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Low crowd noise on boots reduces the enjoyment!

heyjoseheyjose Melbourne, Australia Posts: 503
edited February 2014 in Given To Fly (live)
I might be in the minority, but I actually prefer to hear the crowd properly on a boot. That's why I sometimes prefer the 2006 boots. I realise the tradeoff might be a slight reduction in band sound quality, but it would be nice to get a better indication of what the atmosphere was like at the gig.

Hope it's different for the BDO boots.
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,739
    I agree completely!!
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,499
    I agree too..thats a two part relasionship..
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  • johnmc1976johnmc1976 Florida Posts: 315
    so with that in mind, what is the best boot released to date from Lightning Bolt tour?
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  • dtr0624dtr0624 south jersey Posts: 611
    I agree fully. I was at c-ville show and it was insane. Louder then both philly nights. Then got the boot amd it was turned down alot. Crowd noise should be left alone.
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  • Indifference71Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,876
    Completely agree. Love to hear the energy of the crowd on the boots, but they always turn the crowd way down.
  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,903
    I would like if they took 1 or 2 shows a tour that were really great and do an alternate mix where the crowd was really loud and not turned down. Of course, this is also why listening to audience recordings is still fun too.
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  • ldent42ldent42 NYC Posts: 7,859
    +1. Listening to the Hartford boot after being there is weird. Like in the actual stadium the crowd was so loud I could barely hear some of the shit Ed said about it... I completely missed the 'South America' comment and only just barely caught the 'this is not normal' one. But the crowd on the boot is nowhere near loud enough to really justify those comments lol so it's a little weird.
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  • heyjoseheyjose Melbourne, Australia Posts: 503
    Real shame. You wanna get those chills from hearing the crowd at the show you were at.. I think we're getting a little ripped off in that sense. Seems like the crowd isn't being mic'd as they were for the 2006 tour.

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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,739
    2010 boots had great crowd noise
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,116
    edited February 2014
    I agree. The way the official boots are from last tour, I'd actually rather listen to the audience boots!
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  • PernillePernille Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 114
    I totally agree! Hearing the crowd is almost 50% of the listening experience. Gives me chills!
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  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,532
    nicknyr15 said:

    2010 boots had great crowd noise

    Especially MSG 2
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  • Treyert14Treyert14 Louisiana Posts: 924
    Well I guess it depends. I know there's nothing more irritating then hearing a bunch of fans screaming in your earbuds in between tracks. But obviously you want to hear the sing along parts. So I think that there is a time for the crowd to be heard and a time for them not to be.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,092
    heyjose said:

    I might be in the minority, but I actually prefer to hear the crowd properly on a boot. That's why I sometimes prefer the 2006 boots. I realise the tradeoff might be a slight reduction in band sound quality, but it would be nice to get a better indication of what the atmosphere was like at the gig.

    Hope it's different for the BDO boots.

    The singalong in Indifference at the East Rutherford show in 2006 is one of my favorites.
  • YLed2YLed2 Posts: 5,534
    Absolutely agreed. I love to "feel" the crowd on a boot, and it definitely adds another factor to the boot. The quality and mixng from the 2013, 2012, and 2011 tours really have been superior and they've done an excellent job with the overall quality and mixing of the music. But they have mixed down the crowds considerably, which is somewhat disappointing.
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  • TroubledSoulTroubledSoul Posts: 1,367
    first time this hit me was the severe lack of crowd on bonnaroo.

    boots need more crowd effects!
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,729
    As crazy as it sounds I think the ba boot from 2011 has too much crowd noise. Msg 2010 is perfect
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  • cutzcutz Posts: 11,983
    Can, the people who want crowd noise, just get an audience recording?
  • RD54807RD54807 Richmond, VA Posts: 14
    to me buying a LIVE recording means hearing it all, like I was there.
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  • mattsl1983mattsl1983 Posts: 711
    Out of the 5 shows I went to, the OKC boot seems to suffer the worst with the crowd reduction. It's a true bummer. You can barely even hear the crowd doing the "oooohhh ohhhh oh, ohhhh oh" part on Evolution. And being there the place was rocking. I've always loved a good mix of the band and crowd. This tour they have definitely lost some magic on the boots.
  • i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    It Adds to the Show ;)
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,739
    cutz said:

    Can, the people who want crowd noise, just get an audience recording?

    No
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,116
    edited March 2014
    cutz said:

    Can, the people who want crowd noise, just get an audience recording?

    We could, but the sound quality of the music isn't as good, and the crowd noise is there on aud boots, but so are the conversations and singing of the people right near the recording device. That can be kind of funny the first time you listen, but you don't want it on your mp3 players, lol. We want the best of both worlds! High quality sound plus the crowd noise! ;)
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I just listened to the charlotte boot. you can barely hear the crowd. I know we were louder than that. That building was huge. I think that made it difficult for eddie to hear the crowd. As a result, no sing a long during betterman. Ed did the entire first verse. We even sounded weak during the tag. But the crowd was into it.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    edited March 2014
    damn double post
    Post edited by Last-12-Exit on
  • karmadefectkarmadefect Posts: 806
    The crowd should be noticable on the bootleg.
    It is an important element of the night.
    And it makes a bootleg stand out.
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  • ceskaceska New York Posts: 1,129
    Yup - Worcester 1 the crowd cheers in the middle of a random part of Long Road but only because the arena camera zoomed in on Ed's Boston Strong patch. Don't hear that on the official boot at all, but it was one of those "moments."
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,116
    edited March 2014
    Yeah, listened to the Vancouver boot today, and it actually sounds stupid in some parts. Like when Eddie talks about how well the crowd is singing, and you can't hear anything, lol. And during Betterman when he fucks the song up and says it was because he was listening to the crowd sing, but you can't hear shit. And during Daughter he stops and just lets the audience sing, and it's just dead time. You can't hear them, even though the crowd was busting it out. The frustrating part is that you CAN hear the crowd during the It's Okay tag, which means that it was a conscious choice to leave out the crowd noise for the rest of the boot, and then to turn it up during It's Okay (because they kind of had to). Lame. I think I'm going to stick to the audience boot!
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  • MudfestMudfest Posts: 1,025
    I listened to the Calgary show and it sounds WAY over produced. WTF ?

    Betterman sounds like it was recorded in a studio with 3 people singing.
    It actually sounds almost Comical .
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  • karmadefectkarmadefect Posts: 806
    Where can I listen to the show?
    Was it different from boots from other boots this tour?
    It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me.

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