Major Mansfield Tailgaiting issues

over bends

mookieblalock wrote:

So by your logic, when I go to the grocery store (which is a private institution) any employee of the grocery store can search my wallet (or a female's purse)? Just because it is a private institution doesn't make them immune to illegal search and seizure laws.

Do I need to show you that in the constitution?

What's next, strip searching? Honestly, because of people like you looking the other way, our country is slowly losing our freedoms. This is a bigger issue than drinking a few beers in a parking lot before a concert. The fact that you need someone to cite an article from the constitution for you to see the big picture is truly sickening.

Peace.

Great analogy.

There is nothing illegal about police busting of open alcohol containers in a zone that prohibits it. Did they force open every trunk to see if there was a beer keg? If they did, I am sorry. That is wrong and I'll get on their case for doing so. But otherwise, your analogy of employees (not police officers) forcing your wallet out of your pocket for no reason is absurd. It shows a lack of understanding of law aswell on a lot of levels if you think the two situations are the same.

MattyJoe

mookieblalock wrote:

So by your logic, when I go to the grocery store (which is a private institution) any employee of the grocery store can search my wallet (or a female's purse)? Just because it is a private institution doesn't make them immune to illegal search and seizure laws.

They have the right to not sell alcohol to you. And they also have a right, as the owners of the parking lot, to ban alcohol consumption in the parking lot.

You see, when you buy tickets, you're in a sense signing a contract. They'll provide you with the entertainment guaranteed by the ticket, and in exchange you comply with anything they require of their patrons, as long as it isn't seriously infringing on your rights (drinking in the parking lot NOT being one of them). If you don't comply with their rules (and, thereby, breaking your side of the contract), they have every right to take the tickets back. Tickets are recognized by law as mini contracts. Read the small print on the back.

on2legs

mookieblalock wrote:

So by your logic, when I go to the grocery store (which is a private institution) any employee of the grocery store can search my wallet (or a female's purse)? Just because it is a private institution doesn't make them immune to illegal search and seizure laws.

Actually... yes they can. Its not uncommon for big department stores to have signs posted that bags and packages are subject to search (to deter shoplifting).

And yes.. they are immune for the most part from search and seizure laws. Since it private property they can establish just about any rules they want. If you want to patronize their business you have to follow the rules. The alternative is to shop somewhere else.

The 4th amendment only prohibits the government from unlawful/unreasonable searches and seizures... not private citizens.

MattyJoe

On2Legs wrote:

The 4th amendment only prohibits the government from unlawful/unreasonable searches and seizures... not private citizens.

Exactly!!

Unlawful seizure by private citizens is called theft.

1STmammal2wearPants

It does suck, but by the same token, living in massachusetts all my life, there are a bunch of fucking toolbag frat boys that go to some of these shows. if people didn't act like savages, there would be no basis for them to be laying down the law. from past experiences, people are stupid at this venue. i really can't blame em too much.

Lostdoggie

I'm not going to join in all the legal talk, but it did suck worrying about whether or not the cops were going to make me dump my beers. The vast majority of the people tailgating are civil and cause no problems but unfortunately there are some d-bags out there that ruin it for everybody.

I wonder what happened at the Tom Petty concert...

Vacant

As I understand it, it was entirely a Mansfield issue. This new crackdown also happened to coincide with the name change of the venue, concerning employees that Comcast would get the crap for it. I was talking to the public relations rep for Live Nation (I was a photographer at the event) and she explained that it was the town's stricter rules that increased the police insanity, not theirs.

There were a damn load of cops in the lot, though, that's for sure. As soon as I parked the police were inspecting all the cars and were scolding people for all sorts of random stuff. I saw a few arrests, where they dragged the offender behind that large fence! I'm not sure when they released them all, but when I was leaving around 9:30 I spotted one person being let out.

jaroth

Was one of the last cars into the $40 lot last night. Some people said there were some fights and a rape a couple of weeks ago, so they were cracking down. Saw some cops walking around to other cars, but we were careful (only two of us). Kept our cooler in the trunk and had our solo cups. When we saw the cops walking around, we just put the beers and cups down in the trunk and closed up shop. We just continued to grill and didn't get bothered. But definitely keep it low key on Monday.

mookieblalock

over_bends wrote:

Great analogy.

There is nothing illegal about police busting of open alcohol containers in a zone that prohibits it. Did they force open every trunk to see if there was a beer keg? If they did, I am sorry. That is wrong and I'll get on their case for doing so. But otherwise, your analogy of employees (not police officers) forcing your wallet out of your pocket for no reason is absurd. It shows a lack of understanding of law aswell on a lot of levels if you think the two situations are the same.

Yes, they actually did open trunks and coolers of people who had no open containers (such as myself). That is my entire point. It isn't legal.

Thank you for your apology

Foxy Mop

mookieblalock wrote:

This was the worst tailgaiting experience of my life. I felt I was in Red China. Honestly security/Police literally would setup camp around us and just stare at us (the entire parking section of where I was).

The worst part about it, was that everyone was supercool and of age and just having a good time, nobody was out to get hammered/high, whatever.

