Do some of the dumbest people you speak of have law degrees?
Eleven of Fred Phelps' 13 children have law degrees..."They have a very well-respected law firm in Topeka," Sherman says. "People in town said, 'Well, we don't like them, but if we want to win a case, we'll go to them.' "
...The protests are in themselves a source of some income, according to Potok. Over the years the Phelpses have filed lawsuits against communities that try to stop them from demonstrating.
"And as a general matter they have won," he says. "They know their First Amendment rights very well, and they've been very good at defending them."
When they win, they often receive tens of thousands of dollars in court fees. And their winning streak is likely to continue, now that the Supreme Court has decided that Westboro's right to free speech trumps the right of families to bury their loved ones undisturbed.
I'm not sure why "assuming" anything about this family, in which many do, is any justification of anything.
Many well thought of people insist Emotional Intelligence trumps an IQ (say nothing of Moral Intelligence).
The Westboro Baptist Church people appear to dramatically fail in each of the four pillars of EQ: Self-awareness (how their actions impact others) Self-management (preventing yourself from doing things that produce negative results) Social awareness ('reading the room' or noting how others are responding to you) Relationship-management (being open and curious is a critical component of this pillar of EQ)
They might be able to read, write some papers and respond correctly to questions asked of them on tests, but this doesn't mean they are 'smart' in the manner I have come to understand.
I'm not disagreeing with your thoughts on emotional intelligence, but c'mon...you know that's not what we're talking about. You're just trying to find a different angle. We're not debating the meaning of "smart".
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Do some of the dumbest people you speak of have law degrees?
Eleven of Fred Phelps' 13 children have law degrees..."They have a very well-respected law firm in Topeka," Sherman says. "People in town said, 'Well, we don't like them, but if we want to win a case, we'll go to them.' "
...The protests are in themselves a source of some income, according to Potok. Over the years the Phelpses have filed lawsuits against communities that try to stop them from demonstrating.
"And as a general matter they have won," he says. "They know their First Amendment rights very well, and they've been very good at defending them."
When they win, they often receive tens of thousands of dollars in court fees. And their winning streak is likely to continue, now that the Supreme Court has decided that Westboro's right to free speech trumps the right of families to bury their loved ones undisturbed.
I'm not sure why "assuming" anything about this family, in which many do, is any justification of anything.
Many well thought of people insist Emotional Intelligence trumps an IQ (say nothing of Moral Intelligence).
The Westboro Baptist Church people appear to dramatically fail in each of the four pillars of EQ: Self-awareness (how their actions impact others) Self-management (preventing yourself from doing things that produce negative results) Social awareness ('reading the room' or noting how others are responding to you) Relationship-management (being open and curious is a critical component of this pillar of EQ)
They might be able to read, write some papers and respond correctly to questions asked of them on tests, but this doesn't mean they are 'smart' in the manner I have come to understand.
Agreed with Binfrog here. You know what we were talking about… The word "appear" is the same as assumption. Do we really know exactly everything about this family other than their father's hate? Not really. But assuming we know, is just that. A guess.
as·sump·tion [uh-suhmp-shuhn] noun 1. something taken for granted; a supposition: a correct assumption. Synonyms: presupposition; hypothesis, conjecture, guess, postulate, theory. 2. the act of taking for granted or supposing. Synonyms: presumption; presupposition. 3. the act of taking to or upon oneself. Synonyms: acceptance, shouldering. 4. the act of taking possession of something: the assumption of power. Synonyms: seizure, appropriation, usurpation, arrogation. 5. arrogance; presumption. Synonyms: presumptuousness; effrontery, forwardness, gall.
I'm not disagreeing with your thoughts on emotional intelligence, but c'mon...you know that's not what we're talking about. You're just trying to find a different angle. We're not debating the meaning of "smart".
I'm not deliberately trying to provoke an argument. Disagreeing on the collective intelligence of the Westboro Baptist Church members is hardly a contentious issue worthy of any significant energy. I'm just letting you know where I'm coming from.
You can think they're smart all you want. I disagree with you and I've offered an explained why.
Do some of the dumbest people you speak of have law degrees?
Eleven of Fred Phelps' 13 children have law degrees..."They have a very well-respected law firm in Topeka," Sherman says. "People in town said, 'Well, we don't like them, but if we want to win a case, we'll go to them.' "
...The protests are in themselves a source of some income, according to Potok. Over the years the Phelpses have filed lawsuits against communities that try to stop them from demonstrating.
"And as a general matter they have won," he says. "They know their First Amendment rights very well, and they've been very good at defending them."
