all?

The question remains and no one has given an answer.  Why are Americans so fascinated with guns?  Why is gun culture so ingrained in the American mind? Why is banning assault weapons so threatening to gun lovers?  And again, pretend the Constitution never existed when forming your answer. I'm not looking for automatic responses like "It's my right" or "The Constitution says" or "Heller says" or "Founding Fathers thought."  What makes people so happy and defensive about their guns?

I've been shooting since I was 9.  Shot my first AR-15 around that time.  Have always been around firearms.  Shot competitively for a while.  Took training classes.  Had a lot of fun with it.  Enjoy the history, evolution of the weapons and the sporting part of it.

Taking away what I do/did for recreation is a big deal to me when all I have ever done is be law abiding and safe with my firearms.  There are a lot of other people that have followed the same path, millions actually, and don't want to give those things up.

I"m very similar; started walking the fields around 7 or 8 with my grand father and dad.  Shot a shot gun around age 8 or 9, got my hunting license at age ten.  The rest is history.  

Every one I know who spent time growing up around guns has more respect for them. We never went hunting, but my dad took me shooting on my 10th birthday and got my first .22 that day. It was always a big bonding experience I looked forward too, and now that my dad is almost 70 it something he looks forward to as much as I did when I was little.
Learning to handle and respect guns is not a bad thing, building relationships with family is not a bad thing. I've taken some adult friends in their 20s and 30s shooting for the first time, and it is the ones who have never held a gun that do stupid stuff, and I yell at them and never take them back out again.
I know that because you do something like this as a kid doesn't mean you won't turn out to be a bad person, but there is a lot of evidence to support that spending time with your father and learning how to handle a firearm will reduce those chances.  I don't know why so many act disgusted by that. 

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

This is getting a bit silly.  People say that no one needs quick access to a firearm and say that it is “fear” driving them to think someone will break into their house (some say they don’t even lock their doors).  And then in the same breath people are “afraid” of a criminal breaking into someone’s house and stealing their guns and ammo that are stored together in a secure vault?  Lol. Do we fear people breaking in or not???

Lol. Great point 

No it's not. Almost all burglaries are undertaken when nobody is home. So the concern about guns being stolen is a realistic one, while the fear of being invaded while the homeowner is actually there so that they can defend themselves with a gun is not so much. But FWIW, I don't think keeping ammo separate from guns has anything to do with gun theft.

That’s why you get a dog, people will rarely break into places with a dog barking at them.  Those schizophrenia inducing cats won’t protect shit! 

Instead of locking doors, my parents used to keep a light on inside, turn the radio on, and post a beware of dog sign on the door. We never had a dog, lol.

You and a few others have made me realize how to figure out if someone in Canada isn't home, just check the door.

Locked=not home
unlocked=home

Huh? That's not the case...

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

This is getting a bit silly.  People say that no one needs quick access to a firearm and say that it is “fear” driving them to think someone will break into their house (some say they don’t even lock their doors).  And then in the same breath people are “afraid” of a criminal breaking into someone’s house and stealing their guns and ammo that are stored together in a secure vault?  Lol. Do we fear people breaking in or not???

Lol. Great point 

No it's not. Almost all burglaries are undertaken when nobody is home. So the concern about guns being stolen is a realistic one, while the fear of being invaded while the homeowner is actually there so that they can defend themselves with a gun is not so much. But FWIW, I don't think keeping ammo separate from guns has anything to do with gun theft.

That’s why you get a dog, people will rarely break into places with a dog barking at them.  Those schizophrenia inducing cats won’t protect shit! 

Instead of locking doors, my parents used to keep a light on inside, turn the radio on, and post a beware of dog sign on the door. We never had a dog, lol.

You and a few others have made me realize how to figure out if someone in Canada isn't home, just check the door.

Locked=not home
unlocked=home

isn't that how it works everywhere? or do you keep your doors locked when home? the only time my doors are locked at home is when i'm sleeping or in the shower. 

I keep my door locked when home. I worry about someone accidentally walking into the wrong apartment. It's actually happened to me once.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And I guess these three kids don’t count in the domestic violence tally.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2019/03/19/sheffield-fire-murder-suicide

Not sure if you take everything out of context on purpose or not. The whole domestic violence was brought up as a defense for storing guns and ammo separately, in order to give the victim extra time to flea. Those of us who own and properly store guns don't agree with that assessment. 
Not sure how this is related at all to anything we've been talking about. Are you suggesting if he stored his ammo separately that would have given him extra time to think about his act and he would not have set his house on fire? If not, then it isn't related to the domestic violence discussion that was going on and not sure why it was posted here.

You posted a claim that only 50 women a month die by gunshot as a result of domestic violence and seem to always minimize the carnage caused by gun violence. Again, I wasn’t commenting specifically about gun/ammo storage but your minimization of domestic violence victims. It’s still just around 600 a year, right?

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And I guess these three kids don’t count in the domestic violence tally.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2019/03/19/sheffield-fire-murder-suicide

Not sure if you take everything out of context on purpose or not. The whole domestic violence was brought up as a defense for storing guns and ammo separately, in order to give the victim extra time to flea. Those of us who own and properly store guns don't agree with that assessment. 
Not sure how this is related at all to anything we've been talking about. Are you suggesting if he stored his ammo separately that would have given him extra time to think about his act and he would not have set his house on fire? If not, then it isn't related to the domestic violence discussion that was going on and not sure why it was posted here.

