i remember all of the outrage when reagan, bush 1 and bush 2 tried to do anything at all with their administration.
wait, i don't because there was no fucking outrage....
why was none of this an issue when reagan and bush 1 and 2 president?
if it were one of those 3 i am sure there would have been no problem.
What are you talking about? The Bushes couldn't sneeze without there being outrage. There was more outrage for anything they did than any other President I can remember.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
i challenge any of you to deliver mail in chicago, detroit, oakland & so on. tell me you aint skeered. i'd be carrying something myself. two 9mm berettas, 357 magnum & a pistol grip riot action 12 guage. how about that?
See I view that as a problem in itself, it's just more authoritarian government under the guise of law enforcement. Couldn't one of the tens of other branches of law enforcement handle that? The USPS is so special that they demand their own???
Are you sure it's more authoritarian government? It's been around an awfully long time. It sounds like you're advocating for more centralized government by having other law enforcement agencies do what they do. Maybe it's better to have the usps deal specifically with mail related crimes.
That is the entire point of the postal inspection dept. I know many who work in the USPS. I don't know anything about this article (why would I?) but it has to do with mail related crimes and nothing more. It's not really new news. They've been doing it for a while, and mail workers are watched as well.
It's really getting pointless posting here anymore.
Well spit it out then, Unsung.
What are you hoping to hear from someone?
An honest argument why the mail service needs to be armed. Instead it's fucking jokes about Detroit. Liberal run into the ground Detroit I might add.
Are you suggesting that a PG-13 rating for a RoboCop movie isn't a serious issue? Have you not seen RoboCop 3? That's right, you haven't. No one has seen RoboCop 3. It was rated PG-13. And apparently he could fly for some reason.
That's why I like AMT. we get down to the brass tacts.
i challenge any of you to deliver mail in chicago, detroit, oakland & so on. tell me you aint skeered. i'd be carrying something myself. two 9mm berettas, 357 magnum & a pistol grip riot action 12 guage. how about that?
Sorry bud, I don't believe it. Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country, therefore gun crime doesn't exist there.
See I view that as a problem in itself, it's just more authoritarian government under the guise of law enforcement. Couldn't one of the tens of other branches of law enforcement handle that? The USPS is so special that they demand their own???
Are you sure it's more authoritarian government? It's been around an awfully long time. It sounds like you're advocating for more centralized government by having other law enforcement agencies do what they do. Maybe it's better to have the usps deal specifically with mail related crimes.
That is the entire point of the postal inspection dept. I know many who work in the USPS. I don't know anything about this article (why would I?) but it has to do with mail related crimes and nothing more. It's not really new news. They've been doing it for a while, and mail workers are watched as well.
My god. I live in fear of those postal office crimes. *snicker*
i remember all of the outrage when reagan, bush 1 and bush 2 tried to do anything at all with their administration.
wait, i don't because there was no fucking outrage....
why was none of this an issue when reagan and bush 1 and 2 president?
if it were one of those 3 i am sure there would have been no problem.
What are you talking about? The Bushes couldn't sneeze without there being outrage. There was more outrage for anything they did than any other President I can remember.
there was NO OUTRAGE but there was plenty of indignation and embarrassment. obama is an amateur at press control compared to those old fellas. they slipped the patriot act past us with almost zero dissent and now obama takes the heat when the NSA gets caught doing what isn't even illegal according to the PA. good theater is what it is
i remember all of the outrage when reagan, bush 1 and bush 2 tried to do anything at all with their administration.
wait, i don't because there was no fucking outrage....
why was none of this an issue when reagan and bush 1 and 2 president?
if it were one of those 3 i am sure there would have been no problem.
What are you talking about? The Bushes couldn't sneeze without there being outrage. There was more outrage for anything they did than any other President I can remember.
there was NO OUTRAGE but there was plenty of indignation and embarrassment. obama is an amateur at press control compared to those old fellas. they slipped the patriot act past us with almost zero dissent and now obama takes the heat when the NSA gets caught doing what isn't even illegal according to the PA. good theater is what it is
Obama did support the patriot act. Well, after first not supporting it.
Obama did support the patriot act. Well, after first not supporting it.
