Deadliest School Massacre in US History...........

elvistheking44

was in 1927.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Have we gotten more violent, or do we just hear more about it through media? I always here about how fucked up we are becoming and how violent people have gotten. This was almost 100 years ago. So......are we more violent now?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

There is no question the media sensationalizes these events and compounds the problem by inspiring other losers.

elvistheking44

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

There is no question the media sensationalizes these events and compounds the problem by inspiring other losers.

And yet this guy killed almost 40 kids by blowing up a school, so obviously the "losers" were here all along, correct? Its not just our generation.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I'm in agreement with you. We may have become a little more sophisticated, but we have always had losers and always will have losers.

josevolution

I believe as a Society here in America we have gotten way more violent ...

rgambs

josevolution said:

I believe as a Society here in America we have gotten way more violent ...

i think that is wrong...i think our violence is public domain now rather than private...but more violent? No way. prior to the 60s there were millions of women who's husbands were physically abusive, and it wasnt a story you would see on the news...it was just a way of life. Let's not forget lynch mobs and racial violence, which also tapered off in the 60s and were also unreported and accepted as a way of life.

callen

rgambs said:

josevolution said:

I believe as a Society here in America we have gotten way more violent ...

i think that is wrong...i think our violence is public domain now rather than private...but more violent? No way. prior to the 60s there were millions of women who's husbands were physically abusive, and it wasnt a story you would see on the news...it was just a way of life. Let's not forget lynch mobs and racial violence, which also tapered off in the 60s and were also unreported and accepted as a way of life.

Tend to agree We are animals with inherent violence. Would hope that we could evolve but hasn't yet been the case.

rgambs

callen said:

rgambs said:

josevolution said:

I believe as a Society here in America we have gotten way more violent ...

i think that is wrong...i think our violence is public domain now rather than private...but more violent? No way. prior to the 60s there were millions of women who's husbands were physically abusive, and it wasnt a story you would see on the news...it was just a way of life. Let's not forget lynch mobs and racial violence, which also tapered off in the 60s and were also unreported and accepted as a way of life.

Tend to agree We are animals with inherent violence. Would hope that we could evolve but hasn't yet been the case.

i agree back at you...some people on here hate the "inherent violence" claim but they live in a fantasy world...we are apes and we have violence in our nature, just like the other apes. If we werent inherently violent wouldnt we have eliminated it by now after 10,000 years of moral teaching???

josevolution

rgambs said:

josevolution said:

I believe as a Society here in America we have gotten way more violent ...

WE
i think that is wrong...i think our violence is public domain now rather than private...but more violent? No way. prior to the 60s there were millions of women who's husbands were physically abusive, and it wasnt a story you would see on the news...it was just a way of life. Let's not forget lynch mobs and racial violence, which also tapered off in the 60s and were also unreported and accepted as a way of life.

Well i'm talking about our entertainment values how we glorify , war , fighting , mma , women boxing , kids in general are more violent towards eachother in other words our thirst for violent entertainment has def increased ....How about Movies that's all you see is war movies super hero movies .....Take a look at upcoming attractions ...

unsung

I believe many people, more than in the past, lack a good strong moral backbone.

gimmesometruth27

callen said:

rgambs said:

josevolution said:

I believe as a Society here in America we have gotten way more violent ...

i think that is wrong...i think our violence is public domain now rather than private...but more violent? No way. prior to the 60s there were millions of women who's husbands were physically abusive, and it wasnt a story you would see on the news...it was just a way of life. Let's not forget lynch mobs and racial violence, which also tapered off in the 60s and were also unreported and accepted as a way of life.

Tend to agree We are animals with inherent violence. Would hope that we could evolve but hasn't yet been the case.

primates do not arbitrarily and indiscriminately murder other primates. humans are the only primates who routinely do that.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

gimmesometruth27 said:

callen said:

rgambs said:

josevolution said:

I believe as a Society here in America we have gotten way more violent ...

i think that is wrong...i think our violence is public domain now rather than private...but more violent? No way. prior to the 60s there were millions of women who's husbands were physically abusive, and it wasnt a story you would see on the news...it was just a way of life. Let's not forget lynch mobs and racial violence, which also tapered off in the 60s and were also unreported and accepted as a way of life.