Can anyone tell me if this was the same or different in the Pre-paid lot at the venue? If it isn't, I will certainly be parking there tomorrow. Otherwise, I will wait and park in one of the lots outside the venue.

Absolutely ridiculous...

Sorry to hear all your experiences sucked... consider an alternative to tailgating on Monday and come down to Picadilly Pub where we are having the fundraiser for the CCFA. Fairfield Taxi is providing cab/shuttle service and we have some sweet items for raffle/donation/auction inlcuding Flight to Mars t-shirts and one of the setlists from the Mansfield 1 night's show

crowpoint01

Pearl Jam should never play there again after tomorrow night. Not sure what the capacity of the Copcast Center is but I think it may be similar to the Pavillion on the waterfront. I vote new venue.
Did You see ONE SINGLE cop after the show? Where were they , at D&D having iced coffee while people spent two hours idling in their cars wasting gas and polluting the environment. They should of been there at the end to help people get out of that cluster fu*k! I have been going to this venue for 20 years and it always sucks to get out.

freindlyfired

my2hands wrote:

Just more proof that the best Pearl Jam tailgates in the country are in philly/camden


without a doubt

AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dropmyleash

binauralsounds wrote:

Took tickets?????? Uhhh, how is this legal? Are you sure about this?????

Guy right across from me had all his booze and his ticket taken.
I witnessed it myself.

Lostdoggie

dropmyleash wrote:

Guy right across from me had all his booze and his ticket taken.
I witnessed it myself.

Did he do anything to provoke the cops? I got there at like 6:30 last night and I didn't have any problems. Now I'm nervouse about tomorrow.

mookieblalock

Lostdoggie wrote:

Did he do anything to provoke the cops? I got there at like 6:30 last night and I didn't have any problems. Now I'm nervouse about tomorrow.

By 6:30 they weren't really bothering people. They had the same number of cops/security patrolling the lots at 6:30 as they did 2:30.

Granted, some people were stupid, drunk, etc. and got themselves into their own mess.

I personally witnessed lots of cool, low-key folks just being harrassed for no reason. The guy next to me was told to toss his cup out, the cop didn't even look or ask what was in the cup (it wasn't even alcohol).

I think lots of people are ASSUMING that everyone who was harrassed was doing something wrong, when, in fact, they were not.

Just be careful tomorrow or don't drink at all. Be sure to wear your seatbelt when arriving to the venue, because they may claim that not wearing it is a reason for ticket revocation as well. After all, that is breaking the law as well...

DiRtYyELLoWoCeAn

I was there I didnt know this was the "Copcast Center" I've lived in Boston all my life you can read more about my review in the "Masfield 1 live Reviews"..... what is this f**kin Russia?

dropmyleash

Lostdoggie wrote:

Did he do anything to provoke the cops? I got there at like 6:30 last night and I didn't have any problems. Now I'm nervouse about tomorrow.

Yah actually, he was trying to be cute and it backfired:

Cops came rolling down our aisle
Stopped and harassed 3 guys playing cribbage on a card table
They ended up leaving the lot.
This guy was like 3 cars from them.
As cops are going by, he just has to say something and says "Look, see...just drinking cranberry juice officer", so the cops stop and one actually smells his drink which is obviously vodka/cranberry and he is told that he now has 2 options:

Go to jail.
Give me you booze and tickets and don't go to jail.

We were right across from him as a 3 car group grilling and cooking. We just all put our cups down as they approached and just stood there in silence and had no problems. You just don't want to draw ANY attention to yourself. Like none...


Also, after 6 or so most of the police presence is gone, but from 3-6...watch the fuck out!

NY PJ1

never been there but this venue sucks

Gangstacro

There was definately a bigger police presence than any show at Great Woods I have ever been to. However, if you played it smart, you could easily have a great time and get buzzed up for the concert.

Instructions for drinking at Mansfield:

1) Don't hang with a big crowd of people. The main people they were going after last night were the groups of people with the big grills, tents, etc. Try and keep your group to 4 people or so.

2) Keep the coolers in your trunk and drink from a solo cup. As soon as you see a cop or a golf cart, either place your solo cup in your trunk, under the car, or poor it out. My plan next time I go is to make a bunch of gin & tonics in Poland Spring bottles.

3) If a cop comes up to you and asks to see your cup, tell him yes it is alcohol and immediately poor it out. Ensure him it won't happen again. If you don't do this, you may lose your ticket, which is the worst possible outcome.

4) Do not use any type of attitude with these cops. As cool as you think you are and as much as you think you are right, you are not and you are not supposed to be drinking in that lot, no matter what your age.

My wife and I played it cool and I was able to finish a 12 pack from 4-7:30 last night without any trouble from the cops. I had a great time, and just kept reminding myself that no matter what, to be nice to the cops and do what they say.

This is always the best way to go.

mookieblalock

Gangstacro wrote:

3) If a cop comes up to you and asks to see your cup, tell him yes it is alcohol and immediately poor it out. Ensure him it won't happen again. If you don't do this, you may lose your ticket, which is the worst possible outcome.

I wonder what happens if you haven't picked up your 10c tix yet? Do they just tell you to leave? Just curious.