America's Gun Violence

mcgruff10

my2hands said:

ConorKavanagh said:

https://youtu.be/zXMzzA3TVYA

Keep cashing those checks, Marco

It's not about the right to BEAR arms, it's about the right to SELL arms

I give respect for the guy even showing up, that took some stones. I don't particularly like the guy but I thought he handled himself well and even changed his opinion on high capacity mags and raising the buying age.

cincybearcat

unsung said:

tbergs said:

Watching these politicians trip all over their dicks talking to these kids in Florida is pathetic. Rubio is really trying not to answer questions that compromise his NRA buddies.

Two weeks ago those kids had to be told not to eat Tide pods.

And you want them to have semi-auto weapons.....

rgambs

What kind of scumbag do you have to be to want to tear down kids who been through a terrible tragedy the likes of which you will never understand just because they disagree with you.?

stuckinline

Rep. Claudia Tenney didn't mince words whilespeaking with on an Albany-area radio showWednesday.

“Yeah, well, obviously there is a lot of politics in it, and it’s interesting that so many of these people that commit the mass murders end up being Democrats, but the media doesn’t talk about that either,” Tenney told talk show host Fred Dicker.

Tenney didn't offer any evidence for her statement.

During the interview, Tenney also noted that she was worried about what would happen to legal gun owners in the wake of the Florida school shooting that killed 17 people.

“What scares me most is that a lot of these legal gun owners are going to be targeted now,” Tenney said. “In their demographic, they have the least amount of crimes of virtually any other demographic.”

In a statement Wednesday night, Tenney said she is "fed up with the media and liberals attempting to politicize tragedies and demonize law-abiding gun owners and conservative Americans every time there is a horrible tragedy.

"While we know the perpetrators of these atrocities have a wide variety of political views, my comments are in response to a question about the failure to prosecute illegal gun crime," she said. "I will continue to stand up for law-abiding citizens who are smeared by anti-gun liberal elitists." 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/msn/rep-claudia-tenney-many-mass-murderers-end-up-being-democrats/ar-BBJqMM

my2hands

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

ConorKavanagh said:

https://youtu.be/zXMzzA3TVYA

Keep cashing those checks, Marco

It's not about the right to BEAR arms, it's about the right to SELL arms

I give respect for the guy even showing up, that took some stones. I don't particularly like the guy but I thought he handled himself well and even changed his opinion on high capacity mags and raising the buying age.

I'm glad he showed up as well my friend... but showing up to speak with your constituency and hear their concerns/ideas is his job, not an act of bravery

CM189191

my2hands said:

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

ConorKavanagh said:

https://youtu.be/zXMzzA3TVYA

Keep cashing those checks, Marco

It's not about the right to BEAR arms, it's about the right to SELL arms

I give respect for the guy even showing up, that took some stones. I don't particularly like the guy but I thought he handled himself well and even changed his opinion on high capacity mags and raising the buying age.

I'm glad he showed up as well my friend... but showing up to speak with your constituency and hear their concerns/ideas is his job, not an act of bravery

Also, it's one aspect of Rubio's job he's been ducking recently.

Rubio on skipping town halls: Activists will 'heckle and scream at me'

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2017/02/marco-rubio-town-halls-109889

pro-tip: when your constituents show up in person to yell and scream at you for change, it's not because they want to embarrass you on the evening news you coward. 

Bentleyspop

my2hands said:

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

ConorKavanagh said:

https://youtu.be/zXMzzA3TVYA

Keep cashing those checks, Marco

It's not about the right to BEAR arms, it's about the right to SELL arms

I give respect for the guy even showing up, that took some stones. I don't particularly like the guy but I thought he handled himself well and even changed his opinion on high capacity mags and raising the buying age.

I'm glad he showed up as well my friend... but showing up to speak with your constituency and hear their concerns/ideas is his job, not an act of bravery

Definitely  not an act of bravery

What is an act of bravery is throwing yourself in front of bullets to save your students lives

What isn't an act of bravery is mocking teenagers who have experienced a serious traumatic event.

mcgruff10

my2hands said:

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

ConorKavanagh said:

https://youtu.be/zXMzzA3TVYA

Keep cashing those checks, Marco

It's not about the right to BEAR arms, it's about the right to SELL arms

I give respect for the guy even showing up, that took some stones. I don't particularly like the guy but I thought he handled himself well and even changed his opinion on high capacity mags and raising the buying age.

