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Lottery: Does it need a home show priorty?

JB56195JB56195 Posts: 303
So I got to thinking that I may not get to see the show in Moline despite having grown up in the Quad Cities (my Dad still lives there) due to the high ticket demand. Wondering if people thought the lottery needs to have some geographic preference metric. It seems depressing to have locals who have never experienced a show there to displaced by everyone in Chicago.

I currently live in KC so it wouldn't benefit me in any way, but I bet a lot of people are going to be bummed.

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    given2fly23given2fly23 Evanston, IL Posts: 5,883
    No, because the next problem will be that they will define hometown as 100 miles and there will be endless people on here who live 101 miles away.
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    JB56195JB56195 Posts: 303
    edited May 2014

    No, because the next problem will be that they will define hometown as 100 miles and there will be endless people on here who live 101 miles away.

    That made me chuckle....Ok let me change it to a population density/distance metric. If they have show in Wyoming, the circle will be much bigger than Boston.

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    PJStatTrackerPJStatTracker Posts: 2,400
    That is a logistical nightmare that would be impossible to really pull off. No matter what they would have to draw somewhat arbitrary lines, you're talking about a huge amount of work for marginal benefit.

    How would they determine where you live? I can go change my 10C address to anything I want right now. Billing address wouldn't really work because people don't always use their own cards.
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,253
    I think most people would vote against it. Pearl Jam tours have become very small. It means there's a whole lot more places they don't play than they do play. For some people the closest show to them 500 (or more) miles away.

    I don't really think it's fair for fans who are forced to travel to not be have access to 10c tickets.

    10c probably wouldn't do it because they would lose out on a lot of subscription fees from people that live in places that PJ never tours.

    The problem is that PJ doesn't do enough shows and people have to travel great distance to see them. Petition the band to play tours of reasonable size, not to prevent other 10c member from seeing the band :)
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    chaslilchaslil Westminster CO Posts: 306
    No need to draw boundaries, members would designate their hometown in their profile.

    I share the OP's concern. After traveling a fair amount to see PJ, I might get shut oit in my hometown Denver. That's not right.
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    Foriginal SinForiginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,752
    I disagree with the OP. I've been to every show I've wanted to go, about 14 without 10 Club help. Tickets are out there, just like any event.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,913
    Plain and simple no. I live in New Jersey, where's my hometown show? Is it philly? Brooklyn? Manhattan ? None of the above? What about people from Delaware?
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    know1know1 Posts: 6,763
    Absolutely not. They haven't played closer than 3.5 hours away from me in 8 years. They've only played once in what I'd consider my home town in their entire careers.
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    BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,292
    It would be a decent idea ONLY if a venue has 2 scheduled shows and the hometown priority is done for 1 show.
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    CopperTomCopperTom Posts: 2,990
    chaslil said:

    After traveling a fair amount to see PJ, I might get shut oit in my hometown Denver. That's not right.

    People not getting hometown 10C tickets has happened with every single method of 10C ticket sale methodology. Don't blame the lottery.
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    Edved007Edved007 Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,021
    CopperTom said:

    chaslil said:

    After traveling a fair amount to see PJ, I might get shut oit in my hometown Denver. That's not right.

    People not getting hometown 10C tickets has happened with every single method of 10C ticket sale methodology. Don't blame the lottery.
    This is only true in the last 15 years or so. Back in like 95 for example you just mailed a money order to them with your information, what show you wanted, and a SASE and a few weeks later you got the tickets in the mail. done deal. I understand it's not 1995 anymore, but those were the good ol' days. I think now with the power of the technogoy and the shrinking tours this is about the best way it can be done…. doesn't mean I like it because I don't, but there is no perfect system so trying to think one up is really a waste of time. I've lived in or around Milwaukee my entire 35 year life and there is a very real chance I won't get 10C tickets for it because there is no Chicago show this time around so they are all going to come to Milwaukee and Moline.
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    shepshep Houston Posts: 5,648
    chaslil said:

    No need to draw boundaries, members would designate their hometown in their profile.

    I share the OP's concern. After traveling a fair amount to see PJ, I might get shut oit in my hometown Denver. That's not right.

    Explain to me how "That's not right". Use your logic.

    Why does living in a particular city equate to being given preferential treatment for tickets?

    This conversation seems to crop up everytime PJ tours and locals observe that the tickets in their city are in high demand...

    The fact is that PJ has a large touring fanbase because they have been playing very few dates/year the last 8 years or so... people are going to travel to see them, it's the culture the band themselves has created by their touring patterns.

    Putting in a clause like you state above makes no sense with the culture they've created. You want to piss off a lot of your own fanbase?

    Further to this... people always find a loophole...

