America's Gun Violence

Spiritual_Chaos

cincybearcat said:

a lot of the other answers depends on where you work. Some great other awful.

That should make people start to suspect the US isn't the greatest country in the world.

mace1229

I didn't know vacation was a "right" in some countries.
I think 2 weeks is standard here for new jobs, and common to have 4 or 5 weeks once you hit 10 years or so.

So in those countries are there any rights for hourly workers? Some crap employers get around vacation/sick time by sticking to hourly pay instead of salary, while others stick to salary to avoid over-time pay. Its sort of messed up with a lot of employers do.

Halifax2TheMax

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oftenreading

mace1229 said:

I didn't know vacation was a "right" in some countries.
I think 2 weeks is standard here for new jobs, and common to have 4 or 5 weeks once you hit 10 years or so.

So in those countries are there any rights for hourly workers? Some crap employers get around vacation/sick time by sticking to hourly pay instead of salary, while others stick to salary to avoid over-time pay. Its sort of messed up with a lot of employers do.

Actually, apparently 25% of American companies offer no paid vacation. Two weeks is considered typical after one year, up to five years, after which companies often offer three, and people don’t  generally get four until 20 years. 

Spiritual_Chaos

mace1229 said:

I didn't know vacation was a "right" in some countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country

But you go broke living in Sweden ofc... 

mace1229

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mace1229 said:

I didn't know vacation was a "right" in some countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country

But you go broke living in Sweden ofc... 

I didn't bother checking the references, but I wonder if those stats include sick time, and if they only considered full-time salary positions or if that includes hourly as well. Some companies differentiate between sick and vacation time, You may only get 2 weeks vacation, but you also get a week of sick time on top of that.
I've honestly never heard of a full-time salary employee anywhere not getting any sick or vacation time.
But that was pretty close to my guess. It said an average of 17 days after 10 years, thats 3 1/2 weeks. If you count the 8 days of holiday time that most (77%) get you'd be at 5 weeks paid time off on average after 10 years. 
I'd bet that a lot, probably most, of those with less paid vacation/holidays are hourly or commission/sales based jobs. And how many are self-employed. You can't really have paid vacation when your pay is based off sales or when you are your own employer.

Spiritual_Chaos

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mace1229 said:

I didn't know vacation was a "right" in some countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country

But you go broke living in Sweden ofc... 

I didn't bother checking the references, but I wonder if those stats include sick time, and if they only considered full-time salary positions or if that includes hourly as well. Some companies differentiate between sick and vacation time, You may only get 2 weeks vacation, but you also get a week of sick time on top of that.
I've honestly never heard of a full-time salary employee anywhere not getting any sick or vacation time.
But that was pretty close to my guess. It said an average of 17 days after 10 years, thats 3 1/2 weeks. If you count the 8 days of holiday time that most (77%) get you'd be at 5 weeks paid time off on average after 10 years. 
I'd bet that a lot, probably most, of those with less paid vacation/holidays are hourly or commission/sales based jobs. And how many are self-employed. You can't really have paid vacation when your pay is based off sales or when you are your own employer.

Sweden has paid sick leave.[49] The first sick day is usually not paid. After that day 80% of the income is paid for 364 days and 75% for a further maximum 550 days. A medical doctor must certify the illness no later than one week after the first sick day. A parent of a less than 12-year-old sick child can get paid leave to care for the child (termed "temporary parental leave"). In that case the first day is also paid. The state pays all these benefits, except for the first two weeks of sick leave for employees, which is paid by the employer.

How does the US do it?

Meltdown99

HughFreakingDillon said:

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my2hands said:

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PJPOWER said:

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oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

blackhawks said:

Meltdown99 said:

blackhawks said:

If I was on a computer and not my phone I could Tell you.  You can hunt in Sweden also.

He said you can not hunt Sweden.  I called him out on and he's pissed.   LMFAO

I see that.  I don’t know why he didn’t just scroll up and look at what he wrote.  Too busy looking for gifs and memes to express his thoughts.

