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unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
edited March 2014 in A Moving Train
By now everyone has seen some type of conspiracy theory related to tragic events. You have 9/11 Truthers, Waco, Ok City, Boston, Conn school shootings, Colorado movie shooting. Why is everything on the school shooting still classified? Look at all of the fishy things that happened at Boston. Some of this doesn't line up.

So, does anyone put much stock into claims that these tragic events are really created and carried out by the US government? Does anyone think that they would really do such things? Or do you think it absolutely insane for people to even begin thinking that way?
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    i think it is entirely within the realm of possibility, and even probability, that our government carries out "false flag" operations from time to time but conspiracy theories breed more theories and the whole deal leaves reality by the wayside pretty quickly.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    I doubt many of the conspiracy theories are valid but it wouldn't surprise me if some are true. I also have doubts about what we hear and read in the news. I tend to trust the scientific community more than the political realm- which is why I focus more on environmental issues- we at least have some empirical evidence about science and nature and our actions have some small chance of making a difference. I don't think the same is as true on the political level. I also think we are fortunate to be able to openly discuss pretty much anything we want to even though we are often are clueless as to the reality behind those subjects. But then maybe that's part of the game to- like searching for a corner in a circular room.
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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    Thanks Alex Jones.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Thanks for offering zero to the conversation.
  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    Irony.
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  • goingtoveronagoingtoverona Posts: 616
    well they say truth is stranger than fiction so anything is possible that's for sure.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    benghazi
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    at this point anything is possible.

    i am waiting for the false flag event to get us to get our war on with russia.
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  • buck502000buck502000 Posts: 8,951
    I think the Boston Marathon bombing was a drill to practice Marshall Law. But that's just me.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Binfrog ever heard of the Gulf of Tonkin and the Pentagon Papers? If not then dig your head out of the sand and if so, wait until someone gets Alex Jones crazy before your snide remarks.
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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    Oh, ok...makes sense.

    So someone posts about false flag attacks, without any links or anything (or you know, pesky things that are important on a message board like...oh...an original thought to which people can reply and add their own). And let me get this straight - there's a possibility that my government was possibly behind any or all of the following:

    9/11
    Newtown Massacre
    Colorado Move theater Shooting
    Oklahoma City
    The Boston Marathon Bombings
    Waco (a little more complicated of course)

    And have I heard of the Gulf of Tonkin and.or the Pentagon Papers? Absolutely. 2 incidents directly tied to, possibly, the desire to escalate the war in Vietnam and provoke the enemy. How do either of those compare to domestic acts of terror in which Americans were killed on American soil?

    But to tie those into the events above, if I may: my government, who can't keep the gulf of Tonkin, the Pentagon Papers, Watergate, Monica-gate and the NSA spy program from leaking, and still can't give a straight answer on weapons of mass destruction or Benghazi...THAT government...is behind any or all of the incidents listed above? And NOTHING has leaked at this point? And by nothing I mean nothing credible. So help me god if anyone says anything about Super-Thermite (or is it Super-DUPER-Thermite?)...

    So it's this government, that over the years has managed to fuck up just about everything, that is possibly behind several incidents of mass destruction and mayhem on our own soil...for the purpose of: practicing martial law? insurance fraud? as a pretense to go to war? as a means to pass the Patriot Act?

    Ok, just making sure we're on the same page here.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    the movie theater shooting was not a false flag.

    seriously, what the fuck are people thinking? the government will allow people to be killed to push an anti gun agenda so that people have to be disarmed and can not defend themselves against said government??

    if anybody really believes that i have a bridge and a park and a sidewalk i am selling.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    the newtown shooting was not a false flag either.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    the newtown shooting was not a false flag either.

    I'm glad you believe our government wasn't behind the killing of 20 innocent children on American soil as a means to pass gun control legislation.
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  • goingtoveronagoingtoverona Posts: 616
    uggh, please no war with Russia. i think I've had enough in my lifetime already.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    goingtoverona said:

    uggh, please no war with Russia. i think I've had enough in my lifetime already.

    i agree.

    cheney said obama was being weak because he wants to find a diplomatic solution.

    neocons would have had us in a new war last month.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    BinFrog said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    the newtown shooting was not a false flag either.

