America's Gun Violence

muskydan

Bentleyspop said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

Of course none of what goes on in Chicago can be blamed in anyway on the inept, incompetent, and historically corrupt police force.

Just blame the "certain element" for eveything

Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha...... And a few more. Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha... That made my day.

I am about to spend a bunch of time in your state for the first time in 20 years since I lived in Gunny......I sure hope I run into some cats like you to get my jollies. Hope the fly fishing is what it used to be.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

So when a cop kills someone it's an accident?

Unless the someone is of a "certain element"...

Then it's called a profile murder regardless of circumstances?

Then it's called a justified shooting regardless of circumstances.

Not from where I sit. There have been many of both variety as I have processed them.

Have you seen both varieties?

Of course, and I have the rational capacity to accept that departments almost invariably rule minority shootings as justified. Do you have the rational capacity to accept that in many of those cases, the shootings ruled as justified were not justified at all?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

So when a cop kills someone it's an accident?

Unless the someone is of a "certain element"...

Then it's called a profile murder regardless of circumstances?

Then it's called a justified shooting regardless of circumstances.

Not from where I sit. There have been many of both variety as I have processed them.

Have you seen both varieties?

Of course, and I have the rational capacity to accept that departments almost invariably rule minority shootings as justified. Do you have the rational capacity to accept that in many of those cases, the shootings ruled as justified were not justified at all?

I'm trying to think of one high profile case discusses on this forum where you defended the officer's decision to resort to using his weapon.

Can you point me in that direction?

muskydan

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

So when a cop kills someone it's an accident?

Well in this case YES. Accident / negligence , pretty much the same. The Intent wasn't to injure or kill someone in this training exercise. Unfortunately shit happens.... Like Obummer becoming President and The Hildabeast continuing this total pussification of America. Which btw were both brought to you by the city of Shitcago...The tax payers of Chicago apologize for that.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

So when a cop kills someone it's an accident?

Unless the someone is of a "certain element"...

Then it's called a profile murder regardless of circumstances?

Then it's called a justified shooting regardless of circumstances.

Not from where I sit. There have been many of both variety as I have processed them.

Have you seen both varieties?

Of course, and I have the rational capacity to accept that departments almost invariably rule minority shootings as justified. Do you have the rational capacity to accept that in many of those cases, the shootings ruled as justified were not justified at all?

I'm trying to think of one high profile case discusses on this forum where you defended the officer's decision to resort to using his weapon.

Can you point me in that direction?

Michael Brown is the only one I can recall, but given the controversial nature of the cases we discuss on here, I don't see that as much of an issue.

rgambs

John Crawford II- wasn't even facing the officers, just talking on his phone...justified of course!

oftenreading

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

So when a cop kills someone it's an accident?

Well in this case YES. Accident / negligence , pretty much the same. The Intent wasn't to injure or kill someone in this training exercise. Unfortunately shit happens.... Like Obummer becoming President and The Hildabeast continuing this total pussification of America. Which btw were both brought to you by the city of Shitcago...The tax payers of Chicago apologize for that.

Legally, "accident" and "negligence" are quite different. I would think an officer of the law would know that, as well as be a little less cavalier when a citizen volunteering for a training exercise is killed. Shit happened here because a police officer was negligent in the handling and use of his firearm.

muskydan

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

So when a cop kills someone it's an accident?

Well in this case YES. Accident / negligence , pretty much the same. The Intent wasn't to injure or kill someone in this training exercise. Unfortunately shit happens.... Like Obummer becoming President and The Hildabeast continuing this total pussification of America. Which btw were both brought to you by the city of Shitcago...The tax payers of Chicago apologize for that.

Legally, "accident" and "negligence" are quite different. I would think an officer of the law would know that, as well as be a little less cavalier when a citizen volunteering for a training exercise is killed. Shit happened here because a police officer was negligent in the handling and use of his firearm.

Well I guess we see it differently, no shock there counsel

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

So when a cop kills someone it's an accident?

Unless the someone is of a "certain element"...

Then it's called a profile murder regardless of circumstances?

Then it's called a justified shooting regardless of circumstances.

Not from where I sit. There have been many of both variety as I have processed them.

Have you seen both varieties?

Of course, and I have the rational capacity to accept that departments almost invariably rule minority shootings as justified. Do you have the rational capacity to accept that in many of those cases, the shootings ruled as justified were not justified at all?