When they win, they often receive tens of thousands of dollars in court fees. And their winning streak is likely to continue, now that the Supreme Court has decided that Westboro's right to free speech trumps the right of families to bury their loved ones undisturbed.
I'm not sure why "assuming" anything about this family, in which many do, is any justification of anything.
Many well thought of people insist Emotional Intelligence trumps an IQ (say nothing of Moral Intelligence).
The Westboro Baptist Church people appear to dramatically fail in each of the four pillars of EQ: Self-awareness (how their actions impact others) Self-management (preventing yourself from doing things that produce negative results) Social awareness ('reading the room' or noting how others are responding to you) Relationship-management (being open and curious is a critical component of this pillar of EQ)
They might be able to read, write some papers and respond correctly to questions asked of them on tests, but this doesn't mean they are 'smart' in the manner I have come to understand.
Agreed with Binfrog here. You know what we were talking about… The word "appear" is the same as assumption. Do we really know exactly everything about this family other than their father's hate? Not really. But assuming we know, is just that. A guess.
as·sump·tion [uh-suhmp-shuhn] noun 1. something taken for granted; a supposition: a correct assumption. Synonyms: presupposition; hypothesis, conjecture, guess, postulate, theory. 2. the act of taking for granted or supposing. Synonyms: presumption; presupposition. 3. the act of taking to or upon oneself. Synonyms: acceptance, shouldering. 4. the act of taking possession of something: the assumption of power. Synonyms: seizure, appropriation, usurpation, arrogation. 5. arrogance; presumption. Synonyms: presumptuousness; effrontery, forwardness, gall.
I'm not sure why you have cut and pasted the definition of 'assumption' here? I used the word 'appear' because, as you have said, I cannot definitively state one way or another whether these people do have a level of intelligence worthy of any respect or not.
Your post works both ways- so just as you throw it at me for food for thought... think of it yourself while you positively assert how smart these folks are.
I'm not referring to social intelligence when I call them smart, nor is anyone else.
I beg to differ. Read back through the posts. The comment we are all referring to at the moment was spawned from this group of people's lack of ability to understand the profound significance of a sign that read We Are Sorry For Your Loss(or something like that).
Their 'high' IQs would assist them with reading the sign, but in order to understand the significance of it, they would need even the remotest measures of social intelligence- to which I say... they have none.
I'm not referring to social intelligence when I call them smart, nor is anyone else.
I beg to differ. Read back through the posts. The comment we are all referring to at the moment was spawned from this group of people's lack of ability to understand the profound significance of a sign that read We Are Sorry For Your Loss(or something like that).
Their 'high' IQs would assist them with reading the sign, but in order to understand the significance of it, they would need even the remotest measures of social intelligence- to which I say... they have none.
And my response was that they 101% fully understand the significance of the sign but refuse to acknowledge it. Don't just take them at their word. Just because they "claim" to not understand the sign means absolutely nothing. they damn well know what the sign means and what it is trying to accomplish. Their tactic is to do what so many people keep saying their opponents should do - ignore them and hope they go away.
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I'm not referring to social intelligence when I call them smart, nor is anyone else.
I beg to differ. Read back through the posts. The comment we are all referring to at the moment was spawned from this group of people's lack of ability to understand the profound significance of a sign that read We Are Sorry For Your Loss(or something like that).
Their 'high' IQs would assist them with reading the sign, but in order to understand the significance of it, they would need even the remotest measures of social intelligence- to which I say... they have none.
And my response was that they 101% fully understand the significance of the sign but refuse to acknowledge it. Don't just take them at their word. Just because they "claim" to not understand the sign means absolutely nothing. they damn well know what the sign means and what it is trying to accomplish. Their tactic is to do what so many people keep saying their opponents should do - ignore them and hope they go away.
To which, I replied, don't give them too much credit. You are making an assumption here as much as I was. You seek to give them credit based on their credentials, while I seek to give them none for their actions.
Bin... we can keep going on here if you wish, but I seriously couldn't give a shit. These people are truly comedy to me and if you want to think they are wise then feel free. I'm not there with you, but I don't think any less of you and the opinion you hold at the same time. You have explained your reasoning for thinking the way you do very clearly and I get it. I hope I have explained where I am at in a similar manner so that you can understand how I see things.
We do agree that 'Chemistry' is ill-used by Rush. This, my friend, is infinitely more important than whether or not these clowns are smart or dumb.
