Stop using this platform to push your cause, Callen. We get it... you think people that go rape, torture, and murder children deserve better than a death sentence. But it's a stretch to suggest that we are eroding society by executing such types.
Especially considering that 2013 saw 39 executions in the USA. Capital punishment is hardly an overwhelming force or causal factor motivating these two misguided youths to go stab a peer trying to please the 'slender man'.
Argument aside... it would be much more accurate at this point to say this is a case of two immature and slightly stupid kids void of love, void of good parenting, void of social acceptance and left to their own devices which led them to formulate and execute a really bad plan... instead of suggesting the Death Penalty or Obama made them do it.
Missed my point. Society condones violence. We have violence everywhere. Our kids are barraged by it. Agree parenting a big influence but no denying we love us some violence. Not defending just pointing out side effects.
Oh BTW Think killers are scum and when I hear of kids getting killed by some sick fk like to dip them in sugar and hang upside down on fire ants but realize not healthy and wrong.
I got your point and it is a fair one.
However, when you offered your examples to validate your point, the first one you listed was the DP. I sought to point out to you that 39 executions in one year is hardly an epidemic nor a causal factor behind these two girls thinking they were doing something supernatural.
Your other examples were fair- although I'm not quite ready to suggest the MMA leads to deranging minds.
Every human being has strong and innate violent tendencies. This is why effective parenting is required. Kids will not develop into compassionate people capable of empathy on their own. Left unloved and to their own devices, the potential is there to develop into what we have read about here. Strong parenting and education has kids reconcile the violence in the world and the decent way to behave.
So Thirty, are you saying humans are inherently violent? Are we indeed a culture of Lord of the Flies? And if that is so, are we being unnatural when we call for things like peace and cooperation?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
i'm sure stuff like this happened 40 years ago, technology just wasn't what it is today so people didn't hear about it. we take it for granted that if we have a question about something we can look it up in a few seconds rather than going to a library. in my opinion, nothing has really changed, we just have the opportunity to hear about shit like this courtesy of technology.
and i'm not sure what guns have to do with this girl getting stabbed.
no your wrong shit like this didn't happen 40yrs ago young 12 yr old girls didn't go around stabbing younger girls for kicks that shit didnt happen the way it happens these days , go ahead look it up google it see what you come up remember 40yrs ago not two yrs ago ....
fucked up story for sure. stabbing someone is pretty violent, and to do it 19 times...gotta be some serious mental issues with these girls for sure. or at least the one girl. by the story seems like the one had some control over the other girl.
Stop using this platform to push your cause, Callen. We get it... you think people that go rape, torture, and murder children deserve better than a death sentence. But it's a stretch to suggest that we are eroding society by executing such types.
Especially considering that 2013 saw 39 executions in the USA. Capital punishment is hardly an overwhelming force or causal factor motivating these two misguided youths to go stab a peer trying to please the 'slender man'.
Argument aside... it would be much more accurate at this point to say this is a case of two immature and slightly stupid kids void of love, void of good parenting, void of social acceptance and left to their own devices which led them to formulate and execute a really bad plan... instead of suggesting the Death Penalty or Obama made them do it.
Missed my point. Society condones violence. We have violence everywhere. Our kids are barraged by it. Agree parenting a big influence but no denying we love us some violence. Not defending just pointing out side effects.
Oh BTW Think killers are scum and when I hear of kids getting killed by some sick fk like to dip them in sugar and hang upside down on fire ants but realize not healthy and wrong.
I got your point and it is a fair one.
However, when you offered your examples to validate your point, the first one you listed was the DP. I sought to point out to you that 39 executions in one year is hardly an epidemic nor a causal factor behind these two girls thinking they were doing something supernatural.
Your other examples were fair- although I'm not quite ready to suggest the MMA leads to deranging minds.
Every human being has strong and innate violent tendencies. This is why effective parenting is required. Kids will not develop into compassionate people capable of empathy on their own. Left unloved and to their own devices, the potential is there to develop into what we have read about here. Strong parenting and education has kids reconcile the violence in the world and the decent way to behave.
So Thirty, are you saying humans are inherently violent? Are we indeed a culture of Lord of the Flies? And if that is so, are we being unnatural when we call for things like peace and cooperation?
I'm saying we are evolving, but we still have a ways to go.
Yes... we are inherently violent. We aren't quite as violent as the Roman Coliseum days, but we are not completely removed from that mentality either: look at the rubber-necking when we go by an accident scene or the packed pubs and bars for big ticket UFC events or some of the depressing news we read day in and day out. These typical situations serve as reminders for our inherent propensity for violence.
I believe that you can view human beings on a spectrum. meaning on one end, you have a person who is the kindest, gentlest, most caring considerate generous person you have ever met. on the other end is gonna be the complete opposite of that. and then there is everyone in between. some degree of good or bad regardless of how they are raised. I bet too that if the world set up another roman coliseum exactly like it was back in the day, it would be sold out in seconds. for the same reason that people drive super slow by a wreck. they wanna see some blood and guts.
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
Thinking about films like Gladiator, Caligula and Spartacus and can say, thankfully, we have become a bit less violent. And, gosh, it only took how many hundreds of years? :-(
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
But what about non-historical yet beloved violent films? Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill, Natural Born Killers (actually, one of my favorites). Long list of them.
