The entire argument for gun reform has been made several times over in this forum... and in every other forum. The debate isn't even close.
It might seem close to some because really weak points get dressed up and trotted out there for consumption- like a Corvette with a Pinto engine. For example, there was a real eloquently written contribution up there that sounded kind of fancy... but it could have and should have been made much more concise: the government is gonna git ya.
The problem with a concise post is that 'the government is going to get you guys' sounds ridiculous.
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That isn't a celebrities personal security detail. Jesus, that's security for the event. Same type of security that was in times square on new years eve. Your argument is silly.
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Oh my guh, don’t they know that one of them could start going crazy at any second and start shooting the place up. It would be much more of a safe place if they left their guns locked up and put up a bunch of “gun free zone” signs
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Why are "weapons of war" protecting rich celebrities?
Lol
I guess they should carry rubber bands?
Is this supposed to be an indicator of an impending government takeover?
The general public has weapons of war... why the f**k wouldn't cops? People from the general public like to bring their weapons of war and indiscriminately kill people at large events... why would you not want an armed response team in preparation for them?
Here's the thing: it's only going to get worse. Your country has done nothing to address the growing epidemic... and it looks as if it will never do anything.
Oh my guh, don’t they know that one of them could start going crazy at any second and start shooting the place up. It would be much more of a safe place if they left their guns locked up and put up a bunch of “gun free zone” signs
Hey, look who figured out what a strawman is. Thanks for providing a perfect example.
'leftists are dumb'. seriously, dude, get some new reading material.
If that is all you got out of it then maybe I do know the answer.
obviously not., I read the entire thing even after that idiotic statement. But whenever I read generalized statements like that, it does well to discredit anything they have to say. Everytime I hear anyone of any political persuasion painting an entire group with one brush I have to wonder about their ability to think critically........
Oh my guh, don’t they know that one of them could start going crazy at any second and start shooting the place up. It would be much more of a safe place if they left their guns locked up and put up a bunch of “gun free zone” signs
Hey, look who figured out what a strawman is. Thanks for providing a perfect example.
Figured it was time to join the party. This does kind of contradict the “more guns don’t make a place safer” statement constantly thrown around though. Why would the presence of armed security exist at these venues if not for the safety of the individuals there. Why not just give them rubber bands and place “gun free zone” signs all around?
Why are "weapons of war" protecting rich celebrities?
Lol
I guess they should carry rubber bands?
Is this supposed to be an indicator of an impending government takeover?
The general public has weapons of war... why the f**k wouldn't cops? People from the general public like to bring their weapons of war and indiscriminately kill people at large events... why would you not want an armed response team in preparation for them?
Here's the thing: it's only going to get worse. Your country has done nothing to address the growing epidemic... and it looks as if it will never do anything.
Good luck!
This is pretty much my exact reasoning for “armed response teams” within schools. Glad we see eye to eye on this
Oh my guh, don’t they know that one of them could start going crazy at any second and start shooting the place up. It would be much more of a safe place if they left their guns locked up and put up a bunch of “gun free zone” signs
Hey, look who figured out what a strawman is. Thanks for providing a perfect example.
Figured it was time to join the party. This does kind of contradict the “more guns don’t make a place safer” statement constantly thrown around though. Why would the presence of armed security exist at these venues if not for the safety of the individuals there. Why not just give them rubber bands and place “gun free zone” signs all around?
The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence. I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom. You are basically yelling at the clouds if you think people are against the police being fully armed and present.
Oh my guh, don’t they know that one of them could start going crazy at any second and start shooting the place up. It would be much more of a safe place if they left their guns locked up and put up a bunch of “gun free zone” signs
Hey, look who figured out what a strawman is. Thanks for providing a perfect example.
Figured it was time to join the party. This does kind of contradict the “more guns don’t make a place safer” statement constantly thrown around though. Why would the presence of armed security exist at these venues if not for the safety of the individuals there. Why not just give them rubber bands and place “gun free zone” signs all around?
The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence. I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom. You are basically yelling at the clouds if you think people are against the police being fully armed and present.
You are kind of missing my point...How does the presence of armed security make a venue a safer place? Or do they? There have been plenty around the AMT arguing that “more guns is not the answer”. Why is it the answer at these venues and not at schools? (Not focusing just on armed teachers either). Do armed defense teams make a catastrophic event like in Florida more likely or less likely to unfold?
Oh my guh, don’t they know that one of them could start going crazy at any second and start shooting the place up. It would be much more of a safe place if they left their guns locked up and put up a bunch of “gun free zone” signs
Hey, look who figured out what a strawman is. Thanks for providing a perfect example.
