America's Gun Violence

PJPOWER

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

“Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol

there are plenty of citizens saying ban all guns. no politicians, that I've seen, are saying ban all guns. I think that's what people are referring to when saying "nobody is saying ban all guns". 

Maybe so, maybe the right phrase would be “nobodies are saying ban all guns”

HughFreakingDillon

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

“Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol

there are plenty of citizens saying ban all guns. no politicians, that I've seen, are saying ban all guns. I think that's what people are referring to when saying "nobody is saying ban all guns". 

Maybe so, maybe the right phrase would be “nobodies are saying ban all guns”

In all honesty, in a perfect world, guns would be illegal. the US is obviously way too far gone for that, but don't you agree it would be ideal? if criminals had automatic sentences of whatever term just for possessing one, don't you think that would drive down the need for citizens, or do you think people would still hang onto this "tyrannical government" nonsense?

PJPOWER

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

“Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol

there are plenty of citizens saying ban all guns. no politicians, that I've seen, are saying ban all guns. I think that's what people are referring to when saying "nobody is saying ban all guns". 

Maybe so, maybe the right phrase would be “nobodies are saying ban all guns”

In all honesty, in a perfect world, guns would be illegal. the US is obviously way too far gone for that, but don't you agree it would be ideal? if criminals had automatic sentences of whatever term just for possessing one, don't you think that would drive down the need for citizens, or do you think people would still hang onto this "tyrannical government" nonsense?

In a perfect world, there would be no criminals at all and there would be no tyrannical governments and farts would smell like daisies.  It is a pointless hypothetical, though, as daisies have very little nutritional value .  Yes, we are way too far gone for that and that’s why I mock those that suggest a complete gun ban.  

PJPOWER

It was two good guys with guns that dropped the asshat in OK evidently:
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/05/24/us/oklahoma-city-shooting/index.html

my2hands

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

“Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol

Would our country be better off without any guns at all?

Yes or no?

I'm a firm yes

mcgruff10

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

“Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol

Would our country be better off without any guns at all?

Yes or no?

I'm a firm yes

Has any country in the world banned guns completely from their citizens?

my2hands

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

“Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol

Would our country be better off without any guns at all?

Yes or no?

I'm a firm yes

Has any country in the world banned guns completely from their citizens?

I know its impossible... especially here... but

If there wasnt one single gun in this country, would it be better or worse?

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

“Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol

there are plenty of citizens saying ban all guns. no politicians, that I've seen, are saying ban all guns. I think that's what people are referring to when saying "nobody is saying ban all guns". 

Maybe so, maybe the right phrase would be “nobodies are saying ban all guns”

In all honesty, in a perfect world, guns would be illegal. the US is obviously way too far gone for that, but don't you agree it would be ideal? if criminals had automatic sentences of whatever term just for possessing one, don't you think that would drive down the need for citizens, or do you think people would still hang onto this "tyrannical government" nonsense?

I agree. IDEALLY, banning guns is the way I would want it to go in every country. The only reason I say that it shouldn't happen in the USA is because it would cause too much of a shit show because of the America gun fetish problem.

josevolution

i'm done debating this topic massacres are part of our culture and everyday life get used to it cause it's here to stay , if your out having dinner keep an eye out , if your at a movie , concert i don't go to any churches but if you do keep an eye out , if your into guns go ahead buy as many as you wan't the chances of you or family member getting hurt are increased by your hobby , I collect concert tickets they only remind me of good times ....

PJPOWER

my2hands said:

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

“Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol

Would our country be better off without any guns at all?

Yes or no?

I'm a firm yes

Has any country in the world banned guns completely from their citizens?

I know its impossible... especially here... but

If there wasnt one single gun in this country, would it be better or worse?

People have been finding ways of being violent since the beginning of time with or without guns.  For hunters, it would be definitely be worse .  For criminals...idk.  For law enforcement, probably worse.  I cannot imagine a present day country where they do not exist whatsoever.

my2hands

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

“Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol

there are plenty of citizens saying ban all guns. no politicians, that I've seen, are saying ban all guns. I think that's what people are referring to when saying "nobody is saying ban all guns". 

Maybe so, maybe the right phrase would be “nobodies are saying ban all guns”

In all honesty, in a perfect world, guns would be illegal. the US is obviously way too far gone for that, but don't you agree it would be ideal? if criminals had automatic sentences of whatever term just for possessing one, don't you think that would drive down the need for citizens, or do you think people would still hang onto this "tyrannical government" nonsense?

In a perfect world, there would be no criminals at all and there would be no tyrannical governments and farts would smell like daisies.  It is a pointless hypothetical, though, as daisies have very little nutritional value .  Yes, we are way too far gone for that and that’s why I mock those that suggest a complete gun ban.  

Your home arsenal wouldn't do shit to stop a tyrannical government...