I agree with BinFrog on this... they are not stupid and they know exactly what they can and can't do, legally. ... Remember when they protested Mathew Sheppard's funeral? They saw the media attention it got them. They stared protesting at funerals of gay people, specifically celebrities. America didn't care because America really didn't care much about the Gays. The Westboro Church saw that and wanted to get more media attention. They went after something that Americans DID care about... soldiers. That got them attention. Their tactics are to stay within the legal limits. Remain on public property, do not obstruct traffic... all the things we all can do as protected rights. They WANT someone to punch them so they can file assault charges against them. ... That is why I say use their tactics against them. You have the SAME rights to that public property and you can express your own opinions about them. You have the right to stand next to them with your own sign. If they shove you... you can file charges against them. I say, make them the butt of your jokes... take the media light away from them. They are not going away until they either die or leave the church.
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Do some of the dumbest people you speak of have law degrees?
Eleven of Fred Phelps' 13 children have law degrees..."They have a very well-respected law firm in Topeka," Sherman says. "People in town said, 'Well, we don't like them, but if we want to win a case, we'll go to them.' "
...The protests are in themselves a source of some income, according to Potok. Over the years the Phelpses have filed lawsuits against communities that try to stop them from demonstrating.
"And as a general matter they have won," he says. "They know their First Amendment rights very well, and they've been very good at defending them."
When they win, they often receive tens of thousands of dollars in court fees. And their winning streak is likely to continue, now that the Supreme Court has decided that Westboro's right to free speech trumps the right of families to bury their loved ones undisturbed.
I'm not sure why "assuming" anything about this family, in which many do, is any justification of anything.
Many well thought of people insist Emotional Intelligence trumps an IQ (say nothing of Moral Intelligence).
The Westboro Baptist Church people appear to dramatically fail in each of the four pillars of EQ: Self-awareness (how their actions impact others) Self-management (preventing yourself from doing things that produce negative results) Social awareness ('reading the room' or noting how others are responding to you) Relationship-management (being open and curious is a critical component of this pillar of EQ)
They might be able to read, write some papers and respond correctly to questions asked of them on tests, but this doesn't mean they are 'smart' in the manner I have come to understand.
Agreed with Binfrog here. You know what we were talking about… The word "appear" is the same as assumption. Do we really know exactly everything about this family other than their father's hate? Not really. But assuming we know, is just that. A guess.
as·sump·tion [uh-suhmp-shuhn] noun 1. something taken for granted; a supposition: a correct assumption. Synonyms: presupposition; hypothesis, conjecture, guess, postulate, theory. 2. the act of taking for granted or supposing. Synonyms: presumption; presupposition. 3. the act of taking to or upon oneself. Synonyms: acceptance, shouldering. 4. the act of taking possession of something: the assumption of power. Synonyms: seizure, appropriation, usurpation, arrogation. 5. arrogance; presumption. Synonyms: presumptuousness; effrontery, forwardness, gall.
I'm not sure why you have cut and pasted the definition of 'assumption' here? I used the word 'appear' because, as you have said, I cannot definitively state one way or another whether these people do have a level of intelligence worthy of any respect or not.
Your post works both ways- so just as you throw it at me for food for thought... think of it yourself while you positively assert how smart these folks are.
I never stated they were smart other than posting quoted material from the NPR article. I am against assuming anything about anything. You are assuming that their social intelligence is poor. I never said you were wrong, but I did say that it's wrong to assume that we know it all, simply from assumption and not having facts.
And you're right. Arguing about this is fruitless.
Do some of the dumbest people you speak of have law degrees?
Eleven of Fred Phelps' 13 children have law degrees..."They have a very well-respected law firm in Topeka," Sherman says. "People in town said, 'Well, we don't like them, but if we want to win a case, we'll go to them.' "
...The protests are in themselves a source of some income, according to Potok. Over the years the Phelpses have filed lawsuits against communities that try to stop them from demonstrating.
"And as a general matter they have won," he says. "They know their First Amendment rights very well, and they've been very good at defending them."
When they win, they often receive tens of thousands of dollars in court fees. And their winning streak is likely to continue, now that the Supreme Court has decided that Westboro's right to free speech trumps the right of families to bury their loved ones undisturbed.
I'm not sure why "assuming" anything about this family, in which many do, is any justification of anything.
Many well thought of people insist Emotional Intelligence trumps an IQ (say nothing of Moral Intelligence).
The Westboro Baptist Church people appear to dramatically fail in each of the four pillars of EQ: Self-awareness (how their actions impact others) Self-management (preventing yourself from doing things that produce negative results) Social awareness ('reading the room' or noting how others are responding to you) Relationship-management (being open and curious is a critical component of this pillar of EQ)
They might be able to read, write some papers and respond correctly to questions asked of them on tests, but this doesn't mean they are 'smart' in the manner I have come to understand.