I'm glad he showed up as well my friend... but showing up to speak with your constituency and hear their concerns/ideas is his job, not an act of bravery

I never said it was an act of bravery; hopefully some things change. 

letsongsprotest

It really boggles my mind how everyone isn't on the same page regarding the ban of assault weapons or whatever term that you want to use. How about we trade that right to have these in exchange for increased safety of the public and specifically children at school.  

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mattsl1983 said:

oftenreading said:

mattsl1983 said:

It’s way to hard to follow every response that debates this or that.

Can we not agree on better background checks?

Statistically can we not agree that the ban didn’t change anything.  You can’t argue statistics. 

Can you not agree that parading children out by pushing an ideology on them is wrong?

can we not agree that something needs to change?

i guess I don’t understand this idea that if you aren’t for banning guns then you don’t care.

Im all for this “common sense” reform, just what exactly is it?

No, I for one am not going to agree to your false and misleading statements. “Parading children out by pushing an ideology on them” .... you think teens can’t think for themselves and decide whether they are interested in gun control or not? You think that gun control is by definition a false ideology? And finally, you think that the republicans and even the NRA don’t “parade children” when it suits them?

And also I disagree with your characterization that the ban achieved nothing. 

You are exactly the type of person that you can’t have a conversation  about gun control with.  Just read your response and put it in context with your reply.  You create a huge huh?  What? 

And yes, I firmly believe that at the age of 14 to almost mid to late 20’s, a person is so directly influenced by ideas they think that they think work, that they haven’t realized the different between reality and ideology.  And if you want to pretend that a 17 year old has it all figured out for themselves, then you are, well I’m not going to name call but yea...

It’s east to target laws, the infamous NRA.  These are all things that you, and this is a very important word, that “you” feel like you can control.  So I just say keep fighting your fight.  But eventually you will rub out of ideas that that you think you can control and the world will probably be worse off. 

So I guess you are saying to Brian something like, "Learn how to cope with the status quo because the US is incapable of making any meaningful change effort with regards to gun control."

Station Navy Seals in schools and be prepared to gun down 'those dumb teenagers' capable of acquiring AR15s and hell bent on murdering many people, but incapable of formulating independent thoughts (I'm paraphrasing you again in your response to Reading).

You might be right. Seeing the arguments against gun control and seeing things like who you elected as your president... your country just might not have the ability or will to pull off the required changes necessary for a safer society.

It's too bad.

Hey... what state do you think your next mass shooting is going to be in? What's the over/under for fatalities?

dignin

Does the Second Amendment really protect assault weapons? Four courts have said no.

Almost exactly a year ago, a federal appeals court considered whether a Maryland law banning assault weapons was unconstitutional.

The law was passed in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook massacre, which left 20 first-graders and six adults dead after a man bearing an AR-15 style weapon stormed the Connecticut school.

“Nine terrified children ran from one of the classrooms when the gunman paused to reload, while two youngsters successfully hid in a restroom,” Judge Robert B. King of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, wrote in the majority opinion. “Another child was the other classroom’s sole survivor. In all, the gunman fired at least 155 rounds of ammunition within five minutes, shooting each of his victims multiple times.”

The court ruled that the ban on assault weapons like the one Adam Lanza used inside Sandy Hook that day — like the one that police say Nikolas Cruz confessed to using inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School and that Omar Mateen used inside Orlando’s Pulse Nightclub and Stephen Paddock used from the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas — was constitutional.

It was not the first time a federal appeals court had ruled that a ban on assault weapons was permissible under the Second Amendment. It was the fourth time in the last decade.  In fact, no federal appeals court has ever held that assault weapons are protected.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/02/22/does-the-second-amendment-really-protect-assault-weapons-four-courts-have-said-no/?hpid=hp_hp-morning-mix_mm-amendment:homepage/story&utm_term=.181c9c71034c

tbergs

Hey unsung, here's one I'm surprised you haven't been ragging on. Student is providing fake information about scripted questions from CNN.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/22/shooting_survivor_colton_haab_cnn_gave_me_scripted_question_after_denying_question_about_armed_guards.html

unsung

cincybearcat said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

Watching these politicians trip all over their dicks talking to these kids in Florida is pathetic. Rubio is really trying not to answer questions that compromise his NRA buddies.

Two weeks ago those kids had to be told not to eat Tide pods.

And you want them to have semi-auto weapons.....

No, they are under 18.  I have never stated such either, stop the lies.

unsung

tbergs said:

Hey unsung, here's one I'm surprised you haven't been ragging on. Student is providing fake information about scripted questions from CNN.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/22/shooting_survivor_colton_haab_cnn_gave_me_scripted_question_after_denying_question_about_armed_guards.html

So now we are back to not caring what the kids say?

