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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/23/tenn-brings-back-electric-chair/

I know you guys don't like fox news but this just seems like a step in the wrong direction,I've had a heart attack and I think I would prefere that over electricution, I don't know about you guys
but the ele.chair seems a lot more painful and and a few short min's or seconds being zapped in the chair would seem like a life time of pain.

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    here's CNN's story on it.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/22/us/tennessee-executions/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Guilty as charged
    But damn it, it ain't right
    There is someone else controlling me

    Death in the air
    Strapped in the electric chair
    This can't be happening to me

    Who made you God to say
    "I'll take your life from you!"

    Flash before my eyes
    Now it's time to die
    Burning in my brain
    I can feel the flames

  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,049
    "Lethal drug scarcity"? And yet we have plenty of Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, Xanax etc. to keep American hooked. TN must have a surplus of electricity.

    What next- reinstate hanging? We really are a violent society.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    brianlux said:

    "Lethal drug scarcity"? And yet we have plenty of Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, Xanax etc. to keep American hooked. TN must have a surplus of electricity.

    What next- reinstate hanging? We really are a violent society.

    always have been always will be.. its why there will never be world peace.. never has been... never will be.

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Seems fitting, to me... being it IS Tennessee, after all.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,044
    brianlux said:

    "Lethal drug scarcity"? And yet we have plenty of Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, Xanax etc. to keep American hooked. TN must have a surplus of electricity.

    What next- reinstate hanging? We really are a violent society.

    Well, they do have that Great Society invention the TVA, after all.

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    why don't we just start boiling dudes in oil??

    we seem to have plenty of that lying around.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    why don't we just start boiling dudes in oil??

    we seem to have plenty of that lying around.

    What we should do, actually, is stop killing people. That way the electric chair wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    exactly.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited May 2014
    catefrances said:

    brianlux said:

    "Lethal drug scarcity"? And yet we have plenty of Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, Xanax etc. to keep American hooked. TN must have a surplus of electricity.

    What next- reinstate hanging? We really are a violent society.

    always have been always will be.. its why there will never be world peace.. never has been... never will be.

    Think of this a bit. Can we leave our evolved violent tendencies behind. We love violent movies, MMA, cock fighting, bull fighting, rubber necking gruesome accidents. Are we just violent animals that will always gravitate towards violence? Are there other human cultures that have progressed? Is it really progressing? Is the government and media partially to blame?
    Post edited by callen on
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    why don't we just start boiling dudes in oil??

    we seem to have plenty of that lying around.

    What we should do, actually, is stop killing people. That way the electric chair wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.
    And it starts with the state. It's not a solution.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    callen said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    why don't we just start boiling dudes in oil??

    we seem to have plenty of that lying around.

    What we should do, actually, is stop killing people. That way the electric chair wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.
    And it starts with the state. It's not a solution.
    Wrong. Very, very wrong.

    It doesn't start with the state... get serious for gawds sakes. The accountability for 'murder' lies exclusively with the 'murderer'.

    Put as succinctly as possible: If the individual doesn't go and murder someone, the state- and you and I- wouldn't have the problem of deciding what is and what isn't an appropriate response given what has been shoved down our throats.

    Leave people alone- there's your solution.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    why don't we just start boiling dudes in oil??

    we seem to have plenty of that lying around.

    What we should do, actually, is stop killing people. That way the electric chair wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

    Better yet have people stop killing people.

    Educate them.

  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    why don't we just start boiling dudes in oil??

    we seem to have plenty of that lying around.

    What we should do, actually, is stop killing people. That way the electric chair wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

    Better yet have people stop killing people.

    Obviously I haven't been clear enough. This is what I've been saying.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:



    Leave people alone- there's your solution.


    Many entities should heed that advice. Let's start with the Federal Govt.

  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:



    Leave people alone- there's your solution.


    Many entities should heed that advice. Let's start with the Federal Govt.

    Do you seriously think your country would fare well without the services provided by the federal government?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    why don't we just start boiling dudes in oil??

    we seem to have plenty of that lying around.

    What we should do, actually, is stop killing people. That way the electric chair wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.
    And it starts with the state. It's not a solution.
    Wrong. Very, very wrong.

    It doesn't start with the state... get serious for gawds sakes. The accountability for 'murder' lies exclusively with the 'murderer'.

    Put as succinctly as possible: If the individual doesn't go and murder someone, the state- and you and I- wouldn't have the problem of deciding what is and what isn't an appropriate response given what has been shoved down our throats.

    Leave people alone- there's your solution.
    Oh don't disagree starts with the murderer from the time they are conceived and the environment they're in. Education, livable wage, equality, medical.

    So why not just remove this practice from our society? Theres conflicting data that it even does any good......other than feeding thirst of vengeance by the masses. Telling members of society "don't kill but we can". and killing is a solution.