Thinking about films like Gladiator, Caligula and Spartacus and can say, thankfully, we have become a bit less violent. And, gosh, it only took how many hundreds of years? :-(
I agree and disagree, there are people dying and suffering in different methods now. Shocking Asia have you seen it ? It gets worse what goes on. And in muslim countries women are beaten and gang raped. Some are kidnapped and held hostage and raped repeatedly, sometimes its in the family. People stab one another now.There are serial murders who taunt their victims who dont get caught. Theres bullying, and also animal cruelty. And then theres bull fighting, it still exists. So it is more discreet now and aside from that there is the poor starving and there are sex slaves and I could go on. I dont see much difference really.
But what about non-historical yet beloved violent films? Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill, Natural Born Killers (actually, one of my favorites). Long list of them.
True, but what at least no one gets buried up to their neck with a big chopping thing running amok. Those Romans were a massively brutal bunch. But I guess what I'm trying to say is that the progress we have made away from violence is really rather small considering the hundreds of years we've had to become a bit more civilized. But I still am (perhaps naively enough) convinced we can change that.
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“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Thinking about films like Gladiator, Caligula and Spartacus and can say, thankfully, we have become a bit less violent. And, gosh, it only took how many hundreds of years? :-(
I agree and disagree, there are people dying and suffering in different methods now. Shocking Asia have you seen it ? It gets worse what goes on. And in muslim countries women are beaten and gang raped. Some are kidnapped and held hostage and raped repeatedly, sometimes its in the family. People stab one another now.There are serial murders who taunt their victims who dont get caught. Theres bullying, and also animal cruelty. And then theres bull fighting, it still exists. So it is more discreet now and aside from that there is the poor starving and there are sex slaves and I could go on. I dont see much difference really.
My idealism and naivete is revealed once again.
:-S
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I can't wait to hear or read what prescribed drugs these kids were on. But alas, they'll probably keep that quiet as three quarters of the population have been duped into thinking they need drugs like that.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I can't wait to hear or read what prescribed drugs these kids were on. But alas, they'll probably keep that quiet as three quarters of the population have been duped into thinking they need drugs like that.
And on a lighter note. Pearl Jam can one up their trilogy and now add Slender Man to the mix.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
And on a lighter note. Pearl Jam can one up their trilogy and now add Slender Man to the mix.
Now that was unexpected but made me laugh - thanks!
I wonder about the potential prescription side as well...and it's a sign of the times, I guess, that I wouldn't be surprised if it played some part, despite their young age (and certainly combined with other factors).
shit like this didn't happen 40yrs ago our society has gone down the drain at least here in AMERICA MOTHER FUCKING EVIL KIDS ..
That is simply not true Jose. Crazy shit like this did happen 40 years ago - it was a crazy kind of story back then when such things happened, and it's a crazy story now when it happens. I still can't figure out why you think fucked up isolated incidents like this didn't happen prior to 1970. Just go online and Google it. You can find weird stories like this going all the way back through history. Not that that makes this particular story any less ghoulish and shocking. I'm just saying that it's an indication that these two girls are fucked up, obviously gravitated towards each other because they are messed up, and their parents seem to have dropped the ball as well. But it's not a change. History is loaded with kids and adults alike doing absolutely crazy shit. And every time through history people are horrified and think about how things are getting worse and worse.... some things never change! The only thing that I can think of that really has changed is that boys and girls are on more equal footing now. That is a good thing! Just not when they go psycho, just like it's bad when boys go psycho. Frankly, the fact that these little monsters are girls is something that somehow makes the act more shocking surprises me. Aren't we past making such distinctions between little boys and girls? Males and females are equally capable of being nuts. Not sure why people are more surprised when a girl goes batshit.
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Totally agree its all about the Parenting ...
Yes... we are inherently violent. We aren't quite as violent as the Roman Coliseum days, but we are not completely removed from that mentality either: look at the rubber-necking when we go by an accident scene or the packed pubs and bars for big ticket UFC events or some of the depressing news we read day in and day out. These typical situations serve as reminders for our inherent propensity for violence.
I bet too that if the world set up another roman coliseum exactly like it was back in the day, it would be sold out in seconds. for the same reason that people drive super slow by a wreck. they wanna see some blood and guts.
My question still stands, though
Shocking Asia have you seen it ? It gets worse what goes on. And in muslim countries women are beaten and gang raped. Some are kidnapped and held hostage and raped repeatedly, sometimes its in the family. People stab one another now.There are serial murders who taunt their victims who dont get caught.
Theres bullying, and also animal cruelty.
And then theres bull fighting, it still exists.
So it is more discreet now and aside from that there is the poor starving and there are sex slaves and I could go on.
I dont see much difference really.
:-S
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
And on a lighter note. Pearl Jam can one up their trilogy and now add Slender Man to the mix.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I wonder about the potential prescription side as well...and it's a sign of the times, I guess, that I wouldn't be surprised if it played some part, despite their young age (and certainly combined with other factors).
The only thing that I can think of that really has changed is that boys and girls are on more equal footing now. That is a good thing! Just not when they go psycho, just like it's bad when boys go psycho. Frankly, the fact that these little monsters are girls is something that somehow makes the act more shocking surprises me. Aren't we past making such distinctions between little boys and girls? Males and females are equally capable of being nuts. Not sure why people are more surprised when a girl goes batshit.
most violence comes from a base "lower" self
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14