Tend to agree We are animals with inherent violence. Would hope that we could evolve but hasn't yet been the case.

primates do not arbitrarily and indiscriminately murder other primates. humans are the only primates who routinely do that.

This isn't true. Chimpanzees are very territorial and rival groups fighting over resources is a way of life.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

I believe many people, more than in the past, lack a good strong moral backbone.

I'm not sure about this.

We used to publically torture people, burn accused witches and lynch black people.

We've evolved, but we still have a long way to go whether we can realistically ever get there or not.

gimmesometruth27

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

callen said:

rgambs said:

josevolution said:

I believe as a Society here in America we have gotten way more violent ...

i think that is wrong...i think our violence is public domain now rather than private...but more violent? No way. prior to the 60s there were millions of women who's husbands were physically abusive, and it wasnt a story you would see on the news...it was just a way of life. Let's not forget lynch mobs and racial violence, which also tapered off in the 60s and were also unreported and accepted as a way of life.

Tend to agree We are animals with inherent violence. Would hope that we could evolve but hasn't yet been the case.

primates do not arbitrarily and indiscriminately murder other primates. humans are the only primates who routinely do that.

This isn't true. Chimpanzees are very territorial and rival groups fighting over resources is a way of life.

being territorial and killing a "rival group" is not the same thing as one primate walking into a building with one or many weapons and wasting a bunch of primates who are of no threat to him. other primates do not do things like that to make a statement. that is exclusive to the human being.

2-feign-reluctance

Ready to move to Australia. I can't turm on the news anymore.

Byrnzie

rgambs said:

i agree back at you...some people on here hate the "inherent violence" claim but they live in a fantasy world...we are apes and we have violence in our nature, just like the other apes. If we werent inherently violent wouldnt we have eliminated it by now after 10,000 years of moral teaching???

You think apes are inherently violent? Who told you that? I suggest you do some research on the nature of apes.

In the meantime, how do you explain the fact that the U.S is one of the most violent countries in the World? Why are Canada or Sweden, for example, nowhere near as violent?

brianlux

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

There is no question the media sensationalizes these events and compounds the problem by inspiring other losers.

True but that begs the question- do we not do the same here on AMT- at least the sensationalizing of morbid events? If I were infinitely bored I would go through every thread posted on AMT and calculate the number of sensationalist thread post ed here... including some posted by Yours Truly- but I don't think that would be necessary.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

gimmesometruth27 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

callen said:

rgambs said:

josevolution said:

I believe as a Society here in America we have gotten way more violent ...

i think that is wrong...i think our violence is public domain now rather than private...but more violent? No way. prior to the 60s there were millions of women who's husbands were physically abusive, and it wasnt a story you would see on the news...it was just a way of life. Let's not forget lynch mobs and racial violence, which also tapered off in the 60s and were also unreported and accepted as a way of life.

Tend to agree We are animals with inherent violence. Would hope that we could evolve but hasn't yet been the case.

primates do not arbitrarily and indiscriminately murder other primates. humans are the only primates who routinely do that.

This isn't true. Chimpanzees are very territorial and rival groups fighting over resources is a way of life.

being territorial and killing a "rival group" is not the same thing as one primate walking into a building with one or many weapons and wasting a bunch of primates who are of no threat to him. other primates do not do things like that to make a statement. that is exclusive to the human being.

Regardless of motivation, if we focus strictly on the violence and less on motivation, chimpanzees are more prone to violent behaviours than humans:

Can chimpanzee skirmishes tell people anything about their own violent tendencies? One lesson, which may surprise cynics, is that humans are more peaceful than chimps. The rate of killing Dr Mitani reports is between one-and-a-half and five times that seen in human agricultural societies—and between five and 17 times higher than attrition due to warfare among hunter-gatherers, who could have less need to defend territory than farmers.