There does seem to be a lot of time spent looking up gifs and memes.  So much time that it would be hard to find a full time job and would lead to what some call “failure to launch” I’m guessing.

You're no slouch in the meme posting department. Does your comment apply across the board?

I would say that my meme posting is extremely rare, not sure that can be said about posters that insert them in 90% of their posts.  What makes you think I am “no slouch in the meme pollsting department” or did you just assume that I post 20 memes/gifs a day because you don’t like me?  My comment only applies to those that spend a lot of time looking for gifs and memes and say they do not have time to work full time and are “failure to launchers”.   

Who in here do not have the time to work full time?

I have no idea, maybe someone that only works 80% of that because they are searching for memes/gif too many hours a day.  Know anyone of sorts?

How many weeks vacation do you guys have the right to, per year?

Seems he doesnt want to answer so I will, zero.

Right to? Zero. If you’re lucky, most places give you a week or two after a year, two weeks after the first year and maybe three weeks after five or ten years and maybe four weeks after 15-20 years. If you’re lucky. But there is no guaranteed number of vacation days legislated by the government. Americans typically leave 1/3 or 1/2 of their vacation days on the table and never take them, least they be penalized during the next round of corporate layoffs.

Guys, I'm starting to suspect the US isn't the greatest country in the world...

canadians have no right, I don't believe, to vacation (stat holidays are different) but after working 20 years in the same place, I get 5 weeks. 

In Ontario you get 3 weeks paid after 12 months ... 

PJ_Soul

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

my2hands said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

blackhawks said:

Meltdown99 said:

blackhawks said:

If I was on a computer and not my phone I could Tell you.  You can hunt in Sweden also.

He said you can not hunt Sweden.  I called him out on and he's pissed.   LMFAO

I see that.  I don’t know why he didn’t just scroll up and look at what he wrote.  Too busy looking for gifs and memes to express his thoughts.

There does seem to be a lot of time spent looking up gifs and memes.  So much time that it would be hard to find a full time job and would lead to what some call “failure to launch” I’m guessing.

You're no slouch in the meme posting department. Does your comment apply across the board?

I would say that my meme posting is extremely rare, not sure that can be said about posters that insert them in 90% of their posts.  What makes you think I am “no slouch in the meme pollsting department” or did you just assume that I post 20 memes/gifs a day because you don’t like me?  My comment only applies to those that spend a lot of time looking for gifs and memes and say they do not have time to work full time and are “failure to launchers”.   

Who in here do not have the time to work full time?

I have no idea, maybe someone that only works 80% of that because they are searching for memes/gif too many hours a day.  Know anyone of sorts?

How many weeks vacation do you guys have the right to, per year?

Seems he doesnt want to answer so I will, zero.

Right to? Zero. If you’re lucky, most places give you a week or two after a year, two weeks after the first year and maybe three weeks after five or ten years and maybe four weeks after 15-20 years. If you’re lucky. But there is no guaranteed number of vacation days legislated by the government. Americans typically leave 1/3 or 1/2 of their vacation days on the table and never take them, least they be penalized during the next round of corporate layoffs.

Guys, I'm starting to suspect the US isn't the greatest country in the world...

PJ_Soul

mace1229 said:

I didn't know vacation was a "right" in some countries.
I think 2 weeks is standard here for new jobs, and common to have 4 or 5 weeks once you hit 10 years or so.

So in those countries are there any rights for hourly workers? Some crap employers get around vacation/sick time by sticking to hourly pay instead of salary, while others stick to salary to avoid over-time pay. Its sort of messed up with a lot of employers do.

It's a right in all developed countries except America. But Canada is really bad with this as well - it ranks 3rd to last in paid vacations among developed nations. Guess who ranks last? Yes, the USA is called "the no vacation nation" in other countries. I can't figure out why Americans are so agreeable to this failure on the part of their government (just like I don't understand why they continue to tolerate their for-profit healthcare system aka human rights violation). Paid vacation minimums are the norm, and proven to have a positive impact in many regards. 