    Just seems like an easy quick way to get to the place we want, violence free society, assuming everyone really wants that. We may just be a violent species and take or be taken .
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited May 2014
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:



    Leave people alone- there's your solution.


    Many entities should heed that advice. Let's start with the Federal Govt.

    Do you seriously think your country would fare well without the services provided by the federal government?
    There's a balance. Do I think we get rid of all or list Perry tried to spew?, don't trust corporations to do right thing.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:



    Leave people alone- there's your solution.


    Many entities should heed that advice. Let's start with the Federal Govt.

    Do you seriously think your country would fare well without the services provided by the federal government?

    I think the Federal Government should provide the services that the Constitution authorizes it to and other services should be left up to the states to administer.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,044
    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:



    Leave people alone- there's your solution.


    Many entities should heed that advice. Let's start with the Federal Govt.

    Do you seriously think your country would fare well without the services provided by the federal government?

    I think the Federal Government should provide the services that the Constitution authorizes it to and other services should be left up to the states to administer.
    Got any examples? State vs. Fed services? Care to differentiate?

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,049
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    unsung said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:



    Leave people alone- there's your solution.


    Many entities should heed that advice. Let's start with the Federal Govt.

    Do you seriously think your country would fare well without the services provided by the federal government?

    I think the Federal Government should provide the services that the Constitution authorizes it to and other services should be left up to the states to administer.
    Got any examples? State vs. Fed services? Care to differentiate?

    Peace.
    I think he means legal pot- letting states decide. In other words, since WA and CO have legalized it, the feds should stay out of it in those states. But since the constitution was probably written on hemp paper, well, then it should be legal in every state. Right?

    Logic, my friends, good old fashioned logic. ;)
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  • mattsl1983mattsl1983 Posts: 711
    I guess I'm the only person who doesn't have a problem with it here.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mattsl1983 said:

    I guess I'm the only person who doesn't have a problem with it here.

    No. This is not the case.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    It's a gross way to kill someone. I'm surprised they can find employees willing to pull the switch, or doctors willing to be present. I've seen a video of someone being killed in the electric chair, and it's fucking gruesome. It's not the criminal I'm worried about. It's the people who are alive and involved in killing the people or even there to witness it. No one should have anything to do with murdering another human being, and certainly not in this way.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    mattsl1983 said:

    I guess I'm the only person who doesn't have a problem with it here.

    I have no problem with the electric chair. Honestly, I rather see that used than lethal injection. I think lethal injection creates the illusion of clean, painless death. This penalty is not clean. At least with the chair we can all see the reality of what is happening. Paralyzing someone before poisoning them and pretending it is somehow more humane, in my opinion, is worse.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    edited May 2014
    JimmyV said:

    mattsl1983 said:

    I guess I'm the only person who doesn't have a problem with it here.

    I have no problem with the electric chair. Honestly, I rather see that used than lethal injection. I think lethal injection creates the illusion of clean, painless death. This penalty is not clean. At least with the chair we can all see the reality of what is happening. Paralyzing someone before poisoning them and pretending it is somehow more humane, in my opinion, is worse.
    Lethal injection actually puts the person to sleep before anything else. It doesn't just paralyze them and they are still self-aware. The electric chair is way less humane if that is your concern. Now if you want people to really see someone suffer pain while dying, the electric chair is definitely the way to go.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    I think there are conflicting opinions on what the condemned really feels while receiving a lethal injection. If they are truly put to sleep that is one thing. If they are chemically paralyzed that is something else.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    edited May 2014
    JimmyV said:

    I think there are conflicting opinions on what the condemned really feels while receiving a lethal injection. If they are truly put to sleep that is one thing. If they are chemically paralyzed that is something else.

    Everything I've ever read says they are asleep; that's what the first injection is supposed to do..... where is the info suggesting they aren't asleep coming from?
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    PJ_Soul said:

    JimmyV said:

    I think there are conflicting opinions on what the condemned really feels while receiving a lethal injection. If they are truly put to sleep that is one thing. If they are chemically paralyzed that is something else.

    Everything I've ever read says they are asleep; that's what the first injection is supposed to do..... where is the info suggesting they aren't asleep coming from?
    A lot has been written on whether or not lethal injection is painless. Here is one article but there are others.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/03/death_penalty_drugs_lethal_injection_executions_are_so_bad_that_it_s_time.html
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    JimmyV said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JimmyV said:

    I think there are conflicting opinions on what the condemned really feels while receiving a lethal injection. If they are truly put to sleep that is one thing. If they are chemically paralyzed that is something else.

    Everything I've ever read says they are asleep; that's what the first injection is supposed to do..... where is the info suggesting they aren't asleep coming from?
    A lot has been written on whether or not lethal injection is painless. Here is one article but there are others.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/03/death_penalty_drugs_lethal_injection_executions_are_so_bad_that_it_s_time.html
    Okay, well when the job is botched or doctors are fucking up the doses, that's a whole other story.
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