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Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
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when it comes to politics everything is a guess to me (no big secrete right ?) but this investigation happening now rather than when everything happened just screams political attack because the shot callers don't want somebody running during the presidental elections, if I'm wrong no biggie but maybe the Clinton franchise has reached it's end...quick one of you ladies throw your shoe at her hahahhah.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/02/house-committee-subpoenas-kerry-over-benghazi-documents/
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,871
    "Not all Republicans are thrilled with Issa's renewed attention to the issue. Rep. Buck McKeon (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said Thursday that his committee has interviewed more than a dozen witnesses closely connected to the Benghazi attack and concluded that, contrary to what Issa is alleging, there is no evidence that State Department officials delayed a decision to deploy resources to the scene.

    Members of McKeon's committee also called it "puzzling" that Issa would find their work "incomplete" given that all of their briefings on the issue were open to members of Issa's committee, FOX News' Chad Pergram reported."

    From: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/02/darrell-issa-john-kerry-benghazi_n_5253825.html
    ............

    That's politics...and politicizing a tragedy is _________. I'll let people fill in the blank for themselves.

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    From what I have been able to gather... People seem to care less about the 4 dead in Benghazi then coming up with something they can pin on President Obama.
    Typically, it usually turns out to be the same people who supported the War in Iraq and accepted the deaths of U.S. soldiers as just the price of doing business.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604
    4 still dead right? Anything changed in budget etc to prevent this in the future? Like say a dramatic change in foreign policy ? No? Move on or go fucking home. You are wasting the peoples time with this shit.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    benghazi.

    there it is again.

    the republicans' favorite word.

    funny that it is that word when it is supposed to be JOBS...

    at any rate, unemployment is at it's lowest in 5 years, and 288,000 new jobs were created last month despite the republicans refusing to have a vote on a jobs bill.

    typical move though. the president gets credit for something, bring up old shit to tear him down.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    clearly the republicans learned nothing from the clinton investigations that repeatedly turned up nothing.

    i hope they go after obama over this and hold meetings and impeach him. the senate will find him not guilty in any trial, and the american people will be so angry that the congress did nothing again, that the gop will not win the white house for the next 30 years.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,041
    At the rate they're going they don't need Benghazi hearings to prevent them from winning the White House for the next thirty years. Demographics and their desire to return to the 1920's will ensure they never occupy the White House again.

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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    The big thing about Benghazi isn't the attack, it's the potential funneling of guns that were sent to Syria.

    That hopefully will get some attention at some point.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    it just so happens that a Dem house was in the seat when this attack took place had it been a Republican house the Dems would be doing the same thing don't you guy's see that ? when we talk about drinking the cool-aid I think we all have our own flavor and at the end of the day it's just politics and that's how it's done "throw dirt and sling mud" if politics were honest and uncourpeted I'd be a flag waving Democrate but as it stands I can't claim to be a Republican either so I support some things and disaprove of others, it my opinion politics has created a line between radicals ...Radical Dems and Radical Repub's and everybody else is along for the ride..well that's what it seems like anyway and the unfortunate attack in Benghazi will be politically used by what ever side can effictivly use it to reach a goal.

    Godfather.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    Godfather. said:

    it just so happens that a Dem house was in the seat when this attack took place had it been a Republican house the Dems would be doing the same thing don't you guy's see that ? when we talk about drinking the cool-aid I think we all have our own flavor and at the end of the day it's just politics and that's how it's done "throw dirt and sling mud" if politics were honest and uncourpeted I'd be a flag waving Democrate but as it stands I can't claim to be a Republican either so I support some things and disaprove of others, it my opinion politics has created a line between radicals ...Radical Dems and Radical Repub's and everybody else is along for the ride..well that's what it seems like anyway and the unfortunate attack in Benghazi will be politically used by what ever side can effictivly use it to reach a goal.