You posted a claim that only 50 women a month die by gunshot as a result of domestic violence and seem to always minimize the carnage caused by gun violence. Again, I wasn’t commenting specifically about gun/ammo storage but your minimization of domestic violence victims. It’s still just around 600 a year, right?

Giving facts is minimizing?
And probably yes. That 600 is the biggest fact, that number won't change much by including fatally shot men and children through domestic violence relationships.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And I guess these three kids don’t count in the domestic violence tally.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2019/03/19/sheffield-fire-murder-suicide

Not sure if you take everything out of context on purpose or not. The whole domestic violence was brought up as a defense for storing guns and ammo separately, in order to give the victim extra time to flea. Those of us who own and properly store guns don't agree with that assessment. 
Not sure how this is related at all to anything we've been talking about. Are you suggesting if he stored his ammo separately that would have given him extra time to think about his act and he would not have set his house on fire? If not, then it isn't related to the domestic violence discussion that was going on and not sure why it was posted here.

You posted a claim that only 50 women a month die by gunshot as a result of domestic violence and seem to always minimize the carnage caused by gun violence. Again, I wasn’t commenting specifically about gun/ammo storage but your minimization of domestic violence victims. It’s still just around 600 a year, right?

Giving facts is minimizing?
And probably yes. That 600 is the biggest fact, that number won't change much by including fatally shot men and children through domestic violence relationships.

600 lives don’t matter to you, good to know.

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And I guess these three kids don’t count in the domestic violence tally.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2019/03/19/sheffield-fire-murder-suicide

Not sure if you take everything out of context on purpose or not. The whole domestic violence was brought up as a defense for storing guns and ammo separately, in order to give the victim extra time to flea. Those of us who own and properly store guns don't agree with that assessment. 
Not sure how this is related at all to anything we've been talking about. Are you suggesting if he stored his ammo separately that would have given him extra time to think about his act and he would not have set his house on fire? If not, then it isn't related to the domestic violence discussion that was going on and not sure why it was posted here.

You posted a claim that only 50 women a month die by gunshot as a result of domestic violence and seem to always minimize the carnage caused by gun violence. Again, I wasn’t commenting specifically about gun/ammo storage but your minimization of domestic violence victims. It’s still just around 600 a year, right?

Giving facts is minimizing?
And probably yes. That 600 is the biggest fact, that number won't change much by including fatally shot men and children through domestic violence relationships.

600 lives don’t matter to you, good to know.

never once said that and never was my point.

Halifax2TheMax

Do these 7 count in your tally or just the estranged wife of the gunman?

https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/12/us/texas-plano-mass-shooting-at-cowboys-watch-party/index.html

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

This is getting a bit silly.  People say that no one needs quick access to a firearm and say that it is “fear” driving them to think someone will break into their house (some say they don’t even lock their doors).  And then in the same breath people are “afraid” of a criminal breaking into someone’s house and stealing their guns and ammo that are stored together in a secure vault?  Lol. Do we fear people breaking in or not???

Lol. Great point 

No it's not. Almost all burglaries are undertaken when nobody is home. So the concern about guns being stolen is a realistic one, while the fear of being invaded while the homeowner is actually there so that they can defend themselves with a gun is not so much. But FWIW, I don't think keeping ammo separate from guns has anything to do with gun theft.

That’s why you get a dog, people will rarely break into places with a dog barking at them.  Those schizophrenia inducing cats won’t protect shit! 

Instead of locking doors, my parents used to keep a light on inside, turn the radio on, and post a beware of dog sign on the door. We never had a dog, lol.

You and a few others have made me realize how to figure out if someone in Canada isn't home, just check the door.

Locked=not home
unlocked=home

isn't that how it works everywhere? or do you keep your doors locked when home? the only time my doors are locked at home is when i'm sleeping or in the shower. 

I keep my door locked when home. I worry about someone accidentally walking into the wrong apartment. It's actually happened to me once.

so did I when I lived in an apartment. I was speaking about living in my house. 

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

Do these 7 count in your tally or just the estranged wife of the gunman?

https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/12/us/texas-plano-mass-shooting-at-cowboys-watch-party/index.html

No, they were all responsible people looking for a P tape...

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

This is getting a bit silly.  People say that no one needs quick access to a firearm and say that it is “fear” driving them to think someone will break into their house (some say they don’t even lock their doors).  And then in the same breath people are “afraid” of a criminal breaking into someone’s house and stealing their guns and ammo that are stored together in a secure vault?  Lol. Do we fear people breaking in or not???

Lol. Great point 

No it's not. Almost all burglaries are undertaken when nobody is home. So the concern about guns being stolen is a realistic one, while the fear of being invaded while the homeowner is actually there so that they can defend themselves with a gun is not so much. But FWIW, I don't think keeping ammo separate from guns has anything to do with gun theft.

That’s why you get a dog, people will rarely break into places with a dog barking at them.  Those schizophrenia inducing cats won’t protect shit! 

Instead of locking doors, my parents used to keep a light on inside, turn the radio on, and post a beware of dog sign on the door. We never had a dog, lol.

You and a few others have made me realize how to figure out if someone in Canada isn't home, just check the door.

Locked=not home
unlocked=home

isn't that how it works everywhere? or do you keep your doors locked when home? the only time my doors are locked at home is when i'm sleeping or in the shower. 

I keep my door locked when home. I worry about someone accidentally walking into the wrong apartment. It's actually happened to me once.

so did I when I lived in an apartment. I was speaking about living in my house. 

I think if I lived in a house I'd probably keep the door locked too, just as someone who lives alone. I'm not paranoid, but why not take that extra precaution, since it takes no effort?