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Yet another example of how violence has permeated the American psyche through media. "Friends"? Sad.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/03/justice/wisconsin-girl-stabbed/?hpt=hp_t1

2-year-old Wisconsin girl stabbed 19 times; friends arrested

They thought they had something to prove to someone they found on a ghoulish website, police say. So, two girls allegedly lured a third girl into a wooded area in Waukesha, Wisconsin, over the weekend and stabbed her 19 times, according to authorities.

The suspects allegedly left the victim to crawl to her own rescue. The three girls, all 12 years old, were friends, according to a criminal complaint.

A bicyclist found the wounded girl alive Saturday, lying on a sidewalk in Waukesha, Police Chief Russell Jack said. She was in stable condition at a hospital Monday.

The girls were trying to impress a certain "Slenderman," the complaint read. One of the girls encountered the name on a website known as Creepypasta Wiki.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    edited June 2014
    shit like this didn't happen 40yrs ago our society has gone down the drain at least here in AMERICA MOTHER FUCKING EVIL KIDS ..
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Capital punishment

    MMA

    Rampant killing and violence in media

    Proliferation of guns with social acceptance.

    Kids are simply a byproduct of their environment.
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  • goingtoveronagoingtoverona Posts: 616
    i'm sure stuff like this happened 40 years ago, technology just wasn't what it is today so people didn't hear about it. we take it for granted that if we have a question about something we can look it up in a few seconds rather than going to a library. in my opinion, nothing has really changed, we just have the opportunity to hear about shit like this courtesy of technology.

    and i'm not sure what guns have to do with this girl getting stabbed.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I just can't understand how delusional these girls were. I had my fair share of fuckups at that age but knew right from wrong.

    Nineteen fucking times. My god.

    Also not sure how righteously fingers can be pointed (just) at media.

    No parents in the picture? No guidelines for simple decency?

    This version of what happened gives me the chills:
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/fantasy-slender-man-meme-inspires-horrific-wisconsin-stabbing-n121311
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    goingtoverona said:

    i'm sure stuff like this happened 40 years ago, technology just wasn't what it is today so people didn't hear about it. we take it for granted that if we have a question about something we can look it up in a few seconds rather than going to a library. in my opinion, nothing has really changed, we just have the opportunity to hear about shit like this courtesy of technology.

    and i'm not sure what guns have to do with this girl getting stabbed.

    We 're a violent culture. Guns are a part of it.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    goingtoverona said:

    i'm sure stuff like this happened 40 years ago, technology just wasn't what it is today so people didn't hear about it. we take it for granted that if we have a question about something we can look it up in a few seconds rather than going to a library. in my opinion, nothing has really changed, we just have the opportunity to hear about shit like this courtesy of technology.

    and i'm not sure what guns have to do with this girl getting stabbed.

    no your wrong shit like this didn't happen 40yrs ago young 12 yr old girls didn't go around stabbing younger girls for kicks that shit didnt happen the way it happens these days , go ahead look it up google it see what you come up remember 40yrs ago not two yrs ago ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Nature is violent.

    It's not limited to America nor just to human beings.

    Now...needlessly violent? Another story.

    And if guns are a part of that violence, so are knives, fists, ballbearings, and on.

    I hope this thread doesn't sidetrack into yet another discussion about guns (we've got enough!) but maybe one of how some young souls have been raised - or not - to become this fucked up.
  • goingtoveronagoingtoverona Posts: 616
    I haven't looked yet, but just in case I can't find anything doesn't mean it didn't exist. all across America, in your smallest towns, people have the internet. online newspapers or whatever, it goes worldwide in seconds. I just don't think there is any way possible that every crime ever committed, has been uploaded to the internet. my point is, you're talking about a period in time where crimes weren't posted nationwide, it was just for the people in the area. so unless somebody went through all the old newspapers, the old court proceedings, old radio broadcasts of each individual town and uploaded it to the internet, how can we possibly know that shit like this didn't happen?

    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • goingtoveronagoingtoverona Posts: 616
    edited June 2014
    http://www.nytimes.com/1983/10/11/science/children-who-kill-personality-patterns-are-identified.html

    here's a cool article from the early 80's. gonna try and dig up some older stuff for ya too.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    hedonist said:

    Nature is violent.

    It's not limited to America nor just to human beings.

    Now...needlessly violent? Another story.

    And if guns are a part of that violence, so are knives, fists, ballbearings, and on.

    I hope this thread doesn't sidetrack into yet another discussion about guns (we've got enough!) but maybe one of how some young souls have been raised - or not - to become this fucked up.