Even being that shamefully far down the list, Canada has basic minimums for paid vacations under the Canada Labour Code. Some provinces provide more than the minimum dictated federally, but no provinces can offer less than that. Obviously individual employers can and often do provide more vacation than is legally required (I have worked for my employer for I think 16 years, and am up to 7 weeks vacation/year. I started with 3). The basic entitlement in Canada is two weeks of vacation for every completed "year of employment". After six consecutive years of employment with the same employer, the entitlement increases to three weeks of vacation.

blackhawks

I have changed jobs and negotiated my vacations because quite frankly....just because I changed jobs doesn’t change my terms of service or why you are recruiting me.  So I get 5 weeks and 3 personal days.  

The US is  terrible.  I hope zero people want to ever immigrate here again.  In fact so want people to leave it is so terrible.

Bentleyspop

I have a friend who has lived in Paris for almost 20 years working for a French company.  He gets off all of August, 2 weeks at Christmas, and another 2 weeks to use as he wishes. This is in addition  to sick leave and personal days.

PJ_Soul

Bentleyspop said:

I have a friend who has lived in Paris for almost 20 years working for a French company.  He gets off all of August, 2 weeks at Christmas, and another 2 weeks to use as he wishes. This is in addition  to sick leave and personal days.

Yeah, France has a 52 day minimum for paid vacation I believe (I had a French BF once, and I'm pretty sure that's what he said it was).

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

I didn't know vacation was a "right" in some countries.
I think 2 weeks is standard here for new jobs, and common to have 4 or 5 weeks once you hit 10 years or so.

So in those countries are there any rights for hourly workers? Some crap employers get around vacation/sick time by sticking to hourly pay instead of salary, while others stick to salary to avoid over-time pay. Its sort of messed up with a lot of employers do.

It's a right in all developed countries except America. But Canada is really bad with this as well - it ranks 3rd to last in paid vacations among developed nations. Guess who ranks last? Yes, the USA is called "the no vacation nation" in other countries. I can't figure out why Americans are so agreeable to this failure on the part of their government (just like I don't understand why they continue to tolerate their for-profit healthcare system aka human rights violation). Paid vacation minimums are the norm, and proven to have a positive impact in many regards. 

Even being that shamefully far down the list, Canada has basic minimums for paid vacations under the Canada Labour Code. Some provinces provide more than the minimum dictated federally, but no provinces can offer less than that. Obviously individual employers can and often do provide more vacation than is legally required (I have worked for my employer for I think 16 years, and am up to 7 weeks vacation/year. I started with 3). The basic entitlement in Canada is two weeks of vacation for every completed "year of employment". After six consecutive years of employment with the same employer, the entitlement increases to three weeks of vacation.

That sounds about normal for here. They may not be mandated by law, but that is close to what the average is according to the wikipedia post provided earlier. It is listed as one of the worst because there is no federal requirement for it thoguh.
But honestly, I don't of anyone who works a full-time salary job without weeks of vacation pay with the exception of someone self-employed or commission based pay. The 20% or so who don't get it could easily be made up of those jobs. In either case it would be impossible to provide paid leave for that, and that probably is about 20% of workers who fall into those categories. I don't think anyone is so agreeable to take on a salary job without paid vacation.
Hourly jobs are a different story, but even some of those still pay for time off. I'm assuming all these regulations only apply to salary positions though.
I just question the reports that say it is as bad as that and don't account for those circumstances, such as wikipedia. I find it difficult to believe that only 77% of full time salary positions receive vacation time. You could get to 77% by ignoring the factors I pointed out.

Spiritual_Chaos

PJ_Soul said:

Bentleyspop said:

I have a friend who has lived in Paris for almost 20 years working for a French company.  He gets off all of August, 2 weeks at Christmas, and another 2 weeks to use as he wishes. This is in addition  to sick leave and personal days.

Yeah, France has a 52 day minimum for paid vacation I believe (I had a French BF once, and I'm pretty sure that's what he said it was).