Good theatre indeed!
yes sir you hit it there, the old flip-flop. I think our presidential candidates will continue to become more "hateable" as the need for theatrics will never abate.
mitt romney vs barack obama?? if you wrote that in a story as fiction nobody would buy it. the country gets attacked by muslims creating an anti-muslim element, then the uber-rich get a bailout creating an anti-rich element and bam!! they were tailor made to divide the country and ratchet up the theatrics
next up: the "liberal" woman-warmonger vs. well, who knows, but it ought to be zany!
im not suggesting obama is a muslim, only that he would close enough for a person of prejudice. with his name and skin tone the birthers were inevitable, they couldn't be openly racist so they had to hide behind nationality as if it is different.
i remember all of the outrage when reagan, bush 1 and bush 2 tried to do anything at all with their administration.
wait, i don't because there was no fucking outrage....
why was none of this an issue when reagan and bush 1 and 2 president?
if it were one of those 3 i am sure there would have been no problem.
What are you talking about? The Bushes couldn't sneeze without there being outrage. There was more outrage for anything they did than any other President I can remember.
there was NO OUTRAGE but there was plenty of indignation and embarrassment. obama is an amateur at press control compared to those old fellas. they slipped the patriot act past us with almost zero dissent and now obama takes the heat when the NSA gets caught doing what isn't even illegal according to the PA. good theater is what it is
Hmmm, well I guess that whole anti-war left group never really existed.
i remember all of the outrage when reagan, bush 1 and bush 2 tried to do anything at all with their administration.
wait, i don't because there was no fucking outrage....
why was none of this an issue when reagan and bush 1 and 2 president?
if it were one of those 3 i am sure there would have been no problem.
What are you talking about? The Bushes couldn't sneeze without there being outrage. There was more outrage for anything they did than any other President I can remember.
there was NO OUTRAGE but there was plenty of indignation and embarrassment. obama is an amateur at press control compared to those old fellas.
Hmmm, well I guess that whole anti-war left group never really existed.
Outrage in the Bush years? The way I've/I viewed it is this, (For example) Thousand and thousands marched across the US, against the Iraq War, Was that considered 'outrage'? Maybe, or maybe it was the 'illusion' of 'outrage', 'outrage' meaning 'going beyond' (latin) with 'rage' (anger/fury), so a trigger creating an emotional response in the form of 'outrage'...
The emotional response of many during those years could be considered 'outrage', but at the same time, did we really go 'beyond'? No, we had thousands of people outside the White House, apparently to show how 'angry' we were at this great injustice, this war that we knew would kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people, killing our own soldiers, and at the end of the day after these protests, we went home, felt good about ourselves and then continued to support the same duopoly (Duopoly/democrats and republicans) based hegemony ( predominant influence exercised by one nation over others) which in turn leads us to a Plutocracy, 'plutos meaning wealth and cracy, or krutos 'dominion/rule'
If we really wanted to stop the war, if we really were 'outraged' enough to truly 'go beyond' we would've done 1 of 2 things, stormed the White House and demanded 'justice', or not continue to support the same fools that continue to get us into these very undesirable situations we often find our nations in.
But that takes, going beyond our comfort levels, change takes 'extremism', extremism of the mind and heart, and sometimes going to these extremes is just too much for a 'comfortable' society, a complacent...'society', which is what we live in, what we created by our own hands.
... If you REALLY want to know... you shouldn't be asking any of us because... and I admit, i don't speak for everyone here... but, my bet is that we (people on this Pearl Jam forum) really don't know shit about it. All we can do is speculate and draw pre-determined opinions that fit our political beliefs. But, any way you slice it... we don't know shit about it. ... You need to query the source: Primary Point of Contact: Karen Kirkpatrick, Purchasing and Supply Management Specialist karen.x.kirkpatrick@usps.gov Phone: 2148197103 Fax: 6519943407
Secondary Point of Contact: Dawone Hunter, Purchasing and Supply Management Specialist dawone.m.hunter@usps.gov Phone: 2148197115 Fax: 2148197125
You should use your real Last Name, First Name, M.I. so they don't just write you off as another Right Wing extremist hiding beneath the anonymous cover of the internet with some crazy conspiracy about an army of postal workers, home invading your pad to take your guns away while you're at work. You will not be taken seriously and you will only get a real answer if you are honest with your question, which is the basis of your identity.
Ask those people why they cut this purchase order. Is it just to spend the allocated annual budget, so next year's budget isn't cut by the amount left over? I know that accountant's like to pull that kind of shit... that was how our department got a large scale plotter that no one has ever used at the end of the fiscal year. They couldn't use the money to hire much needed help or give us a bonus for completing the same amount of work with less people. Those dollars are different 'pools'. But, seriously... and I'm being honest... I don't have a fucking clue. ... But, if you ask me... i would much rather have the Postal Service get those guns and ammo than some of those yahoos out in the high desert, stockpiling them in their 'compound', awaiting the Zombie Apocalypse or the Government take over of our minds. .. That's just me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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It's really getting pointless posting here anymore.
