America's Gun Violence

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Gern Blansten said:

hahahaha

Response? I think I know: "The gun neeeeds to be in your hand. A lot of good the gun is in its holster."

The inmates are running the asylum.

PJPOWER

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

hahahaha

Response? I think I know: "The gun neeeeds to be in your hand. A lot of good the gun is in its holster."

The inmates are running the asylum.

More like “the strawmen are running the asylum”, lol

Gern Blansten

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

hahahaha

Response? I think I know: "The gun neeeeds to be in your hand. A lot of good the gun is in its holster."

The inmates are running the asylum.

That has been my argument....if you work the GOP theory forward (more guns = safety) then we all just walk around with guns drawn and pointed at whomever is your closest target.  Wild Wild West style.

Bentleyspop

The people who want more security in schools as well as train and arm teachers and school staff are the same people who want to reduce government spending and believe that teachers are overpaid.

dignin

There was armed security at the Florida school.

Gern Blansten

Bentleyspop said:

The people who want more security in schools as well as train and arm teachers and school staff are the same people who want to reduce government spending and believe that teachers are overpaid.

yep...fucking insane.  We might as well just fire all the teachers and replace them with troops

Halifax2TheMax

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

hahahaha

Response? I think I know: "The gun neeeeds to be in your hand. A lot of good the gun is in its holster."

The inmates are running the asylum.

That has been my argument....if you work the GOP theory forward (more guns = safety) then we all just walk around with guns drawn and pointed at whomever is your closest target.  Wild Wild West style.

Every new born should be issued a gun at birth.

mattsl1983

riotgrl said:

riley540 said:

There isn’t any affective solution I have heard yet. I personally don’t have a good idea to end school shootings, but I haven’t heard any ideas that would actually change anything 

Really?  I've seen both long term and short term solutions mentioned by numerous people here that don't include complete bans.  Just to clarify, in the short term, background checks, required safety courses, required courses on storing guns are things that won't work?  And in the long term, stocking our schools full of people that can help identify, intervene, and help those with anger issues so they don't execute kids while they are at school, won't work?  I guess my questions is, why won't those things work, in your opinion? 

We have background checks in place.  Most of the mass shootings the shooters passed and cleared a background check.  We can’t look into the future and say so and so is going to snap in a year.  Safety courses and required courses would be easy for anyone to take and pass.  The main issue is now it’s the individual’s responsibility to follow the laws and what they learned through their mandatory courses. Sure it could possibly help, but I really don’t see that as a viable solution.  The truth is we can’t control what someone is going to do one day to the next.  I really don’t have a solution, it’s a very complicated issue.  Something needs to be done, but it needs to be something effective.  Not a knee jerk reaction so a couple of people in congress can high five themselves and then use it as a platform for being re-elected.  

rgambs

Bentleyspop said:

The people who want more security in schools as well as train and arm teachers and school staff are the same people who want to reduce government spending and believe that teachers are overpaid.

Mostly, but I find myself on that side of the argument now.
ImI just fed up and sick of it.
I like Thirty's idea.
Active Duty troops deployed domestically to protect schools.  

Gern Blansten

Working the GOP more gun theory further forward....at some point the police will not be able to determine who is good and who is bad.

This is a slippery slope.  

We will move forward with more school shootings, etc.  At some point though there will be a "good guy" that gets killed either by another "good guy" or police.  I'm sure it's happened already but the GOP drones need real life examples before they even begin to understand a problem.

my2hands

I love how the right wing puppets and their supporters are all in lockstep that this is a school security issue 

Fucking morons 

PJPOWER

Bentleyspop said:

The people who want more security in schools as well as train and arm teachers and school staff are the same people who want to reduce government spending and believe that teachers are overpaid.