Figured it was time to join the party. This does kind of contradict the “more guns don’t make a place safer” statement constantly thrown around though. Why would the presence of armed security exist at these venues if not for the safety of the individuals there. Why not just give them rubber bands and place “gun free zone” signs all around?
The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence. I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom. You are basically yelling at the clouds if you think people are against the police being fully armed and present.
You are kind of missing my point...How does the presence of armed security make a venue a safer place? Or do they? There have been plenty around the AMT arguing that “more guns is not the answer”. Why is it the answer at these venues and not at schools? (Not focusing just on armed teachers either). Do armed defense teams make a catastrophic event like in Florida more likely or less likely to unfold?
more guns in the hands of civilians is not the answer.
of course it makes it potentially safer for trained armed security/police at schools (NOT TEACHERS). but the question is, why can't we just fucking get rid of the AR-15's of the world and be done with it? do we want to live in a world where our kids grow up in a nurturing environment with armed guards around like it's fucking North Korea? do we not see the possible negative effects of this?
last year we went to mexico. we went to a tourist trap beach off the resort and there was armed military walking around. that fucking freaked us out. especially our kids. my youngest (8) was terrified. at THE BEACH. I wouldn't want that shit in my SCHOOLS.
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Oh my guh, don’t they know that one of them could start going crazy at any second and start shooting the place up. It would be much more of a safe place if they left their guns locked up and put up a bunch of “gun free zone” signs
Hey, look who figured out what a strawman is. Thanks for providing a perfect example.
Figured it was time to join the party. This does kind of contradict the “more guns don’t make a place safer” statement constantly thrown around though. Why would the presence of armed security exist at these venues if not for the safety of the individuals there. Why not just give them rubber bands and place “gun free zone” signs all around?
The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence. I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom. You are basically yelling at the clouds if you think people are against the police being fully armed and present.
You are kind of missing my point...How does the presence of armed security make a venue a safer place? Or do they? There have been plenty around the AMT arguing that “more guns is not the answer”. Why is it the answer at these venues and not at schools? (Not focusing just on armed teachers either). Do armed defense teams make a catastrophic event like in Florida more likely or less likely to unfold?
more guns in the hands of civilians is not the answer.
of course it makes it potentially safer for trained armed security/police at schools (NOT TEACHERS). but the question is, why can't we just fucking get rid of the AR-15's of the world and be done with it? do we want to live in a world where our kids grow up in a nurturing environment with armed guards around like it's fucking North Korea? do we not see the possible negative effects of this?
last year we went to mexico. we went to a tourist trap beach off the resort and there was armed military walking around. that fucking freaked us out. especially our kids. my youngest (8) was terrified. at THE BEACH. I wouldn't want that shit in my SCHOOLS.
How is this not easy to comprehend?
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Why are "weapons of war" protecting rich celebrities?
Lol
I guess they should carry rubber bands?
Is this supposed to be an indicator of an impending government takeover?
The general public has weapons of war... why the f**k wouldn't cops? People from the general public like to bring their weapons of war and indiscriminately kill people at large events... why would you not want an armed response team in preparation for them?
Here's the thing: it's only going to get worse. Your country has done nothing to address the growing epidemic... and it looks as if it will never do anything.
Good luck!
This is pretty much my exact reasoning for “armed response teams” within schools. Glad we see eye to eye on this
Dude. You want individual teachers to arm themselves. You're making another poor analogy. Had this picture been of Matt Damon and George Clooney strolling down the red carpet, AR15 in tow, then...yeah, that would be to your point. This is the LAPD. Most people don't have an issue with law enforcement being armed...especially at big events like these that are always at risk for a terrorist attack.
The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence. I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom.
I am not in favor of arming teachers, so I'm with you there.
Are you in favor of removing or restricting the public's access to all semi-automatic weapons? I only ask because that's a more radical view than we've been discussing so it's important to make the distinction.
Oh my guh, don’t they know that one of them could start going crazy at any second and start shooting the place up. It would be much more of a safe place if they left their guns locked up and put up a bunch of “gun free zone” signs
Hey, look who figured out what a strawman is. Thanks for providing a perfect example.
Figured it was time to join the party. This does kind of contradict the “more guns don’t make a place safer” statement constantly thrown around though. Why would the presence of armed security exist at these venues if not for the safety of the individuals there. Why not just give them rubber bands and place “gun free zone” signs all around?
The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence. I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom. You are basically yelling at the clouds if you think people are against the police being fully armed and present.