    Godfather.

    hmm, which side is using benghazi and what is their goal??

    i think the answer to that is obvious to anybody that has paid attention the last 5 years.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    i will give ya a hint.

    they lost the obamacare fight, they lost on the "don't vote on a jobs bill" strategy, they lost the popular vote for the house by a million votes even though the districts are set up to keep them in power. every terrible thing that they said was going to happen, the opposite has happened, so benghazi is all they have. that is it, and even there, they got nothing.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    hmm, which side is using benghazi and what is their goal??

    well as I said "it just so happens that a Dem house was in the seat when this attack took place had it been a Republican house the Dems would be doing the same thing"
    and that's the way it is, they all have their smear campains right ? and the Repub's goal is what it has been for a long time "get Obama out" and fill the house with Republicans so they can better control the working class and their money because that's who pays the bill's"........but really they fuck that up too, as I also said Gimmi politics is corupted on both sides and I'm starting to believe that the dems are the lesser of 2 evil's well as far as my life is concerned anyway if I were W.Buffett who know's ?

    Godfather.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    you are correct GF the dems are the lesser of two evils...we all know both parties are beholden to the richest, but i like to view it as ground troops or special ops. The GOP puts boots on the ground, and then boots on our throats in the fight to sell out the government and economy, while the Dems use politcal maneuvering, sanctions, and acute attack to acheive the same. At least with Dems they have to try to maneuver and dont just bust your head so to speak.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    rgambs said:

    you are correct GF the dems are the lesser of two evils...we all know both parties are beholden to the richest, but i like to view it as ground troops or special ops. The GOP puts boots on the ground, and then boots on our throats in the fight to sell out the government and economy, while the Dems use politcal maneuvering, sanctions, and acute attack to acheive the same. At least with Dems they have to try to maneuver and dont just bust your head so to speak.


    it's just a shame the American people have been the victims of our own political system,there is no trust in any polition to do the right thing for the American people
    and it creates an inviorement that set's us aginst each other, maybe if we all as country could understand that we may move better in the right direction, the people have been seperated from political involvment and attacked when we take a stand aginst political injustices,it seems our system has become something bigger than itself.
    and yes the Republicans/corprate"anti" America piss me off more and more as time goes by.

    Godfather.

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604
    ^^^^we're witness to something amazing folks.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    The distraction continues...
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    As with 9-11 you can't prevent everything especially when operating in hostile environment. This is a witch hunt. Period.
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    edited May 2014
    Godfather. said:

    hmm, which side is using benghazi and what is their goal??

    well as I said "it just so happens that a Dem house was in the seat when this attack took place had it been a Republican house the Dems would be doing the same thing"
    and that's the way it is, they all have their smear campains right ? and the Repub's goal is what it has been for a long time "get Obama out" and fill the house with Republicans so they can better control the working class and their money because that's who pays the bill's"........but really they fuck that up too, as I also said Gimmi politics is corupted on both sides and I'm starting to believe that the dems are the lesser of 2 evil's well as far as my life is concerned anyway if I were W.Buffett who know's ?

    Godfather.

    GF. I disagree. The dems and supporters didn't put up as much of a fuss about 9-11 as FOX is putting up about this. As Hillary eloquently stated "4 Americans are dead" find those responsible and go after them. There was no gross negligence or more of a cover up than any administration trying to figure out what really happened. This is a red herring.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,769
    Cosmo said:

    From what I have been able to gather... People seem to care less about the 4 dead in Benghazi then coming up with something they can pin on President Obama.
    Typically, it usually turns out to be the same people who supported the War in Iraq and accepted the deaths of U.S. soldiers as just the price of doing business.

    This isn't about Obama. Its about Hillary and her upcoming campaign.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    What difference does it make?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    why do the republicans constantly have to have a scandal to be fixated on?

    they can't win on the issues, so they have to try to sabotage the people who can beat them in the elections. and that to me is the definition of PATHETIC.

    i think the dems should not appoint a single one to the committee.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    callen said:

    Godfather. said:

    hmm, which side is using benghazi and what is their goal??

    well as I said "it just so happens that a Dem house was in the seat when this attack took place had it been a Republican house the Dems would be doing the same thing"
    and that's the way it is, they all have their smear campains right ? and the Repub's goal is what it has been for a long time "get Obama out" and fill the house with Republicans so they can better control the working class and their money because that's who pays the bill's"........but really they fuck that up too, as I also said Gimmi politics is corupted on both sides and I'm starting to believe that the dems are the lesser of 2 evil's well as far as my life is concerned anyway if I were W.Buffett who know's ?