Agreed with Binfrog here. You know what we were talking about… The word "appear" is the same as assumption. Do we really know exactly everything about this family other than their father's hate? Not really. But assuming we know, is just that. A guess.
as·sump·tion [uh-suhmp-shuhn] noun 1. something taken for granted; a supposition: a correct assumption. Synonyms: presupposition; hypothesis, conjecture, guess, postulate, theory. 2. the act of taking for granted or supposing. Synonyms: presumption; presupposition. 3. the act of taking to or upon oneself. Synonyms: acceptance, shouldering. 4. the act of taking possession of something: the assumption of power. Synonyms: seizure, appropriation, usurpation, arrogation. 5. arrogance; presumption. Synonyms: presumptuousness; effrontery, forwardness, gall.
I'm not sure why you have cut and pasted the definition of 'assumption' here? I used the word 'appear' because, as you have said, I cannot definitively state one way or another whether these people do have a level of intelligence worthy of any respect or not.
Your post works both ways- so just as you throw it at me for food for thought... think of it yourself while you positively assert how smart these folks are.
I never stated they were smart other than posting quoted material from the NPR article. I am against assuming anything about anything. You are assuming that their social intelligence is poor. I never said you were wrong, but I did say that it's wrong to assume that we know it all, simply from assumption and not having facts.
And you're right. Arguing about this is fruitless.
It's all good.
As I said before, these people are comedy to me. They are truly not worth much effort at all outside of some laughter and disbelief.
I might feel less amused by their ridiculous antics and more of something else if I was gay or if my brother was being buried beyond their picket signs though.
I was shootin the shit with my Orthopod brotherfromanothermother one day and I said I wasn't so worried about China, I've always felt they would collapse under their own oppression and corruption. In jumps the Anesthesiologist who only heard that I wasn't worried about China, saying yeah, China is doomed...Any country that performs abortions and has a mobile execution squad won't be among the Blessed of Nations... And we said SAY WHAT NOW? And he repeated exactly what he had said and it wasn't a joke. I said, I was kinda talkin about socioeconomics and governance but...whatever... And that was the end of it, except we talked shit about him when we were alone after that lol the lesson: smart people is dumb and dumb people is smart but religious people...ARE CRAZY
I heard an old interview with Phelps on Howard Stern. It was in regard to how Frank Sinatra's funeral needed to be protested because he was a whore monger and loved "fa**ots". I was reminded how ridiculous the man was...He deserves no respect, and his organization deserves to be held up in front of the american people and ostracized.
The guy has damaged our society and deserves no compassion and neither do his followers in a time of grief. Ignoring them is a good thing to do on a daily basis, but in this instance, this singular moment he, and by proxy, their ridiculous organization need to be held up again and further ostracized.
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It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
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I heard an old interview with Phelps on Howard Stern. It was in regard to how Frank Sinatra's funeral needed to be protested because he was a whore monger and loved "fa**ots". I was reminded how ridiculous the man was...He deserves no respect, and his organization deserves to be held up in front of the american people and ostracized.
The guy has damaged our society and deserves no compassion and neither do his followers in a time of grief. Ignoring them is a good thing to do on a daily basis, but in this instance, this singular moment he, and by proxy, their ridiculous organization need to be held up again and further ostracized.
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Many well thought of people insist Emotional Intelligence trumps an IQ (say nothing of Moral Intelligence).
The Westboro Baptist Church people appear to dramatically fail in each of the four pillars of EQ:
Self-awareness (how their actions impact others)
Self-management (preventing yourself from doing things that produce negative results)
Social awareness ('reading the room' or noting how others are responding to you)
Relationship-management (being open and curious is a critical component of this pillar of EQ)
They might be able to read, write some papers and respond correctly to questions asked of them on tests, but this doesn't mean they are 'smart' in the manner I have come to understand.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
The Westboro Baptist Church people appear to dramatically fail in each of the four pillars of EQ:
Self-awareness (how their actions impact others)
Self-management (preventing yourself from doing things that produce negative results)
Social awareness ('reading the room' or noting how others are responding to you)
Relationship-management (being open and curious is a critical component of this pillar of EQ)
They might be able to read, write some papers and respond correctly to questions asked of them on tests, but this doesn't mean they are 'smart' in the manner I have come to understand.