    I'm glad you believe our government wasn't behind the killing of 20 innocent children on American soil as a means to pass gun control legislation.
    do you believe that the government was behind it for that reason?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    BinFrog said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    the newtown shooting was not a false flag either.

    I'm glad you believe our government wasn't behind the killing of 20 innocent children on American soil as a means to pass gun control legislation.
    do you believe that the government was behind it for that reason?
    No, I am agreeing with you.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    the thing about all these things is that most people consider these things based on personal biases and that the fundamental process of critical thought no longer exists ... people want to vilify these theories because a) they don't want to believe it's possibly true and b) because they have been programmed to ... it's not to say that all these theories are true but simply - you can't go through the process objectively with people anymore ...

    9/11 is a great example ... so, many aspects of that incident does not corroborate the official story ... but it's nearly impossible to have objective discussions about it ...

  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    polaris_x said:

    it's not to say that all these theories are true but simply - you can't go through the process objectively with people anymore ...

    The problem for me is that the "truthers" in all of these cases just come across as complete nutjobs. Take 9/11 for example. I won't deny there's some fishy stuff going on behind the scenes, and there's a lot more to the story than what we've been told in the "official" narrative. But the stuff that some of these really, really out there conspiracy theorists have come up with...it's just near impossible to take any of it seriously.

    Did you ever see that TV a few years ago where they pitted truthers against scientists/experts? Essentially the truthers laid out all of their theories, and one by one they were all essentially proven wrong...but the truthers wouldn't budge on ANY of it. They were so god damn arrogant and they just desperately want their fringe theories to be right...and they wouldn't listen to reason.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BinFrog said:

    Oh, ok...makes sense.

    So someone posts about false flag attacks, without any links or anything (or you know, pesky things that are important on a message board like...oh...an original thought to which people can reply and add their own). And let me get this straight - there's a possibility that my government was possibly behind any or all of the following:

    9/11
    Newtown Massacre
    Colorado Move theater Shooting
    Oklahoma City
    The Boston Marathon Bombings
    Waco (a little more complicated of course)

    And have I heard of the Gulf of Tonkin and.or the Pentagon Papers? Absolutely. 2 incidents directly tied to, possibly, the desire to escalate the war in Vietnam and provoke the enemy. How do either of those compare to domestic acts of terror in which Americans were killed on American soil?

    But to tie those into the events above, if I may: my government, who can't keep the gulf of Tonkin, the Pentagon Papers, Watergate, Monica-gate and the NSA spy program from leaking, and still can't give a straight answer on weapons of mass destruction or Benghazi...THAT government...is behind any or all of the incidents listed above? And NOTHING has leaked at this point? And by nothing I mean nothing credible. So help me god if anyone says anything about Super-Thermite (or is it Super-DUPER-Thermite?)...

    So it's this government, that over the years has managed to fuck up just about everything, that is possibly behind several incidents of mass destruction and mayhem on our own soil...for the purpose of: practicing martial law? insurance fraud? as a pretense to go to war? as a means to pass the Patriot Act?

    Ok, just making sure we're on the same page here.

    he asked if anyone puts stock in false flag theories and gave some examples of what people theorize. You threw out an insult. Saying no would have sufficed.
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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    rgambs said:

    he asked if anyone puts stock in false flag theories and gave some examples of what people theorize. You threw out an insult. Saying no would have sufficed.

    Sorry, but when someone says "false flag" these days, 90% of the time it's the calling card of an Alex Jones worshiper.
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    Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    (and if what i said was an insult, you need thicker skin)
    Bright eyed kid: "Wow Typo Man, you're the best!"
    Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    BinFrog said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's not to say that all these theories are true but simply - you can't go through the process objectively with people anymore ...