    Godfather.

    GF. I disagree. The dems and supporters didn't put up as much of a fuss about 9-11 as FOX is putting up about this. As Hillary eloquently stated "4 Americans are dead" find those responsible and go after them. There was no gross negligence or more of a cover up than any administration trying to figure out what really happened. This is a red herring.
    "4 Americans are dead" find those responsible and go after them ..........I think this is the part of terrorism that gets out of control, everybody involved in the riot that day is responsible but if we were to wipe that whole neighbor hood or city we would be guilty of murder.....not self defence and besides who's job is to go after these terrorist or rioters because as far as I know nobody has done anything.

    Godfather.


  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    what were the names of the 4 victims?

    all of you making a huge issue about benghazi had better at least have their names memorized.

    personally, i would be sickened if i lost a loved one there and their memory and their death were being used for republican political gain. that is all this is. a charade to damage obama and clinton.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    edited May 2014
    Here's my take on Benghazi...
    It is basically, a break down in security procedures that lead to the over running of the foriegn consulate in Benghazi and the killing of 4 Americans tasked to that diplomatic mission... that has been politicised into a partisan issue to be fed to the politically inept under the guise of investigative journalism. The result being anger by people who base their opinions on what is told to them by television talking heads. People who have no idea where the hell Benghazi is because it's not up their asses... which is the only place they are looking. All they know it that is is directed towards the person they did not vote for in 2008, so it must be a very important issue.
    If they REALLY wanted to know about Benghazi, they would review the Congressional Investigation and read through the 20,000 page report to discover that there has ALREADY BEEN a Congressional Hearing on Benghazi.
    ...
    If these people understoood anything about politics, they would understand that administrations spin news stories in their favor... whether it be to direct the intent of the attack to be the result of a video against a religion... or making a hero of Jessica Lynch... or claiming Taliban Terrorists killed Pat Tillman. We discover that these stories are made up lies to spin the events in their favor... that's what politicians do. It's NOT right that they do it, but anyone with a clue on politics understands that it happens ALL THE TIME.
    ...
    If you want to go after President Obama... go after him about his flagrant overuse of Drone Attacks... or keeping Camp Delta open in Cuba. If these politicians and their minions really want to know about Benghazi... all they need to do is read the fucking report on it. Let's not waste more of our tax dollars on paying fucking ass politicians creating busy work for themselves to make it look like they are working... so politically inept Americans can believe they are earning their keep.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    i agree with most of what cosmo said.

    except for the part about referring members of congress to read the 20,000 page report. most of them don't even read the laws they vote on. why in god's name would they actually read something when they can just sit back and spout bullshit political theater?
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    benghazi bump!!!!
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Cosmo said:

    Here's my take on Benghazi...
    It is basically, a break down in security procedures that lead to the over running of the foriegn consulate in Benghazi and the killing of 4 Americans tasked to that diplomatic mission... that has been politicised into a partisan issue to be fed to the politically inept under the guise of investigative journalism. The result being anger by people who base their opinions on what is told to them by television talking heads. People who have no idea where the hell Benghazi is because it's not up their asses... which is the only place they are looking. All they know it that is is directed towards the person they did not vote for in 2008, so it must be a very important issue.
    If they REALLY wanted to know about Benghazi, they would review the Congressional Investigation and read through the 20,000 page report to discover that there has ALREADY BEEN a Congressional Hearing on Benghazi.
    ...
    If these people understoood anything about politics, they would understand that administrations spin news stories in their favor... whether it be to direct the intent of the attack to be the result of a video against a religion... or making a hero of Jessica Lynch... or claiming Taliban Terrorists killed Pat Tillman. We discover that these stories are made up lies to spin the events in their favor... that's what politicians do. It's NOT right that they do it, but anyone with a clue on politics understands that it happens ALL THE TIME.
    ...
    If you want to go after President Obama... go after him about his flagrant overuse of Drone Attacks... or keeping Camp Delta open in Cuba. If these politicians and their minions really want to know about Benghazi... all they need to do is read the fucking report on it. Let's not waste more of our tax dollars on paying fucking ass politicians creating busy work for themselves to make it look like they are working... so politically inept Americans can believe they are earning their keep.

    people go after obama over this benghazi stuff because he is the president and it happened on his watch, should we all just forget that it happened becouse obama can't give an honest answer ? sense this guy has been president so many people make excuses for him...it's bush's fault...all the Republicans are racist...bottom line is that he is the president and this falls under his roll of responsability.