Agreed with Binfrog here. You know what we were talking about…
The word "appear" is the same as assumption. Do we really know exactly everything about this family other than their father's hate? Not really. But assuming we know, is just that. A guess.
as·sump·tion [uh-suhmp-shuhn]
noun
1.
something taken for granted; a supposition: a correct assumption. Synonyms: presupposition; hypothesis, conjecture, guess, postulate, theory.
2.
the act of taking for granted or supposing. Synonyms: presumption; presupposition.
3.
the act of taking to or upon oneself. Synonyms: acceptance, shouldering.
4.
the act of taking possession of something: the assumption of power. Synonyms: seizure, appropriation, usurpation, arrogation.
5.
arrogance; presumption. Synonyms: presumptuousness; effrontery, forwardness, gall.
You can think they're smart all you want. I disagree with you and I've offered an explained why.
The word "appear" is the same as assumption. Do we really know exactly everything about this family other than their father's hate? Not really. But assuming we know, is just that. A guess.
as·sump·tion [uh-suhmp-shuhn]
noun
1.
something taken for granted; a supposition: a correct assumption. Synonyms: presupposition; hypothesis, conjecture, guess, postulate, theory.
2.
the act of taking for granted or supposing. Synonyms: presumption; presupposition.
3.
the act of taking to or upon oneself. Synonyms: acceptance, shouldering.
4.
the act of taking possession of something: the assumption of power. Synonyms: seizure, appropriation, usurpation, arrogation.
5.
arrogance; presumption. Synonyms: presumptuousness; effrontery, forwardness, gall.
I'm not sure why you have cut and pasted the definition of 'assumption' here? I used the word 'appear' because, as you have said, I cannot definitively state one way or another whether these people do have a level of intelligence worthy of any respect or not.
Your post works both ways- so just as you throw it at me for food for thought... think of it yourself while you positively assert how smart these folks are.
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Their 'high' IQs would assist them with reading the sign, but in order to understand the significance of it, they would need even the remotest measures of social intelligence- to which I say... they have none.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Bin... we can keep going on here if you wish, but I seriously couldn't give a shit. These people are truly comedy to me and if you want to think they are wise then feel free. I'm not there with you, but I don't think any less of you and the opinion you hold at the same time. You have explained your reasoning for thinking the way you do very clearly and I get it. I hope I have explained where I am at in a similar manner so that you can understand how I see things.
We do agree that 'Chemistry' is ill-used by Rush. This, my friend, is infinitely more important than whether or not these clowns are smart or dumb.
And yes, I agree with you...these shitheads are not worth the time. Rush is worth much, much, much more. In fact, they are my "other" PJ.
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I'm glad we can put this one to rest.
Peace.
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Remember when they protested Mathew Sheppard's funeral? They saw the media attention it got them. They stared protesting at funerals of gay people, specifically celebrities. America didn't care because America really didn't care much about the Gays.
The Westboro Church saw that and wanted to get more media attention. They went after something that Americans DID care about... soldiers. That got them attention.
Their tactics are to stay within the legal limits. Remain on public property, do not obstruct traffic... all the things we all can do as protected rights. They WANT someone to punch them so they can file assault charges against them.
...
That is why I say use their tactics against them. You have the SAME rights to that public property and you can express your own opinions about them. You have the right to stand next to them with your own sign. If they shove you... you can file charges against them.
I say, make them the butt of your jokes... take the media light away from them. They are not going away until they either die or leave the church.
Hail, Hail!!!
Your post works both ways- so just as you throw it at me for food for thought... think of it yourself while you positively assert how smart these folks are.
I never stated they were smart other than posting quoted material from the NPR article. I am against assuming anything about anything. You are assuming that their social intelligence is poor. I never said you were wrong, but I did say that it's wrong to assume that we know it all, simply from assumption and not having facts.
And you're right. Arguing about this is fruitless.
And you're right. Arguing about this is fruitless.
It's all good.
As I said before, these people are comedy to me. They are truly not worth much effort at all outside of some laughter and disbelief.
I might feel less amused by their ridiculous antics and more of something else if I was gay or if my brother was being buried beyond their picket signs though.
And we said SAY WHAT NOW?
And he repeated exactly what he had said and it wasn't a joke. I said, I was kinda talkin about socioeconomics and governance but...whatever... And that was the end of it, except we talked shit about him when we were alone after that lol
the lesson: smart people is dumb and dumb people is smart but religious people...ARE CRAZY
Hmm, what's for lunch?
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
The guy has damaged our society and deserves no compassion and neither do his followers in a time of grief. Ignoring them is a good thing to do on a daily basis, but in this instance, this singular moment he, and by proxy, their ridiculous organization need to be held up again and further ostracized.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan