Citizens United Round 2

backseatLover12

When will you people realize that there is only one side and that is the side of the system. While you folk are arguing sides, the higher ups are laughing at you yet satisfied that you'd rather spend your time discussing minute issues while they're jerking the chains. They are all ONE. And the lone scapegoat at the top? Just a scapegoat to the greater and almighty SYSTEM.

Now can we get back on track and discuss the subject?

mikepegg44

I will ask again because I think it got glossed over, does anyone agree that suppressing the amount of spending one is doing on an election is a violation of the first amendment and that, as deplorable as it may be, it needs to be protected akin to hate speech? I think Roberts is probably right to the letter of the law, but it definitely shows how there need to be sweeping constitutional changes to election law and unfortunately I don't ever see it happening until the whole system fails.

polaris_x

mikepegg44 said:

I will ask again because I think it got glossed over, does anyone agree that suppressing the amount of spending one is doing on an election is a violation of the first amendment and that, as deplorable as it may be, it needs to be protected akin to hate speech? I think Roberts is probably right to the letter of the law, but it definitely shows how there need to be sweeping constitutional changes to election law and unfortunately I don't ever see it happening until the whole system fails.

i would say the constitution has been shat upon since the beginning of its existence and that using it as a justification to further erode the democratic principles in the US is pitiful ... this is not about protecting freedom of speech ... it's like arguing the genital mutilation of a child is ok because of religious freedoms ...

the corporatization of america continues ... the people have lost ...

gimmesometruth27

we lost a long time ago.

since money is now speech, i guess it really talks and bullshit walks.

brianlux

Plutocrazy, pure and simple. The will of the few to do whatever the f they want.

rgambs

robert reich said something like...it doesn't matter who the donors are, a few billionaires having an arguement is not democracy.

mikepegg44

polaris_x said:

mikepegg44 said:

I will ask again because I think it got glossed over, does anyone agree that suppressing the amount of spending one is doing on an election is a violation of the first amendment and that, as deplorable as it may be, it needs to be protected akin to hate speech? I think Roberts is probably right to the letter of the law, but it definitely shows how there need to be sweeping constitutional changes to election law and unfortunately I don't ever see it happening until the whole system fails.

i would say the constitution has been shat upon since the beginning of its existence and that using it as a justification to further erode the democratic principles in the US is pitiful ... this is not about protecting freedom of speech ... it's like arguing the genital mutilation of a child is ok because of religious freedoms ...

the corporatization of america continues ... the people have lost ...

I agree, I think that elections should be publicly funded. I don't believe you should be able to donate one penny to an elected official.

That is what I meant when I said there needs to be sweeping constitutional changes to the election laws in the US. We always knew that elected officials were for sale, at least now it is out in the open.
If they are going to allow unlimited amounts of money to be spent, then there needs to be much more stringent restrictions on the truthfulness of adds. The more I think about it the sadder I get. I think this is the final nail for me in terms of caring about the political process

polaris_x

but at least now you know who the real evil culprits are ... the big corporations and 1% ...

gimmesometruth27

just think how much these rich pricks could help their fellow men if they wanted to. they could give that money to charity or to medical research or something. instead they give their millions of dollars to buy people only to benefit themselves and their financial/business interests.

rgambs

trillions of dollars just sitting around doing jack shit...i think western individualism is among the highest ideals, but it will be the downfall of humanity.