    Godfather.

  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    It's really sad 4 people died but relatively speaking..........
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Godfather. said:

    people go after obama over this benghazi stuff because he is the president and it happened on his watch, should we all just forget that it happened becouse obama can't give an honest answer ? sense this guy has been president so many people make excuses for him...it's bush's fault...all the Republicans are racist...bottom line is that he is the president and this falls under his roll of responsability.

    Godfather.

    ...
    No, sir. People are clinging to this Benghazi thing because they are politically partisan shitheads. Nothing else... just partisan politics being played out so stupid people can have something to bitch about.
    Again, the attacks at Benghazi Consulate was a failure in security policies and the procedures in place at the time of the attacks. There has already been numerous inqueries and a Congressional Hearing in which then Secretary of State Clinton is questioned on the matters. No one is making excuses about what happened because we understand there were lapses in the security procedures and that the Congressional Hearing highlighted these failures. We understand that the protests in Cairo were reaction to the video, but the Benghazi attacks were not. We know that there were no protests at the Benghazi Consulate and that this event was completely seperate from the other protests in the Arab countries.
    THAT... is what makes it a politically partisan deal. NOTHING to do with the events that took place... EVERYTHING to do with what was said on talk shows, such as 'Face The Nation'. The Benghzi-maniacs know nothing about Benghazi, itself (or refuse to accept it) and are only 'outraged' because they hate President Obama to the point where they are ready to pop a blood veing in their necks over it. It is political partisan bullshit.
    ...
    The thing FOX News, Tea Party Republicans nas idiot FOX News audience members are hooked on are the talking points... nothing to do with the failure in security and the intelligence community.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604
    one thing we havent mentioned, as far as I know, is the host country bears the responsibility in providing security. Not that that excuses anything or anyone by any means, but US security is/was limited , especially in a conuslate situation rather than a fully staffed embassy. protocol worldwide.

    This was a country in early transition and yet again a failure to compensate for the sure to come power vaccuum is/was a problem.As well as the literal tons of weapons unaccounted(as unsung alluded to) for that disappeard in part because it helps continue the cycle of meddleing foreign policy and we "allies" had planes only no boots on the ground.

    Politicized and/or fundamentalist religion is a major contributor to violence as well, NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION.

    Limited engagement nets this kind of thing. Full blown involvement perpetuates and fuels the cycle of violence. Hands off means unchecked aggression.

    Whats the best move GF?

    I vote we learn as best we can from the TOTAL picture( this incident and the bigger picture as well.) and adjust accordingly going forward. Nothing is bringing those 4 back. We CAN try to prevent more deaths in the future. Again, whats the best move?
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    mickeyrat said:

    one thing we havent mentioned, as far as I know, is the host country bears the responsibility in providing security. Not that that excuses anything or anyone by any means, but US security is/was limited , especially in a conuslate situation rather than a fully staffed embassy. protocol worldwide.

    This was a country in early transition and yet again a failure to compensate for the sure to come power vaccuum is/was a problem.As well as the literal tons of weapons unaccounted(as unsung alluded to) for that disappeard in part because it helps continue the cycle of meddleing foreign policy and we "allies" had planes only no boots on the ground.

    Politicized and/or fundamentalist religion is a major contributor to violence as well, NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION.

    Limited engagement nets this kind of thing. Full blown involvement perpetuates and fuels the cycle of violence. Hands off means unchecked aggression.

    Whats the best move GF?

    I vote we learn as best we can from the TOTAL picture( this incident and the bigger picture as well.) and adjust accordingly going forward. Nothing is bringing those 4 back. We CAN try to prevent more deaths in the future. Again, whats the best move?

    ........I must admit your notion of moving forward is the best and most logical idea and I have to agree with you, if a mistake was made should those involved be held accountable ? I will admit that I know next to shit about this...only what the media has given us as Cosmo has said so with that in mind you are right my friend.

    Godfather.

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