Well spit it out then, Unsung.
What are you hoping to hear from someone?
An honest argument why the mail service needs to be armed. Instead it's fucking jokes about Detroit. Liberal run into the ground Detroit I might add.
Are you suggesting that a PG-13 rating for a RoboCop movie isn't a serious issue? Have you not seen RoboCop 3? That's right, you haven't. No one has seen RoboCop 3. It was rated PG-13. And apparently he could fly for some reason.
That's why I like AMT. we get down to the brass tacts.
I don't ever recall the USPS "demanding" their own police force. A USPS with an Inspector General's function dating before the Constitution. And how is it, "more authoritarian government?" Because they buy ammo and firearms for a police force that's been in existence for hundreds of years? Please explain that logic. And did you follow up directly with an emailed question to the Inspector General's Office or their purchasing department? I'd be interested in their explanation and/or response or lack thereof. How about Rand's office? This seems right up his alley.
First it was the New World Order, then it was the jack booted ATF thugs. After that it was Black Helicopters and FEMA Camps. Then it was the UN and the Blue Helmets. Then it was Death Panels. Now its the USPS. 5, 10, 15, 20 years from now when you're still sitting at home with your guns, who are you going to accuse of coming to take them away?
Wake me up when the first letter carrier pops a cap in the first little old lady that opens her front door when the mail man is on the porch to hand them her bills.
It may seem odd for the USPS to be in the business of buying ammunition, but actually it has had armed officers for centuries. Chances are, this buy is for the US Postal Inspection Service. The USPIS employs about 1,600 special agents who investigate mail fraud and related crimes. Some of these investigating agents pack firearms, usually a Beretta semi-auto 9 mm pistol.
The USPIS is not new nor is its having armed agents new. The inspection service has been around since the days of Ben Franklin, who created the post of “surveyor” when he was postmaster general. Surveyor eventually evolved into the present-day special agent, which is a detective or investigator. Think of them as similar to arson investigators, who typically work for a fire department but carry firearms, investigate crimes, and have some police powers. USPS has periodically purchased guns and ammunition for longer than the United States has been a country.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
It may seem odd for the USPS to be in the business of buying ammunition, but actually it has had armed officers for centuries. Chances are, this buy is for the US Postal Inspection Service. The USPIS employs about 1,600 special agents who investigate mail fraud and related crimes. Some of these investigating agents pack firearms, usually a Beretta semi-auto 9 mm pistol.
The USPIS is not new nor is its having armed agents new. The inspection service has been around since the days of Ben Franklin, who created the post of “surveyor” when he was postmaster general. Surveyor eventually evolved into the present-day special agent, which is a detective or investigator. Think of them as similar to arson investigators, who typically work for a fire department but carry firearms, investigate crimes, and have some police powers. USPS has periodically purchased guns and ammunition for longer than the United States has been a country.
That is the entire point of the postal inspection dept. I know many who work in the USPS. I don't know anything about this article (why would I?) but it has to do with mail related crimes and nothing more. It's not really new news. They've been doing it for a while, and mail workers are watched as well.
Thanks for furthermore validity to what I said earlier... Which Unsung snickeringly laughed at... Which furthermore proves that people will continue to believe only what they want to.
hell yeah polaris, "gun control legislation" is something that is proposed during Dem. administrations to drive sales on guns and ammunition. do any of the gun nuts really think that the Obama Admin. can put through a massive healthcare overhaul (to massive disapproval ratings) but not manage a simple single weapon or magazine ban (with massive approval ratings)???? get real peeps
Does this mean I shouldnt berate my mail lady for continuously bending the vinyl I buy online? She would probably try to fit a sedan in my mailbox if given the task to deliver it.
remember when the vice president suggested we go out & buy shotguns for home security as they're easier to operate than some badass rifles
maybe the postal carriers should might have a shotgun slung over their shoulders it is not that terrible of an idea
look, nascar fans & the drivers drive fast, often drunk & even more often are inept mentally & physically yeah, the postal service should pack heat ants live underground
it is snowing it is 90 it is raining we need guns & our mail
puppies & kitties are fun old people may stink babies have shitty diapers & slingshots are neat
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...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
That's why I like AMT. we get down to the brass tacts.
Good theatre indeed!
Obama did support the patriot act. Well, after first not supporting it.