Plenty of schools in TX are taking this approach without any incident.  They are not “government” mandates, but local district decisions.  They require the teachers that VOLUNTEER to practice proficiency once a month and attend law enforcement sponsored trainings.  They do not seem to have a lack of volunteers...and they probably aren’t being payed any extra.  They are just willing to be better equipped to protect themselves and their students.  They also put up a big fucking sign in the front of the school to let people know that random people are armed and will shoot your ass if you try to do something like the dumb shit in Florida. I think the sign itself is probably the main deterrent.
 None of these schools have been shot up that I am aware of.  
Now...continue with the straw man fallacies... 

rgambs

mattsl1983 said:

riotgrl said:

riley540 said:

There isn’t any affective solution I have heard yet. I personally don’t have a good idea to end school shootings, but I haven’t heard any ideas that would actually change anything 

Really?  I've seen both long term and short term solutions mentioned by numerous people here that don't include complete bans.  Just to clarify, in the short term, background checks, required safety courses, required courses on storing guns are things that won't work?  And in the long term, stocking our schools full of people that can help identify, intervene, and help those with anger issues so they don't execute kids while they are at school, won't work?  I guess my questions is, why won't those things work, in your opinion? 

We have background checks in place.  Most of the mass shootings the shooters passed and cleared a background check.  We can’t look into the future and say so and so is going to snap in a year.  Safety courses and required courses would be easy for anyone to take and pass.  The main issue is now it’s the individual’s responsibility to follow the laws and what they learned through their mandatory courses. Sure it could possibly help, but I really don’t see that as a viable solution.  The truth is we can’t control what someone is going to do one day to the next.  I really don’t have a solution, it’s a very complicated issue.  Something needs to be done, but it needs to be something effective.  Not a knee jerk reaction so a couple of people in congress can high five themselves and then use it as a platform for being re-elected.  

The thing missing from this is the justification for people needing firearms with such high capacity for casualties and the justification for not allowing background checks to include actionable, pertinent medical information.
Nobody needs a rifle that fires 130 rounds per minute, and nobody with so many mental health issues should have access to said rifles.

brianlux

Bentleyspop said:

The people who want more security in schools as well as train and arm teachers and school staff are the same people who want to reduce government spending and believe that teachers are overpaid.

I read somewhere (was it gimme who said this?) that Republicans are against government spending except when they're not.

rgambs

unsung said:

Overmedication of psychiatric drugs?

So have you changed your position? 
Do you now support restrictions on firearm ownership without due process? 
If you think psychiatric drugs are the problem, you would surely think people on those (obviously necessary in many cases) drugs should be restricted, right?
Doubt it.

You are only trying to point the blame anywhere you can, and that's today's alt-right distraction.

PJPOWER

Gern Blansten said:

Working the GOP more gun theory further forward....at some point the police will not be able to determine who is good and who is bad.

This is a slippery slope.  

We will move forward with more school shootings, etc.  At some point though there will be a "good guy" that gets killed either by another "good guy" or police.  I'm sure it's happened already but the GOP drones need real life examples before they even begin to understand a problem.

Gern Blansten said:

Working the GOP more gun theory further forward....at some point the police will not be able to determine who is good and who is bad.

This is a slippery slope.  

We will move forward with more school shootings, etc.  At some point though there will be a "good guy" that gets killed either by another "good guy" or police.  I'm sure it's happened already but the GOP drones need real life examples before they even begin to understand a problem.

That’s why the schools that have implemented this work closely with law enforcement.  
You know, I could come up with plenty of anecdotal scenarios where this would work to meet all of yours that you keep throwing out arguing why it wouldn’t...
Hell, putting a sign up saying all teachers are armed and not actually having anyone armed would be better than nothing.  In my opinion, these people need deterrents.  There are plenty of deterrents that do not require politically unrealistic changed laws.  They would probably require a lot less funds than legislation as well...

Gern Blansten

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

Working the GOP more gun theory further forward....at some point the police will not be able to determine who is good and who is bad.

This is a slippery slope.  

We will move forward with more school shootings, etc.  At some point though there will be a "good guy" that gets killed either by another "good guy" or police.  I'm sure it's happened already but the GOP drones need real life examples before they even begin to understand a problem.

Gern Blansten said:

Working the GOP more gun theory further forward....at some point the police will not be able to determine who is good and who is bad.

This is a slippery slope.  

We will move forward with more school shootings, etc.  At some point though there will be a "good guy" that gets killed either by another "good guy" or police.  I'm sure it's happened already but the GOP drones need real life examples before they even begin to understand a problem.

