America's Gun Violence

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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    unsung said:

    If we are going to rule out people from owning guns based on their intelligence (I am for, although I can't take away their right to defend themselves), then we'd better do the same for voting. I'm for that too.

    I'm not trying to start an argument but that position seems to contradict the entire constitution

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  • unsung
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    Funny, that never stopped gun grabbers before.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    unsung said:

    Funny, that never stopped gun grabbers before.

    funny that you relate gun control with gun grabbers.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,149
    Gern Blansten said:

    unsung said:

    If we are going to rule out people from owning guns based on their intelligence (I am for, although I can't take away their right to defend themselves), then we'd better do the same for voting. I'm for that too.

    I'm not trying to start an argument but that position seems to contradict the entire constitution

    The Constitution only applies to certain people. Jeesh, didn't you know that?

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  • unsung
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    Right, it doesn't apply to legal gun owners.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,149
    unsung said:

    Right, it doesn't apply to legal gun owners.

    Ha, ha, you're on a roll today.

    Peace.

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  • fife
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    unsung said:

    Right, it doesn't apply to legal gun owners.

    that right, i must have missed how gun owners are losing their rights. can you not still gets guns? is the governemtn in your house right now stealing your guns?
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    The gun grab has begun and the FEMA camps have opened and are being occupied. Black helicopters are circling and men in black are descending ropes. The post office purchased millions of rounds of ammunition, local law enforcement has purchased armored vehicles and an executive order banning Congress has been issued................................................................................

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,297
    edited June 2014
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    The gun grab has begun and the FEMA camps have opened and are being occupied. Black helicopters are circling and men in black are descending ropes. The post office purchased millions of rounds of ammunition, local law enforcement has purchased armored vehicles and an executive order banning Congress has been issued................................................................................

    Peace.

    Ironically I did have some black helicoptors circling around my house a few weekends ago ... and a police department a few counties over from me (in deep farm country, pop 13,000) bought one of these ...


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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Jason P, what did you ever do to run afoul of President Obama? Breathe?
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    quick question: Should people convicted of a crime be allowed to buy a gun?

    I was thinking about that when i read about guns being used for protection.
  • Jason P
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Jason P, what did you ever do to run afoul of President Obama? Breathe?
    Peace.

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  • unsung
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Jason P, what did you ever do to run afoul of President Obama? Breathe?
    Peace.


    See that's the funny part, it's not just him, it's ALL of them.

    Seriously before saying that the pending legislation isn't out there, do some research.
  • unsung
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    fife said:

    quick question: Should people convicted of a crime be allowed to buy a gun?

    I was thinking about that when i read about guns being used for protection.

    If they served their time, yes.

  • callen
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    We have our realities and sometimes it's best to just avoid differing opinions. More comforting.

    Why I admire all those on the train, we're much the same on attitude. As long as
    unsung said:

    fife said:

    quick question: Should people convicted of a crime be allowed to buy a gun?

    I was thinking about that when i read about guns being used for protection.

    If they served their time, yes.

    Any crime? Robbery? Murder? Violent felonies?
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  • Cosmo
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    Jason P said:

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    unsung said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Jason P, what did you ever do to run afoul of President Obama? Breathe?
    Peace.


    See that's the funny part, it's not just him, it's ALL of them.

    Seriously before saying that the pending legislation isn't out there, do some research.
    Boo!

    All of who?

    Seriously, please enumerate which Constitutional rights you've lost and what "pending" legislation you're so ever so fearful of. You do own a gun, correct?

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  • mickeyrat
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    edited June 2014
    unsung said:

    fife said:

    quick question: Should people convicted of a crime be allowed to buy a gun?

    I was thinking about that when i read about guns being used for protection.

    If they served their time, yes.

    I can think of a widow and her fatherless newborn who might disagree with you. Particularly one who so carelessly handled a weapon that under current law he was not legally able to have.

    to quote the article posted earlier

    "A musician, teacher and new father is dead after a stray bullet pierced the wall of his Florida home on Tuesday and struck him in the back of the head. The Panama City News Herald reported that 33-year-old Justin Ayers and his wife were welcoming their 3-day-old baby home from the hospital with relatives when Justin was killed.

    The bullet came from the house next door, where 62-year-old Charles Edward Shisler picked up a .9 mm pistol by the trigger, causing it to discharge. When sheriff’s deputies arrived, they found Shisler standing on his porch, although he initially was “belligerent” and uncooperative.

    “The damn gun doesn’t usually shoot,” said Shisler, according to his arrest report. “You have to squeeze the hell out of the trigger to shoot it.”

    A blood test taken more than four hours after the shooting found that Shisler had a blood alcohol level of .079. The legal limit for driving in Florida is .08.

    Shisler told deputies he had tried to pick up the gun by its trigger. After the gunshot, he said, he hastily tried to hide the weapon under his mattress.

    Deputies arrested Shisler and charged him with manslaughter and for being a convicted felon in possession of a handgun. He had a previous felony weapons conviction from 2006, according to the Herald News.

    Ayers was a guitar teacher at D&H Music in Panama City and toured throughout the panhandle with his band the Ayers. As of Wednesday, the medical examiner announced that an autopsy will be conducted on Ayers’ body to determine the cause of the death and that forensic examiners are treating the two houses as a crime scene."


    from a website detailing Florida law


    Purchase and Possession:
    No state permit is required to possess or purchase a rifle, shotgun or handgun.

    It is unlawful for:

    !!!!!!!! any convicted felon to have in his or her possession any firearm or to carry a concealed weapon unless his civil rights have been restored.!!!!!!!!!!!

    ???????? The following persons to own, possess or use any firearm - drug addicts, alcoholics, mental incompetents, and vagrants.?????????

    For persons to have in their care, custody, possession, or control any firearm or ammunition if the person has been issued a final injunction that is currently in force and effect, restraining that person from committing acts of domestic violence.

    To sell, give, barter, lend or transfer a firearm or other weapon other than an ordinary pocketknife to a minor less than the age of 18 without his parent’s permission, or to any person of unsound mind.

    Any dealer to sell or transfer any firearm, pistol, Springfield rifle or other repeating rifle to a minor.

    A minor less than 18 years of age to possess a firearm, other than an unloaded firearm at his home, unless engaged in lawful activities.

    No licensed gun dealer, manufacturer or importer shall sell or deliver any firearm to another person until he has obtained a completed form from the potential buyer or transferee and received approval from the Department of Law Enforcement by means of a toll-free telephone call.

    The Department of Law Enforcement shall destroy records of approval and non-approval within 48 hours after its response.

    Exempt from the instant check are licensed dealers, manufacturers, importers, collectors, persons with a concealed carrying license, law enforcement, correctional and correctional probation officers.

    Excluding weekends and legal holidays, there is a three-day waiting period to purchase a handgun from a retail establishment. Exempt from the waiting period are concealed weapons permit holders and those trading in another handgun.


    so the question to be answered is , was this guys civil rights restored after his previous felony conviction related to guns ?


    For curiosity sake , how does the state determine alcoholic or drug addict? whats the criteria? Or vagrant for that matter?
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    Okay. i guess there are a lot more rational, logical 6 to 13 year old girls out there than I thought there were.

  • brianlux
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    A.U.G.T.?
    American's ugly gun toter?
    Ammo user's government treaty?
    Automatic uber gun trooper?

    Or did you mean the Latvian word, "augt"?

    You lost me, G.F.

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