Fact is, most of the time they convince the masses to go along with them... its easier to manipulate your citizens then fight them... 

Iraq invasion & occupation, shock & awe, torture, black rendition sites, detentioners held for years without charge at Guantanomo, at least 1 million dead.... that was, and is, fucking horrific and evil... disgusting... maybe the most "tyrannical" thing done by any country in my lifetime... and a ton of the masses cheered and supported it while waving flags... some still think it was fine and support it.... all based on lies, propaganda, and manipulation... your guns dont mean shit buddy, it's your brain they are going after

Happy Memorial Day weekend

PJ_Soul

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

“Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol

Would our country be better off without any guns at all?

Yes or no?

I'm a firm yes

Has any country in the world banned guns completely from their citizens?

I know its impossible... especially here... but

If there wasnt one single gun in this country, would it be better or worse?

People have been finding ways of being violent since the beginning of time with or without guns.  For hunters, it would be definitely be worse .  For criminals...idk.  For law enforcement, probably worse.  I cannot imagine a present day country where they do not exist whatsoever.

Who's talking about a world without violence? That isn't the point at all. And for hunters... yeah, it would be worse, if they care more about being able to hunt than they do thousands and thousands of people dying from gun shots every year.

josevolution

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

“Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol

Would our country be better off without any guns at all?

Yes or no?

I'm a firm yes

Has any country in the world banned guns completely from their citizens?

He asked a simple ? you answered with a ? of your own c'mon man your a teacher if your students started answering you ?s with ?s i bet you wouldn't be pleased ..
1- yes 
2- No 
choose your answer ..

mcgruff10

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

“Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol

Would our country be better off without any guns at all?

Yes or no?

I'm a firm yes

Has any country in the world banned guns completely from their citizens?

He asked a simple ? you answered with a ? of your own c'mon man your a teacher if your students started answering you ?s with ?s i bet you wouldn't be pleased ..
1- yes 
2- No 
choose your answer ..

Lol. Touché Jose!  
The question is illogical so how can you answer?  There will always be Guns in the nation. We just have to find a way to keep them out of the wrong hands and teach people to cope better instead of shooting up a god damn school. 

cincybearcat

unsung said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/24/us/oklahoma-city-shooting/index.html

Yee haw! Wild Wild West days are back.

I’m just happy to see no one was killed except the shooter. No innocent lives lost is the best possible outcome there. 

Judge, jury, executioner. “Confronted him outside.” Yup, Wild Wild West.
 

The shooter wore eye and hearing protection to his planned murder. He was an idiot and to be truthful, I'm completely okay with him meeting his end. The world doesn't need people like that anywhere.

The NRA is seizing the moment and promoting their company line at the moment (good guy with gun stops bad with gun). I guess we'll have to let them have their moment; however, it's a meaningless field goal at the end of a blowout (the score is now 77-3 in favour of the bad guys).

Good guy with a gun didnt stop anyone in this case.

The Sheriff believes otherwise.

The people shot disagree.

josevolution

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

“Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol

Would our country be better off without any guns at all?

Yes or no?

I'm a firm yes

Has any country in the world banned guns completely from their citizens?

He asked a simple ? you answered with a ? of your own c'mon man your a teacher if your students started answering you ?s with ?s i bet you wouldn't be pleased ..
1- yes 
2- No 
choose your answer ..

Lol. Touché Jose!  
The question is illogical so how can you answer?  There will always be Guns in the nation. We just have to find a way to keep them out of the wrong hands and teach people to cope better instead of shooting up a god damn school. 

I agree ! it would be a dream no guns but we all know it never will happen ......

jeffbr

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

Okay, so I am now for the banning of all guns.  There has to be a way for homeowners to feel safe though.  Perhaps a stun gun or some other type of weapon that absolutely can't be used for a mass shooting. 

If you want to go hunting, then you can go through a background check, and rent a gun for the hunting trip. 

I haven't thought through all the scenarios, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.  To those on this board that want to take no action, you are disturbed individuals and you may not even know it.  It was like when I was collecting Pearl Jam vinyl and trying to get every color, I didn't realize at the time how stupid that was. 

Like PJsoul said earlier, the fix won't come for several generations, but we need to start now.  Like with climate change, we can't change climate today or tomorrow, but we can make changes that can impact 50 years from now.

“Nobody is saying ban all guns”.  Bootlegger is saying “ban all guns” for reference, lol

there are plenty of citizens saying ban all guns. no politicians, that I've seen, are saying ban all guns. I think that's what people are referring to when saying "nobody is saying ban all guns". 

Maybe so, maybe the right phrase would be “nobodies are saying ban all guns”

In all honesty, in a perfect world, guns would be illegal. the US is obviously way too far gone for that, but don't you agree it would be ideal? if criminals had automatic sentences of whatever term just for possessing one, don't you think that would drive down the need for citizens, or do you think people would still hang onto this "tyrannical government" nonsense?