    11+ years an counting without a show in the 4th largest city in the country, where I live... and you're telling me that now you deserve priority to a show in your town because I've got to spend my $ to get to your town, buy food, accommodations, etc, etc, and you're more entitled because you can sleep in your own bed?

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    PJStatTrackerPJStatTracker Posts: 2,400
    chaslil said:

    No need to draw boundaries, members would designate their hometown in their profile.

    And change it when there is a show they want to go to...

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    BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,292

    chaslil said:

    No need to draw boundaries, members would designate their hometown in their profile.

    And change it when there is a show they want to go to...


    Then the hometown that is in your profile when shows are announced cannot be changed. Simple. Much like how you have to be a member the day before the tour is announced.
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    RiverrunnerRiverrunner Posts: 2,419
    I live in a small town in the Midwest. The closest they ever play is 150 miles away (St. Louis or Nashville- not since 2003), of which both are in a different state than where I live. What would be my home town?
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    pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,213
    no, that is what the #1 priority is for. scoring tickets can never be 100% guaranteed by the club no matter what system you use because of limitations on the number of tickets they receive.

    having to choose a home town/city would still really only increase the chances of those in the non-traditional PJ cities of scoring tickets to their hometown shows. it wouldn't help the northeast cities at all because demand would still outweigh supply
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    BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,292

    I live in a small town in the Midwest. The closest they ever play is 150 miles away (St. Louis or Nashville- not since 2003), of which both are in a different state than where I live. What would be my home town?

    Obviously they'd need a way to designate it. Maybe they can use google maps to designate everyone's hometown based on closest big city on the tour itinerary.
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    RedMosquito02RedMosquito02 Posts: 2,560
    BinFrog said:

    I live in a small town in the Midwest. The closest they ever play is 150 miles away (St. Louis or Nashville- not since 2003), of which both are in a different state than where I live. What would be my home town?

    Obviously they'd need a way to designate it. Maybe they can use google maps to designate everyone's hometown based on closest big city on the tour itinerary.
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    know1know1 Posts: 6,763
    The home town idea has absolutely no merit whatsoever. It would be wrong on so many levels that it would never be considered for more than just a few seconds. I actually can't believe there is still discussion on this.
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    BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,292
    know1 said:

    The home town idea has absolutely no merit whatsoever. It would be wrong on so many levels that it would never be considered for more than just a few seconds. I actually can't believe there is still discussion on this.

    Thankfully you have the ability, single-handedly, to derail and end any thread you want...so this should go well.
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    ldent42ldent42 NYC Posts: 7,859
    BinFrog said:

    It would be a decent idea ONLY if a venue has 2 scheduled shows and the hometown priority is done for 1 show.

    This isn't a bad idea. I've been there though I know how much it hurts when you get shut out of tickets in your home town show. I'll ask you all to refrain from attacking me cuz I'm in a huge market, heartbreak feels the same regardless of your zip code.

    However I'd have to agree that for general purposes, every single show, it would be a nightmare. Plus, it does give a leg up to the much loathed scalpers. And what would happen if you move? You need to submit proof of address to the 10c? No, the criteria alone for designating a hometown venue for every single member then maintaining that database.... nightmare.
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    shepshep Houston Posts: 5,648
    ok.

    I choose my hometown city as Toronto.

    Glad we got that settled.
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    BubbaBubba Posts: 630
    No, you aren't entitled to tickets, you are only entitled to the chance to get tickets...that's all.
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    i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    edited May 2014
    The Hometown Priority does have some Value to it though but hard for the 10C to Maintain.

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    BubbaBubba Posts: 630
    i_lov_it said:

    Bubba said:

    No, you aren't entitled to tickets, you are only entitled to the chance to get tickets...that's all.

    Well that's Right...that's the way the Lottery works.

    Exactly, and it's all the 10C has ever offered, a chance to buy tickets before the public sale...they never once guaranteed any member tickets to a show.
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    BubbaBubba Posts: 630
    edited May 2014
    Think members forget this part of the 10C:

    Although members are not guaranteed tickets, they are given the best chance at the best seats via a drawing, before the public on-sales.
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    mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,764
    Priority # 1 is naturally a person's most convenient pick. In effect, making it a home show priority. What defines a "home show" is entirely up to the individual.
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    BubbaBubba Posts: 630
    edited May 2014

    Priority # 1 is naturally a person's most convenient pick. In effect, making it a home show priority. What defines a "home show" is entirely up to the individual.

    Exactly

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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,610
    No. People shouldn't have priority at any show just because they happen to be lucky enough to live close enough to where PJ is playing. Doing this would ensure that a huge number of people would never get 10C tix just because of where they live. Actually becomes discrimination based on address.

    Anyway, I don't see why you wouldn't get to see the Moline show. There are other ways to get tickets outside of the 10C lottery. There is literally no reason you can't get a ticket to the show one way or another.
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