I'm trying to think of one high profile case discusses on this forum where you defended the officer's decision to resort to using his weapon.

Can you point me in that direction?

Michael Brown is the only one I can recall, but given the controversial nature of the cases we discuss on here, I don't see that as much of an issue.

I'm just saying that it's hard for people such as myself to think of yourself as objective when you continually champion the 'victim'.

I'm not disagreeing there is a problem... I'm just saying that every case we are presented with is not a by product of the problem.

Degeneratefk

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

So when a cop kills someone it's an accident?

Well in this case YES. Accident / negligence , pretty much the same. The Intent wasn't to injure or kill someone in this training exercise. Unfortunately shit happens.... Like Obummer becoming President and The Hildabeast continuing this total pussification of America. Which btw were both brought to you by the city of Shitcago...The tax payers of Chicago apologize for that.

Accident and negligent can't be used together in court.

muskydan

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

So when a cop kills someone it's an accident?

Well in this case YES. Accident / negligence , pretty much the same. The Intent wasn't to injure or kill someone in this training exercise. Unfortunately shit happens.... Like Obummer becoming President and The Hildabeast continuing this total pussification of America. Which btw were both brought to you by the city of Shitcago...The tax payers of Chicago apologize for that.

Accident and negligent can't be used together in court.

So you think a criminal act has taken place here???

Degeneratefk

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

So when a cop kills someone it's an accident?

Well in this case YES. Accident / negligence , pretty much the same. The Intent wasn't to injure or kill someone in this training exercise. Unfortunately shit happens.... Like Obummer becoming President and The Hildabeast continuing this total pussification of America. Which btw were both brought to you by the city of Shitcago...The tax payers of Chicago apologize for that.

Accident and negligent can't be used together in court.

So you think a criminal act has taken place here???

Depends. Negligence can be a crime.

oftenreading

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

So when a cop kills someone it's an accident?

Well in this case YES. Accident / negligence , pretty much the same. The Intent wasn't to injure or kill someone in this training exercise. Unfortunately shit happens.... Like Obummer becoming President and The Hildabeast continuing this total pussification of America. Which btw were both brought to you by the city of Shitcago...The tax payers of Chicago apologize for that.

Legally, "accident" and "negligence" are quite different. I would think an officer of the law would know that, as well as be a little less cavalier when a citizen volunteering for a training exercise is killed. Shit happened here because a police officer was negligent in the handling and use of his firearm.

Well I guess we see it differently, no shock there counsel

You think accident and negligence are the same?

Ooops. Well, not much point in proceeding with this discussion then.

muskydan

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

So when a cop kills someone it's an accident?

Well in this case YES. Accident / negligence , pretty much the same. The Intent wasn't to injure or kill someone in this training exercise. Unfortunately shit happens.... Like Obummer becoming President and The Hildabeast continuing this total pussification of America. Which btw were both brought to you by the city of Shitcago...The tax payers of Chicago apologize for that.

Legally, "accident" and "negligence" are quite different. I would think an officer of the law would know that, as well as be a little less cavalier when a citizen volunteering for a training exercise is killed. Shit happened here because a police officer was negligent in the handling and use of his firearm.

Well I guess we see it differently, no shock there counsel

You think accident and negligence are the same?

Ooops. Well, not much point in proceeding with this discussion then.

I guess not ahe....

Godfather.

A Minneapolis gun buyback program targeting weapons used in street crimes may be shooting blanks, as detractors said a Saturday collection mostly took in antiquated, unused or homemade arms from legal owners and did little to thin the firearm supply actually available to dangerous criminals.

Two Minneapolis locations collected about 150 firearms Saturday, but both exchanges were forced to shut down several hours early when officials ran out of Visa gift cards – $25,000 worth, The Minneapolis Star Tribune reported.

And at least some of that money helped finance the purchase of even more guns.

One anonymous gun owner told WCCO he received $200 in gift cards that he planned to use to buy a new firearm. That man said he didn’t think the program was serving its intended purpose.

“I just don’t feel that a criminal is going to come up to a fire department with a bunch of police around it and turn in a gun,” he said.

Paul Joat, an area gun collector, told The Star Tribune he bought two weapons on the street, ostensibly offering the sellers a better deal than the city could.

“A lot of what I’m seeing is gun nuts turning in their guns for more than they’re worth,” he said.