    Not blaming guns or media specifically it's the combination of all along with of course parenting. Hard to find a "blockbuster" movie with witty dialog, most are filled with non-stop violence. We are so desensitized to violence. We are all products of our environment and compare ours to other western countries. Shoot em up baby. It's a factor.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    goingtoverona said:

    I haven't looked yet, but just in case I can't find anything doesn't mean it didn't exist. all across America, in your smallest towns, people have the internet. online newspapers or whatever, it goes worldwide in seconds. I just don't think there is any way possible that every crime ever committed, has been uploaded to the internet. my point is, you're talking about a period in time where crimes weren't posted nationwide, it was just for the people in the area. so unless somebody went through all the old newspapers, the old court proceedings, old radio broadcasts of each individual town and uploaded it to the internet, how can we possibly know that shit like this didn't happen?

    nope i'm saying kids have progressed to get more evil as yrs go by like some one said they are a by product of our violent society , we glorify war , weapons , killing , fighting ... Why is there no Video games glorifying Peace we as a society have gotten worse that can't be denied ....
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    our cities are the safest they've been in 50 years. fact. look it up
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  • goingtoveronagoingtoverona Posts: 616
    http://listverse.com/2007/11/23/top-10-evil-children/

    here's some more, although some mentioned were in the 90's and 2000's.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • goingtoveronagoingtoverona Posts: 616
    why are there no games glorifying peace? probably because they wouldn't sell and would be boring as hell.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    goingtoverona said:

    http://listverse.com/2007/11/23/top-10-evil-children/

    here's some more, although some mentioned were in the 90's and 2000's.

    again i said 40yrs ago i'm 53 and believe me shit like this was not a recurring theme in our news cycles back then and you're correct Peace is boring it wouldnt sell well here in this Violence Loving Nation of ours ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    josevolution said:

    goingtoverona said:

    http://listverse.com/2007/11/23/top-10-evil-children/

    here's some more, although some mentioned were in the 90's and 2000's.

    again i said 40yrs ago i'm 53 and believe me shit like this was not a recurring theme in our news cycles back then and you're correct Peace is boring it wouldnt sell well here in this Violence Loving Nation of ours ....
    But god forbid same sex marriage . HA. Now that's a cause worth fighting against. Silly humans.
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  • primussucksprimussucks Posts: 2,360
    callen said:

    josevolution said:

    goingtoverona said:

    http://listverse.com/2007/11/23/top-10-evil-children/

    here's some more, although some mentioned were in the 90's and 2000's.

    again i said 40yrs ago i'm 53 and believe me shit like this was not a recurring theme in our news cycles back then and you're correct Peace is boring it wouldnt sell well here in this Violence Loving Nation of ours ....
    But god forbid same sex marriage . HA. Now that's a cause worth fighting against. Silly humans.
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    :D:D
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  • goingtoveronagoingtoverona Posts: 616
    @jose, yeah I know man, you didn't see stuff like this in your news because your news covered a small fraction of the news covered today. any place in the world that is online, can put out news in seconds. your old school news no doubt covered your local news more than anything else. and there are plenty examples just in those two links of 80's and 70's child killers.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    callen said:

    Capital punishment

    MMA

    Rampant killing and violence in media

    Proliferation of guns with social acceptance.

    Kids are simply a byproduct of their environment.


    She was stabbed with a gun?

  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    josevolution said:

    goingtoverona said:

    i'm sure stuff like this happened 40 years ago, technology just wasn't what it is today so people didn't hear about it. we take it for granted that if we have a question about something we can look it up in a few seconds rather than going to a library. in my opinion, nothing has really changed, we just have the opportunity to hear about shit like this courtesy of technology.

    and i'm not sure what guns have to do with this girl getting stabbed.

    no your wrong shit like this didn't happen 40yrs ago young 12 yr old girls didn't go around stabbing younger girls for kicks that shit didnt happen the way it happens these days , go ahead look it up google it see what you come up remember 40yrs ago not two yrs ago ....

    It is the lacking of moral fibers.

  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    callen said:

    Capital punishment

    MMA

    Rampant killing and violence in media

    Proliferation of guns with social acceptance.

    Kids are simply a byproduct of their environment.

    Stop using this platform to push your cause, Callen. We get it... you think people that go rape, torture, and murder children deserve better than a death sentence. But it's a stretch to suggest that we are eroding society by executing such types.

    Especially considering that 2013 saw 39 executions in the USA. Capital punishment is hardly an overwhelming force or causal factor motivating these two misguided youths to go stab a peer trying to please the 'slender man'.