You are kind of missing my point...How does the presence of armed security make a venue a safer place? Or do they? There have been plenty around the AMT arguing that “more guns is not the answer”. Why is it the answer at these venues and not at schools? (Not focusing just on armed teachers either). Do armed defense teams make a catastrophic event like in Florida more likely or less likely to unfold?
more guns in the hands of civilians is not the answer.
of course it makes it potentially safer for trained armed security/police at schools (NOT TEACHERS). but the question is, why can't we just fucking get rid of the AR-15's of the world and be done with it? do we want to live in a world where our kids grow up in a nurturing environment with armed guards around like it's fucking North Korea? do we not see the possible negative effects of this?
last year we went to mexico. we went to a tourist trap beach off the resort and there was armed military walking around. that fucking freaked us out. especially our kids. my youngest (8) was terrified. at THE BEACH. I wouldn't want that shit in my SCHOOLS.
Once AR-15s get banned, then maybe the issue can be readdressed, but that does not seem to be happening (even just got shut down in Florida). The children would be desensitized to the presence of armed security fairly quickly and seeing them would most not likely freak them out for long (I think the “freak out” factor is being a bit exaggerated, but that’s just my opinion). Still, point is, why does armed security personnel make places safer if it is not due to the fact that a weapon can greatly help neutralize a “bad guy” with a weapon?? Personally, I still support letting schools covertly (except to law enforcement) arm and train staff. Over 170 schools around here already doing this. I know some around here hate TX, though, so I guess itdoesn’t make any difference.
Why are "weapons of war" protecting rich celebrities?
Lol
I guess they should carry rubber bands?
Is this supposed to be an indicator of an impending government takeover?
The general public has weapons of war... why the f**k wouldn't cops? People from the general public like to bring their weapons of war and indiscriminately kill people at large events... why would you not want an armed response team in preparation for them?
Here's the thing: it's only going to get worse. Your country has done nothing to address the growing epidemic... and it looks as if it will never do anything.
Good luck!
This is pretty much my exact reasoning for “armed response teams” within schools. Glad we see eye to eye on this
Dude. You want individual teachers to arm themselves. You're making another poor analogy. Had this picture been of Matt Damon and George Clooney strolling down the red carpet, AR15 in tow, then...yeah, that would be to your point. This is the LAPD. Most people don't have an issue with law enforcement being armed...especially at big events like these that are always at risk for a terrorist attack.
What is it that makes armed individuals decrease the risk of terrorist attacks? To my point would be more similar to Clooney and Damon being the students that are needing protection... Do you support police carrying off duty or just when they have their uniforms on?
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Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
Oh my guh, don’t they know that one of them could start going crazy at any second and start shooting the place up. It would be much more of a safe place if they left their guns locked up and put up a bunch of “gun free zone” signs
Hey, look who figured out what a strawman is. Thanks for providing a perfect example.
Figured it was time to join the party. This does kind of contradict the “more guns don’t make a place safer” statement constantly thrown around though. Why would the presence of armed security exist at these venues if not for the safety of the individuals there. Why not just give them rubber bands and place “gun free zone” signs all around?
The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence. I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom. You are basically yelling at the clouds if you think people are against the police being fully armed and present.
You are kind of missing my point...How does the presence of armed security make a venue a safer place? Or do they? There have been plenty around the AMT arguing that “more guns is not the answer”. Why is it the answer at these venues and not at schools? (Not focusing just on armed teachers either). Do armed defense teams make a catastrophic event like in Florida more likely or less likely to unfold?
more guns in the hands of civilians is not the answer.
of course it makes it potentially safer for trained armed security/police at schools (NOT TEACHERS). but the question is, why can't we just fucking get rid of the AR-15's of the world and be done with it? do we want to live in a world where our kids grow up in a nurturing environment with armed guards around like it's fucking North Korea? do we not see the possible negative effects of this?
last year we went to mexico. we went to a tourist trap beach off the resort and there was armed military walking around. that fucking freaked us out. especially our kids. my youngest (8) was terrified. at THE BEACH. I wouldn't want that shit in my SCHOOLS.
Once AR-15s get banned, then maybe the issue can be readdressed, but that does not seem to be happening (even just got shut down in Florida). The children would be desensitized to the presence of armed security fairly quickly and seeing them would most not likely freak them out for long (I think the “freak out” factor is being a bit exaggerated, but that’s just my opinion). Still, point is, why does armed security personnel make places safer if it is not due to the fact that a weapon can greatly help neutralize a “bad guy” with a weapon?? Personally, I still support letting schools covertly (except to law enforcement) arm and train staff. Over 170 schools around here already doing this. I know some around here hate TX, though, so I guess itdoesn’t make any difference.
Ah, yes. We must desensitize children to guns and authoritarianism at an early age. That's the ticket! A vibrant future you depict here....