A commenter on the Minnesota Gun Talk message board noted that “every single person in line was one of us.”

The lure of a Visa gift card worth between $15 and $300 was enough to make some enterprising Minnesotans get creative.

One person constructed a “shotgun” out of a piece of wood, some tape and a pipe. They were given a $100 gift card for the contraption, according to a Facebook post from the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus.

Guns gathered during the Saturday buyback were set to be decommissioned and used in an art piece.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/08/29/minnesota-gun-buyback-program-dud-some-legal-owners-say.html

like I keep saying, taking guns from responsible people is just stupid and so is adding more gun control laws

Godfather.

unsung

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

So when a cop kills someone it's an accident?

Well in this case YES. Accident / negligence , pretty much the same. The Intent wasn't to injure or kill someone in this training exercise. Unfortunately shit happens.... Like Obummer becoming President and The Hildabeast continuing this total pussification of America. Which btw were both brought to you by the city of Shitcago...The tax payers of Chicago apologize for that.

Accident and negligent can't be used together in court.

So you think a criminal act has taken place here???

Depends. Negligence can be a crime.

Unless your last name is Clinton.

rssesq

unsung said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

oftenreading said:

muskydan said:

DAMMM GUNS!!! When are they ever going to learn to behave themselves????

Musky, are you referring to the link posted immediately above your comment? Because I'm hoping that you, as a police officer, would agree that it was gross negligence to not have checked and double checked that there was no live ammunition in the gun before the role play began. How is that even defensible? Mickey is absolutely correct - this in no way can be described as an "accident". It was 100% preventable with basic gun safety practices.

I was not defending the ACCIDENT that was described above.
I was referring to the 9 killed in Shitcago on a Monday. I have said this numerous times on here, there is a major behavioral problem with a certain element of our society...well Chicago for sure...

So when a cop kills someone it's an accident?

Well in this case YES. Accident / negligence , pretty much the same. The Intent wasn't to injure or kill someone in this training exercise. Unfortunately shit happens.... Like Obummer becoming President and The Hildabeast continuing this total pussification of America. Which btw were both brought to you by the city of Shitcago...The tax payers of Chicago apologize for that.

Accident and negligent can't be used together in court.

So you think a criminal act has taken place here???

Depends. Negligence can be a crime.

Unless your last name is Clinton.

Teflon hillbilly's

pjhawks

Godfather. said:

A Minneapolis gun buyback program targeting weapons used in street crimes may be shooting blanks, as detractors said a Saturday collection mostly took in antiquated, unused or homemade arms from legal owners and did little to thin the firearm supply actually available to dangerous criminals.

Two Minneapolis locations collected about 150 firearms Saturday, but both exchanges were forced to shut down several hours early when officials ran out of Visa gift cards – $25,000 worth, The Minneapolis Star Tribune reported.

And at least some of that money helped finance the purchase of even more guns.

One anonymous gun owner told WCCO he received $200 in gift cards that he planned to use to buy a new firearm. That man said he didn’t think the program was serving its intended purpose.

“I just don’t feel that a criminal is going to come up to a fire department with a bunch of police around it and turn in a gun,” he said.

Paul Joat, an area gun collector, told The Star Tribune he bought two weapons on the street, ostensibly offering the sellers a better deal than the city could.

“A lot of what I’m seeing is gun nuts turning in their guns for more than they’re worth,” he said.

A commenter on the Minnesota Gun Talk message board noted that “every single person in line was one of us.”

The lure of a Visa gift card worth between $15 and $300 was enough to make some enterprising Minnesotans get creative.

One person constructed a “shotgun” out of a piece of wood, some tape and a pipe. They were given a $100 gift card for the contraption, according to a Facebook post from the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus.

Guns gathered during the Saturday buyback were set to be decommissioned and used in an art piece.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/08/29/minnesota-gun-buyback-program-dud-some-legal-owners-say.html

like I keep saying, taking guns from responsible people is just stupid and so is adding more gun control laws

Godfather.

was the guy who constructed a gun out of wood and tape 'responsible' too?

and just because you and others keep saying people want to take your guns away no one is advocating that. no one is coming into your homes to take them away. just false rhertoric.

unsung

It's not false at all.

PJ_Soul

unsung said:

It's not false at all.

How is it not false if it's never been proposed and no one is advocating for such a thing, particularly not those who have any kind of impact on the matter?