In a perfect world, there would be no criminals at all and there would be no tyrannical governments and farts would smell like daisies.  It is a pointless hypothetical, though, as daisies have very little nutritional value .  Yes, we are way too far gone for that and that’s why I mock those that suggest a complete gun ban.  

Your home arsenal wouldn't do shit to stop a tyrannical government...

Fact is, most of the time they convince the masses to go along with them... its easier to manipulate your citizens then fight them... 

Iraq invasion & occupation, shock & awe, torture, black rendition sites, detentioners held for years without charge at Guantanomo, at least 1 million dead.... that was, and is, fucking horrific and evil... disgusting... maybe the most "tyrannical" thing done by any country in my lifetime... and a ton of the masses cheered and supported it while waving flags... some still think it was fine and support it.... all based on lies, propaganda, and manipulation... your guns dont mean shit buddy, it's your brain they are going after

Happy Memorial Day weekend

I believe this is what gets overlooked or lost by the hardcore defenders of the 2A (and I used to be one of them). The argument that we need guns to protect ourselves from government tyranny. The reality, though, is exactly what we're currently experiencing. We have a president who has no regard for laws, truth or principle, and the people with the guns who want to protect themselves from tyranny are the same people eating this up and throwing all of their support behind Cheetolini, sending around memes bashing the press and the media in general, normalizing abhorrent behavior, accepting lies, unravelling civil rights, etc... My2hands has it right - fascism and tyranny will happen without guns being fired. It will happen because of a cult of personality. It will happen because of fake patriotism, and hyper-nationalism.

mrussel1

Very prescient by both of you.   As an easy example,  Hitler attempted a hostile takeover of Germany with the Beerhall Putzch.  It failed,  few supported it and he spent a year in jail.  While there,  he realized he needed to do it legally,  and subsequently politically maneuvered into the chancellor position,  and only then did he begin to abolish opposition,  purge enemies,  etc. 

Smellyman

jeffbr said:

my2hands said:

Your home arsenal wouldn't do shit to stop a tyrannical government...

Fact is, most of the time they convince the masses to go along with them... its easier to manipulate your citizens then fight them... 

Iraq invasion & occupation, shock & awe, torture, black rendition sites, detentioners held for years without charge at Guantanomo, at least 1 million dead.... that was, and is, fucking horrific and evil... disgusting... maybe the most "tyrannical" thing done by any country in my lifetime... and a ton of the masses cheered and supported it while waving flags... some still think it was fine and support it.... all based on lies, propaganda, and manipulation... your guns dont mean shit buddy, it's your brain they are going after

Happy Memorial Day weekend

I believe this is what gets overlooked or lost by the hardcore defenders of the 2A (and I used to be one of them). The argument that we need guns to protect ourselves from government tyranny. The reality, though, is exactly what we're currently experiencing. We have a president who has no regard for laws, truth or principle, and the people with the guns who want to protect themselves from tyranny are the same people eating this up and throwing all of their support behind Cheetolini, sending around memes bashing the press and the media in general, normalizing abhorrent behavior, accepting lies, unravelling civil rights, etc... My2hands has it right - fascism and tyranny will happen without guns being fired. It will happen because of a cult of personality. It will happen because of fake patriotism, and hyper-nationalism.

Two Great posts

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Smellyman said:

jeffbr said:

my2hands said:

Your home arsenal wouldn't do shit to stop a tyrannical government...

Fact is, most of the time they convince the masses to go along with them... its easier to manipulate your citizens then fight them... 

Iraq invasion & occupation, shock & awe, torture, black rendition sites, detentioners held for years without charge at Guantanomo, at least 1 million dead.... that was, and is, fucking horrific and evil... disgusting... maybe the most "tyrannical" thing done by any country in my lifetime... and a ton of the masses cheered and supported it while waving flags... some still think it was fine and support it.... all based on lies, propaganda, and manipulation... your guns dont mean shit buddy, it's your brain they are going after

Happy Memorial Day weekend

I believe this is what gets overlooked or lost by the hardcore defenders of the 2A (and I used to be one of them). The argument that we need guns to protect ourselves from government tyranny. The reality, though, is exactly what we're currently experiencing. We have a president who has no regard for laws, truth or principle, and the people with the guns who want to protect themselves from tyranny are the same people eating this up and throwing all of their support behind Cheetolini, sending around memes bashing the press and the media in general, normalizing abhorrent behavior, accepting lies, unravelling civil rights, etc... My2hands has it right - fascism and tyranny will happen without guns being fired. It will happen because of a cult of personality. It will happen because of fake patriotism, and hyper-nationalism.

Two Great posts

I agree.