    The problem for me is that the "truthers" in all of these cases just come across as complete nutjobs. Take 9/11 for example. I won't deny there's some fishy stuff going on behind the scenes, and there's a lot more to the story than what we've been told in the "official" narrative. But the stuff that some of these really, really out there conspiracy theorists have come up with...it's just near impossible to take any of it seriously.

    Did you ever see that TV a few years ago where they pitted truthers against scientists/experts? Essentially the truthers laid out all of their theories, and one by one they were all essentially proven wrong...but the truthers wouldn't budge on ANY of it. They were so god damn arrogant and they just desperately want their fringe theories to be right...and they wouldn't listen to reason.
    but to my point ... this works both ways ... consider the case of the WM3 ... originally - all those that thought they were innocent were given the same attitude ... why is not possible for us to objectively go through the information and come to our own conclusions without the preconceived notions of belief?

    it's also like this missing plane ... i think it's stolen ... not because I want to believe in the theory but simply because of the information presented to me ... if it turns out to have indeed crashed - then i can accept that too ...
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    jesse ventura is my hero
    he's all over the gulf of tonkin .... well, & other things

    did you all know jim morrison's dad was a naval officer big shot who was in charge of a ship in the beginning of the vietnam war
    prehaps he was on the ship they say was fired on?
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    http://youtu.be/HODxnUrFX6k
    gulf of tonkin
    http://youtu.be/K2Wl2M4yLkY
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    The problem I see with many of these "false flag" claims is that they give the government and the intelligence community more credit than they deserve. The point has been made here often that if the government was capable of all these things it is accused of, from Kennedy to 9/11, then you would think they would be capable of "finding" WMD's in Iraq. That didn't happen and it forever altered my view on conspiracies. I am not saying that they cannot happen or that they have not happened in the past. It is just that you have people screaming conspiracy as events are unfolding and with little reason to do so...other than that is how they make their money. That is why I condemn Alex Jones.
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    http://youtu.be/QepNfdGRjrE
    cia operation phoenix

    don't forget (not mentioned here in this exact video) the cia & us military worked together & intercepted heroin smugglers, murdered them & took their heroin. scary, tricky stuff. these dudes running the show are beyond crafty. you have no idea how intricate, deceitful, evasive, deceptive & shifty these cats are. they will use up guys & those guys will barelly have a clue what or who they are operating under. it is like a quagmire of mazes turned upside down & inside out & toss up in the air after being shredded to pieces
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    BinFrog said:

    Oh, ok...makes sense.

    So someone posts about false flag attacks, without any links or anything (or you know, pesky things that are important on a message board like...oh...an original thought to which people can reply and add their own). And let me get this straight - there's a possibility that my government was possibly behind any or all of the following:

    9/11
    Newtown Massacre
    Colorado Move theater Shooting
    Oklahoma City
    The Boston Marathon Bombings
    Waco (a little more complicated of course)

    And have I heard of the Gulf of Tonkin and.or the Pentagon Papers? Absolutely. 2 incidents directly tied to, possibly, the desire to escalate the war in Vietnam and provoke the enemy. How do either of those compare to domestic acts of terror in which Americans were killed on American soil?

    But to tie those into the events above, if I may: my government, who can't keep the gulf of Tonkin, the Pentagon Papers, Watergate, Monica-gate and the NSA spy program from leaking, and still can't give a straight answer on weapons of mass destruction or Benghazi...THAT government...is behind any or all of the incidents listed above? And NOTHING has leaked at this point? And by nothing I mean nothing credible. So help me god if anyone says anything about Super-Thermite (or is it Super-DUPER-Thermite?)...

    So it's this government, that over the years has managed to fuck up just about everything, that is possibly behind several incidents of mass destruction and mayhem on our own soil...for the purpose of: practicing martial law? insurance fraud? as a pretense to go to war? as a means to pass the Patriot Act?

    Ok, just making sure we're on the same page here.

    Yup

  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Govt couldn't possibly be irresponsible enough to direct anything evil against the people, right? That could never happen.


    http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

    In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

    Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

    The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.
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