5 weeks (30 days with Saturdays, but not Sundays counted as holidays) plus up to 22 days of RTT (Réduction du Temps de Travail, English: Reduction of Working Time) for the employees that choose to work more than 35 hours per week - the "limit" is 39 per week, further additional hours are compensated in almost all the cases by money and not by additional leave hours. Bonus days off are given to people who take a part of their annual leave outside summer (3 days grant 1 bonus day off, 6 days grant 2 bonus days off). Combining all these rules, in a few public offices and in a few companies like Orange, the resulting total, for certain employees, might be of 9.5 paid vacation weeks (5 weeks of vacation + 4 weeks of RTT + 0.5 week of bonus days off). Furthermore, there are 11 paid public holidays

mace1229

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

Bentleyspop said:

I have a friend who has lived in Paris for almost 20 years working for a French company.  He gets off all of August, 2 weeks at Christmas, and another 2 weeks to use as he wishes. This is in addition  to sick leave and personal days.

Yeah, France has a 52 day minimum for paid vacation I believe (I had a French BF once, and I'm pretty sure that's what he said it was).

5 weeks (30 days with Saturdays, but not Sundays counted as holidays) plus up to 22 days of RTT (Réduction du Temps de Travail, English: Reduction of Working Time) for the employees that choose to work more than 35 hours per week - the "limit" is 39 per week, further additional hours are compensated in almost all the cases by money and not by additional leave hours. Bonus days off are given to people who take a part of their annual leave outside summer (3 days grant 1 bonus day off, 6 days grant 2 bonus days off). Combining all these rules, in a few public offices and in a few companies like Orange, the resulting total, for certain employees, might be of 9.5 paid vacation weeks (5 weeks of vacation + 4 weeks of RTT + 0.5 week of bonus days off). Furthermore, there are 11 paid public holidays

That sounds amazing! And I love the 39 hour rule.
I never looked into it, but was told a law was passed that employees paid less than 50k must be hourly here. Because too many employers were forcing the employees to work over time without pay, for a job less than 50k. Totally sucks.

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

Bentleyspop said:

I have a friend who has lived in Paris for almost 20 years working for a French company.  He gets off all of August, 2 weeks at Christmas, and another 2 weeks to use as he wishes. This is in addition  to sick leave and personal days.

Yeah, France has a 52 day minimum for paid vacation I believe (I had a French BF once, and I'm pretty sure that's what he said it was).

5 weeks (30 days with Saturdays, but not Sundays counted as holidays) plus up to 22 days of RTT (Réduction du Temps de Travail, English: Reduction of Working Time) for the employees that choose to work more than 35 hours per week - the "limit" is 39 per week, further additional hours are compensated in almost all the cases by money and not by additional leave hours. Bonus days off are given to people who take a part of their annual leave outside summer (3 days grant 1 bonus day off, 6 days grant 2 bonus days off). Combining all these rules, in a few public offices and in a few companies like Orange, the resulting total, for certain employees, might be of 9.5 paid vacation weeks (5 weeks of vacation + 4 weeks of RTT + 0.5 week of bonus days off). Furthermore, there are 11 paid public holidays

That sounds amazing! And I love the 39 hour rule.
I never looked into it, but was told a law was passed that employees paid less than 50k must be hourly here. Because too many employers were forcing the employees to work over time without pay, for a job less than 50k. Totally sucks.

my dad worked for YEARS at an office job, working essentially unpaid overtime. like 2-3 hours DAILY. it robbed him and us of so much quality time all because he was over a certain salary, and he basically was told (this was the 80's) do it or go work somewhere else (and that it was his fault he didn't work faster). 

at one point he chose a demotion for himself and never worked another hour of unpaid OT. 

blackhawks

What our company says about Europe:  they work 24/7.  24 hours a week 7 months a year.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

blackhawks said:

What our company says about Europe:  they work 24/7.  24 hours a week 7 months a year.

They've got something figured out then.

blackhawks

For sure they do.