Oh my guh, don’t they know that one of them could start going crazy at any second and start shooting the place up. It would be much more of a safe place if they left their guns locked up and put up a bunch of “gun free zone” signs
Hey, look who figured out what a strawman is. Thanks for providing a perfect example.
Figured it was time to join the party. This does kind of contradict the “more guns don’t make a place safer” statement constantly thrown around though. Why would the presence of armed security exist at these venues if not for the safety of the individuals there. Why not just give them rubber bands and place “gun free zone” signs all around?
The strawman is that "liberals" have an issue with police (aka people with real professional training) having weapons and an increased presence. I can speak for myself only, but it seems to be in line with most, that I have an issue with semi automatic weapons in the hands of John Q. Public and arming teachers in a classroom. You are basically yelling at the clouds if you think people are against the police being fully armed and present.
You are kind of missing my point...How does the presence of armed security make a venue a safer place? Or do they? There have been plenty around the AMT arguing that “more guns is not the answer”. Why is it the answer at these venues and not at schools? (Not focusing just on armed teachers either). Do armed defense teams make a catastrophic event like in Florida more likely or less likely to unfold?
more guns in the hands of civilians is not the answer.
of course it makes it potentially safer for trained armed security/police at schools (NOT TEACHERS). but the question is, why can't we just fucking get rid of the AR-15's of the world and be done with it? do we want to live in a world where our kids grow up in a nurturing environment with armed guards around like it's fucking North Korea? do we not see the possible negative effects of this?
last year we went to mexico. we went to a tourist trap beach off the resort and there was armed military walking around. that fucking freaked us out. especially our kids. my youngest (8) was terrified. at THE BEACH. I wouldn't want that shit in my SCHOOLS.
Once AR-15s get banned, then maybe the issue can be readdressed, but that does not seem to be happening (even just got shut down in Florida). The children would be desensitized to the presence of armed security fairly quickly and seeing them would most not likely freak them out for long (I think the “freak out” factor is being a bit exaggerated, but that’s just my opinion). Still, point is, why does armed security personnel make places safer if it is not due to the fact that a weapon can greatly help neutralize a “bad guy” with a weapon?? Personally, I still support letting schools covertly (except to law enforcement) arm and train staff. Over 170 schools around here already doing this. I know some around here hate TX, though, so I guess itdoesn’t make any difference.
Ah, yes. We must desensitize children to guns and authoritarianism at an early age. That's the ticket! A vibrant future you depict here....
The fuck...
Well, if we’re cool with desensitizing them to blood/gore/porn/etc...Besides, they are already desensitized to guns because 90% of their favorite TV shows and video games have accomplished that goal...From a psychological perspective, regular exposure to those sorts of things in any form or fashion creates a level of desensitization or, at certain ages, can actually result in abnormalities seen in soldiers with PTSD (nightmares, etc). And most schools are already pretty authoritarian if you sit down and think about it.
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It might seem close to some because really weak points get dressed up and trotted out there for consumption- like a Corvette with a Pinto engine. For example, there was a real eloquently written contribution up there that sounded kind of fancy... but it could have and should have been made much more concise: the government is gonna git ya.
The problem with a concise post is that 'the government is going to get you guys' sounds ridiculous.
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we will find a way, we will find our place
I guess they should carry rubber bands?
Is this supposed to be an indicator of an impending government takeover?
The general public has weapons of war... why the f**k wouldn't cops? People from the general public like to bring their weapons of war and indiscriminately kill people at large events... why would you not want an armed response team in preparation for them?
Here's the thing: it's only going to get worse. Your country has done nothing to address the growing epidemic... and it looks as if it will never do anything.
Good luck!
www.headstonesband.com
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Do armed defense teams make a catastrophic event like in Florida more likely or less likely to unfold?
of course it makes it potentially safer for trained armed security/police at schools (NOT TEACHERS). but the question is, why can't we just fucking get rid of the AR-15's of the world and be done with it? do we want to live in a world where our kids grow up in a nurturing environment with armed guards around like it's fucking North Korea? do we not see the possible negative effects of this?
last year we went to mexico. we went to a tourist trap beach off the resort and there was armed military walking around. that fucking freaked us out. especially our kids. my youngest (8) was terrified. at THE BEACH. I wouldn't want that shit in my SCHOOLS.
www.headstonesband.com
Are you in favor of removing or restricting the public's access to all semi-automatic weapons? I only ask because that's a more radical view than we've been discussing so it's important to make the distinction.
Do you support police carrying off duty or just when they have their uniforms on?
The fuck...
And most schools are already pretty authoritarian if you sit down and think about it.
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