Although it is generally accepted that chimps fight rival groups for territory and resources, not all of their behaviour is explained easily. Chimpanzees will mutilate chimps they have killed and in skirmishes (it's been suggested to 'make a statement') , chimpanzee mothers were often beaten as the raiders snatched and killed their offspring. Though these assaults on mothers were rarely lethal, patrolling chimps were clearly more likely to batter females than recruit them as mates, suggesting that other motives might drive their violent behaviour.

http://www.economist.com/node/16422404

I'm not trying to make an excuse for the two apes this thread is dedicated to and I'm not trying to give them credit in any way- they deserve their deaths. I'm just saying that most species of apes- including human beings- are prone to violent behaviour. Human beings are a little more sophisticated than other apes, therefore our motivation might be more difficult to explain at times. It just seems overly simplistic to claim that these two losers went on a murder/suicide mission to send a message.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

brianlux said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

There is no question the media sensationalizes these events and compounds the problem by inspiring other losers.

True but that begs the question- do we not do the same here on AMT- at least the sensationalizing of morbid events? If I were infinitely bored I would go through every thread posted on AMT and calculate the number of sensationalist thread post ed here... including some posted by Yours Truly- but I don't think that would be necessary.

To some degree, yes.

I can't explain the need I feel to pour myself into some subject that is distasteful. If one could accurately explain why we might have the need to dissect things such as the Boston bombing or the Ariel Castro case... one will have made significant progress towards explaining human nature.

rgambs

Byrnzie said:

rgambs said:

i agree back at you...some people on here hate the "inherent violence" claim but they live in a fantasy world...we are apes and we have violence in our nature, just like the other apes. If we werent inherently violent wouldnt we have eliminated it by now after 10,000 years of moral teaching???

You think apes are inherently violent? Who told you that? I suggest you do some research on the nature of apes.

In the meantime, how do you explain the fact that the U.S is one of the most violent countries in the World? Why are Canada or Sweden, for example, nowhere near as violent?

i was wondering how to respond that primate violence is common knowledge and doesnt need researched, but thirty bills was able to dish up the research i cant do on my phone...i was simply going to point to infanticide and ask what external motivation drives it if it isnt inherent?? to answer your question mr byrnzie, america is worse because we are worse at everything..gluttony, lust, greed, violence..we are a hedonistic culture so we go to the extremes of behavior that isnt abnormal.

brianlux

rgambs said:

Byrnzie said:

rgambs said:

i agree back at you...some people on here hate the "inherent violence" claim but they live in a fantasy world...we are apes and we have violence in our nature, just like the other apes. If we werent inherently violent wouldnt we have eliminated it by now after 10,000 years of moral teaching???

You think apes are inherently violent? Who told you that? I suggest you do some research on the nature of apes.

In the meantime, how do you explain the fact that the U.S is one of the most violent countries in the World? Why are Canada or Sweden, for example, nowhere near as violent?

i was wondering how to respond that primate violence is common knowledge and doesnt need researched, but thirty bills was able to dish up the research i cant do on my phone...i was simply going to point to infanticide and ask what external motivation drives it if it isnt inherent?? to answer your question mr byrnzie, america is worse because we are worse at everything..gluttony, lust, greed, violence..we are a hedonistic culture so we go to the extremes of behavior that isnt abnormal.

I don't think it's just primate behavior. In the back of my mind I kept thinking about an experiment I learned about years ago in a college course that demonstrated how overcrowding leads to violence. A few simple Google attempts found it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink

The ethologist John B. Calhoun coined the term "behavioral sink" to describe the collapse in behavior which resulted from overcrowding. Over a number of years, Calhoun conducted over-population experiments on rats[1] which culminated in 1962 with the publication of an article in the Scientific American of a study of behavior under conditions of overcrowding.[2] In it, Calhoun coined the term "behavioral sink". Calhoun's work became used as an animal model of societal collapse, and his study has become a touchstone of urban sociology and psychology in general.

Lewis Mumford also referenced Calhoun's work in his The City in History,[10] stating that
“ No small part of this ugly barbarization has been due to sheer physical congestion: a diagnosis now partly confirmed with scientific experiments with rats – for when they are placed in equally congested quarters, they exhibit the same symptoms of stress, alienation, hostility, sexual perversion, parental incompetence, and rabid violence that we now find in the Megalopolis