Make up your minds.

cincybearcat

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

ConorKavanagh said:

https://youtu.be/zXMzzA3TVYA

Keep cashing those checks, Marco

It's not about the right to BEAR arms, it's about the right to SELL arms

I give respect for the guy even showing up, that took some stones. I don't particularly like the guy but I thought he handled himself well and even changed his opinion on high capacity mags and raising the buying age.

I give him a lot of credit for showing up and for changing some.  But to me it's not good enough.  Marco was a guy that I supported in the last repub primary.  I thought he could be a good president.  Actually still think he could.  

He is also 1 of the congresspeople I contacted regarding gun control.  His current position on gun control makes him ineligible for my vote for now.  I hate being a 1 issue voter, but I don;t feel anything will happen otherwise.  And it still might not.

unsung

tbergs said:

Hey unsung, here's one I'm surprised you haven't been ragging on. Student is providing fake information about scripted questions from CNN.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/22/shooting_survivor_colton_haab_cnn_gave_me_scripted_question_after_denying_question_about_armed_guards.html

https://www.local10.com/video/school-shooting-survivor-refused-to-ask-scripted-question-during-cnn-town-hall?__vfz=medium=sharebar

dignin

unsung said:

tbergs said:

Hey unsung, here's one I'm surprised you haven't been ragging on. Student is providing fake information about scripted questions from CNN.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/22/shooting_survivor_colton_haab_cnn_gave_me_scripted_question_after_denying_question_about_armed_guards.html

https://www.local10.com/video/school-shooting-survivor-refused-to-ask-scripted-question-during-cnn-town-hall?__vfz=medium=sharebar

You posted basically the same video OP posted, minus CNN's response. Are you still feeling the impact of those Tide Pods?

my2hands

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

ConorKavanagh said:

https://youtu.be/zXMzzA3TVYA

Keep cashing those checks, Marco

It's not about the right to BEAR arms, it's about the right to SELL arms

I give respect for the guy even showing up, that took some stones. I don't particularly like the guy but I thought he handled himself well and even changed his opinion on high capacity mags and raising the buying age.

I'm glad he showed up as well my friend... but showing up to speak with your constituency and hear their concerns/ideas is his job, not an act of bravery

I never said it was an act of bravery; hopefully some things change. 

Bravery, balls, it's all the same... it's his job to show up is the main point, and I agree I'm glad he did, unlike that coward of a governor down there 

Or the cowards in the state legislature down there that ducked and dodged those teenagers. I bet they will keep cashing those checks though

my2hands

unsung said:

tbergs said:

Hey unsung, here's one I'm surprised you haven't been ragging on. Student is providing fake information about scripted questions from CNN.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/22/shooting_survivor_colton_haab_cnn_gave_me_scripted_question_after_denying_question_about_armed_guards.html

So now we are back to not caring what the kids say?

Make up your minds.

You have no credibility here. Nobody gives a shit what you have to say. 

oftenreading

mattsl1983 said:

oftenreading said:

mattsl1983 said:

It’s way to hard to follow every response that debates this or that.

Can we not agree on better background checks?

Statistically can we not agree that the ban didn’t change anything.  You can’t argue statistics. 

Can you not agree that parading children out by pushing an ideology on them is wrong?

can we not agree that something needs to change?

i guess I don’t understand this idea that if you aren’t for banning guns then you don’t care.

Im all for this “common sense” reform, just what exactly is it?

No, I for one am not going to agree to your false and misleading statements. “Parading children out by pushing an ideology on them” .... you think teens can’t think for themselves and decide whether they are interested in gun control or not? You think that gun control is by definition a false ideology? And finally, you think that the republicans and even the NRA don’t “parade children” when it suits them?

And also I disagree with your characterization that the ban achieved nothing. 

You are exactly the type of person that you can’t have a conversation  about gun control with.  Just read your response and put it in context with your reply.  You create a huge huh?  What? 

And yes, I firmly believe that at the age of 14 to almost mid to late 20’s, a person is so directly influenced by ideas they think that they think work, that they haven’t realized the different between reality and ideology.  And if you want to pretend that a 17 year old has it all figured out for themselves, then you are, well I’m not going to name call but yea...

It’s east to target laws, the infamous NRA.  These are all things that you, and this is a very important word, that “you” feel like you can control.  So I just say keep fighting your fight.  But eventually you will rub out of ideas that that you think you can control and the world will probably be worse off. 

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