    Argument aside... it would be much more accurate at this point to say this is a case of two immature and slightly stupid kids void of love, void of good parenting, void of social acceptance and left to their own devices which led them to formulate and execute a really bad plan... instead of suggesting the Death Penalty or Obama made them do it.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Plus, stop blaming the gun for all of society's woes.
  • robertstackarmyrobertstackarmy Posts: 681
    This happened in my neck of the woods and is all over the news. I need to get away from it, too depressing.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,049
    I agree with Hedonist on two points: Let's not turn this into YET another gun thread and yes, absolutely parents should be part of the picture in terms of things like this happening. Thank you for pointing that out, H!
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    unsung said:

    callen said:

    Capital punishment

    MMA

    Rampant killing and violence in media

    Proliferation of guns with social acceptance.

    Kids are simply a byproduct of their environment.


    She was stabbed with a gun?

    It's part of the culture. My point. V
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    Capital punishment

    MMA

    Rampant killing and violence in media

    Proliferation of guns with social acceptance.

    Kids are simply a byproduct of their environment.

    Stop using this platform to push your cause, Callen. We get it... you think people that go rape, torture, and murder children deserve better than a death sentence. But it's a stretch to suggest that we are eroding society by executing such types.

    Especially considering that 2013 saw 39 executions in the USA. Capital punishment is hardly an overwhelming force or causal factor motivating these two misguided youths to go stab a peer trying to please the 'slender man'.

    Argument aside... it would be much more accurate at this point to say this is a case of two immature and slightly stupid kids void of love, void of good parenting, void of social acceptance and left to their own devices which led them to formulate and execute a really bad plan... instead of suggesting the Death Penalty or Obama made them do it.
    Missed my point. Society condones violence. We have violence everywhere. Our kids are barraged by it. Agree parenting a big influence but no denying we love us some violence. Not defending just pointing out side effects.

    Oh BTW Think killers are scum and when I hear of kids getting killed by some sick fk like to dip them in sugar and hang upside down on fire ants but realize not healthy and wrong.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    unsung said:

    josevolution said:

    goingtoverona said:

    i'm sure stuff like this happened 40 years ago, technology just wasn't what it is today so people didn't hear about it. we take it for granted that if we have a question about something we can look it up in a few seconds rather than going to a library. in my opinion, nothing has really changed, we just have the opportunity to hear about shit like this courtesy of technology.

    and i'm not sure what guns have to do with this girl getting stabbed.

    no your wrong shit like this didn't happen 40yrs ago young 12 yr old girls didn't go around stabbing younger girls for kicks that shit didnt happen the way it happens these days , go ahead look it up google it see what you come up remember 40yrs ago not two yrs ago ....

    It is the lacking of moral fibers.

    Right and morals come from society.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Not when society is corrupt.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    callen said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    Capital punishment

    MMA

    Rampant killing and violence in media

    Proliferation of guns with social acceptance.

    Kids are simply a byproduct of their environment.

    Stop using this platform to push your cause, Callen. We get it... you think people that go rape, torture, and murder children deserve better than a death sentence. But it's a stretch to suggest that we are eroding society by executing such types.

    Especially considering that 2013 saw 39 executions in the USA. Capital punishment is hardly an overwhelming force or causal factor motivating these two misguided youths to go stab a peer trying to please the 'slender man'.

    Argument aside... it would be much more accurate at this point to say this is a case of two immature and slightly stupid kids void of love, void of good parenting, void of social acceptance and left to their own devices which led them to formulate and execute a really bad plan... instead of suggesting the Death Penalty or Obama made them do it.
    Missed my point. Society condones violence. We have violence everywhere. Our kids are barraged by it. Agree parenting a big influence but no denying we love us some violence. Not defending just pointing out side effects.

    Oh BTW Think killers are scum and when I hear of kids getting killed by some sick fk like to dip them in sugar and hang upside down on fire ants but realize not healthy and wrong.
    I got your point and it is a fair one.

    However, when you offered your examples to validate your point, the first one you listed was the DP. I sought to point out to you that 39 executions in one year is hardly an epidemic nor a causal factor behind these two girls thinking they were doing something supernatural.

    Your other examples were fair- although I'm not quite ready to suggest the MMA leads to deranging minds.

    Every human being has strong and innate violent tendencies. This is why effective parenting is required. Kids will not develop into compassionate people capable of empathy on their own. Left unloved and to their own devices, the potential is there to develop into what we have read about here. Strong parenting and education has kids reconcile the violence in the world and the decent way to behave.
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