That’s why the schools that have implemented this work closely with law enforcement.  
You know, I could come up with plenty of anecdotal scenarios where this would work to meet all of yours that you keep throwing out arguing why it wouldn’t...
Hell, putting a sign up saying all teachers are armed and not actually having anyone armed would be better than nothing.  In my opinion, these people need deterrents.  There are plenty of deterrents that do not require politically unrealistic changed laws.  They would probably require a lot less funds than legislation as well...

No you can't....because the scenarios I laid out are going to happen.

It's as simple as looking at why the USA has these problems and no other country does.  You can argue your way out of that.

pjhawks

personally I think you have to be a complete idiot to think the solution to mass shootings is more guns.  it really is an absurd premise.  

PJPOWER

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

Working the GOP more gun theory further forward....at some point the police will not be able to determine who is good and who is bad.

This is a slippery slope.  

We will move forward with more school shootings, etc.  At some point though there will be a "good guy" that gets killed either by another "good guy" or police.  I'm sure it's happened already but the GOP drones need real life examples before they even begin to understand a problem.

Gern Blansten said:

Working the GOP more gun theory further forward....at some point the police will not be able to determine who is good and who is bad.

This is a slippery slope.  

We will move forward with more school shootings, etc.  At some point though there will be a "good guy" that gets killed either by another "good guy" or police.  I'm sure it's happened already but the GOP drones need real life examples before they even begin to understand a problem.

That’s why the schools that have implemented this work closely with law enforcement.  
You know, I could come up with plenty of anecdotal scenarios where this would work to meet all of yours that you keep throwing out arguing why it wouldn’t...
Hell, putting a sign up saying all teachers are armed and not actually having anyone armed would be better than nothing.  In my opinion, these people need deterrents.  There are plenty of deterrents that do not require politically unrealistic changed laws.  They would probably require a lot less funds than legislation as well...

No you can't....because the scenarios I laid out are going to happen.

It's as simple as looking at why the USA has these problems and no other country does.  You can argue your way out of that.

I can, easily. Here’s one:
Someone armed to the teeth goes up to a school, walks in and starts shooting.  Teacher pops out the door and shoots back...The shooter then either offs themseves or takes rounds and is immobilized.
or
Someone goes looking for a soft target and sees a sign saying that the school is armed...changes their mind.
or
Armed VOLUNTEERS at the school meet once a month with local law enforcement to go through exercises and work together on solutions together.  A situation starts to unfold and the teachers follow protocol and training do not start shooting at each other...
See, anyone can come up with anecdotes...

Gern Blansten

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

Working the GOP more gun theory further forward....at some point the police will not be able to determine who is good and who is bad.

This is a slippery slope.  

We will move forward with more school shootings, etc.  At some point though there will be a "good guy" that gets killed either by another "good guy" or police.  I'm sure it's happened already but the GOP drones need real life examples before they even begin to understand a problem.

Gern Blansten said:

Working the GOP more gun theory further forward....at some point the police will not be able to determine who is good and who is bad.

This is a slippery slope.  

We will move forward with more school shootings, etc.  At some point though there will be a "good guy" that gets killed either by another "good guy" or police.  I'm sure it's happened already but the GOP drones need real life examples before they even begin to understand a problem.

That’s why the schools that have implemented this work closely with law enforcement.  
You know, I could come up with plenty of anecdotal scenarios where this would work to meet all of yours that you keep throwing out arguing why it wouldn’t...
Hell, putting a sign up saying all teachers are armed and not actually having anyone armed would be better than nothing.  In my opinion, these people need deterrents.  There are plenty of deterrents that do not require politically unrealistic changed laws.  They would probably require a lot less funds than legislation as well...

No you can't....because the scenarios I laid out are going to happen.

It's as simple as looking at why the USA has these problems and no other country does.  You can argue your way out of that.

I can, easily. Here’s one:
Someone armed to the teeth goes up to a school, walks in and starts shooting.  Teacher pops out the door and shoots back...The shooter then either offs themseves or takes rounds and is immobilized.
or
Someone goes looking for a soft target and sees a sign saying that the school is armed...changes their mind.
or
Armed VOLUNTEERS at the school meet once a month with local law enforcement to go through exercises and work together on solutions together.  A situation starts to unfold and the teachers follow protocol and and training do not start shooting at each other...
See, anyone can come up with anecdotes...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-teacher-left-gun-in-bathroom-elementary-kids-found-it/

Hey great idea PJPOWER!!!