Good theatre indeed!
yes sir you hit it there, the old flip-flop. I think our presidential candidates will continue to become more "hateable" as the need for theatrics will never abate.
mitt romney vs barack obama?? if you wrote that in a story as fiction nobody would buy it.
the country gets attacked by muslims creating an anti-muslim element, then the uber-rich get a bailout creating an anti-rich element and bam!! they were tailor made to divide the country and ratchet up the theatrics
next up: the "liberal" woman-warmonger vs. well, who knows, but it ought to be zany!
The emotional response of many during those years could be considered 'outrage', but at the same time, did we really go 'beyond'? No, we had thousands of people outside the White House, apparently to show how 'angry' we were at this great injustice, this war that we knew would kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people, killing our own soldiers, and at the end of the day after these protests, we went home, felt good about ourselves and then continued to support the same duopoly (Duopoly/democrats and republicans) based hegemony ( predominant influence exercised by one nation over others) which in turn leads us to a Plutocracy, 'plutos meaning wealth and cracy, or krutos 'dominion/rule'
If we really wanted to stop the war, if we really were 'outraged' enough to truly 'go beyond' we would've done 1 of 2 things, stormed the White House and demanded 'justice', or not continue to support the same fools that continue to get us into these very undesirable situations we often find our nations in.
But that takes, going beyond our comfort levels, change takes 'extremism', extremism of the mind and heart, and sometimes going to these extremes is just too much for a 'comfortable' society, a complacent...'society', which is what we live in, what we created by our own hands.
which they failed, miserably.
If you REALLY want to know... you shouldn't be asking any of us because... and I admit, i don't speak for everyone here... but, my bet is that we (people on this Pearl Jam forum) really don't know shit about it. All we can do is speculate and draw pre-determined opinions that fit our political beliefs. But, any way you slice it... we don't know shit about it.
...
You need to query the source:
Primary Point of Contact:
Karen Kirkpatrick,
Purchasing and Supply Management Specialist
karen.x.kirkpatrick@usps.gov
Phone: 2148197103
Fax: 6519943407
Secondary Point of Contact:
Dawone Hunter,
Purchasing and Supply Management Specialist
dawone.m.hunter@usps.gov
Phone: 2148197115
Fax: 2148197125
You should use your real Last Name, First Name, M.I. so they don't just write you off as another Right Wing extremist hiding beneath the anonymous cover of the internet with some crazy conspiracy about an army of postal workers, home invading your pad to take your guns away while you're at work. You will not be taken seriously and you will only get a real answer if you are honest with your question, which is the basis of your identity.
Ask those people why they cut this purchase order. Is it just to spend the allocated annual budget, so next year's budget isn't cut by the amount left over? I know that accountant's like to pull that kind of shit... that was how our department got a large scale plotter that no one has ever used at the end of the fiscal year. They couldn't use the money to hire much needed help or give us a bonus for completing the same amount of work with less people. Those dollars are different 'pools'.
But, seriously... and I'm being honest... I don't have a fucking clue.
...
But, if you ask me... i would much rather have the Postal Service get those guns and ammo than some of those yahoos out in the high desert, stockpiling them in their 'compound', awaiting the Zombie Apocalypse or the Government take over of our minds.
..
That's just me.
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Hail, Hail!!!
First it was the New World Order, then it was the jack booted ATF thugs. After that it was Black Helicopters and FEMA Camps. Then it was the UN and the Blue Helmets. Then it was Death Panels. Now its the USPS. 5, 10, 15, 20 years from now when you're still sitting at home with your guns, who are you going to accuse of coming to take them away?
Wake me up when the first letter carrier pops a cap in the first little old lady that opens her front door when the mail man is on the porch to hand them her bills.
Peace.
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http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/02/06/why-is-the-u-s-postal-service-buying-ammunition/
It may seem odd for the USPS to be in the business of buying ammunition, but actually it has had armed officers for centuries. Chances are, this buy is for the US Postal Inspection Service. The USPIS employs about 1,600 special agents who investigate mail fraud and related crimes. Some of these investigating agents pack firearms, usually a Beretta semi-auto 9 mm pistol.
The USPIS is not new nor is its having armed agents new. The inspection service has been around since the days of Ben Franklin, who created the post of “surveyor” when he was postmaster general. Surveyor eventually evolved into the present-day special agent, which is a detective or investigator. Think of them as similar to arson investigators, who typically work for a fire department but carry firearms, investigate crimes, and have some police powers. USPS has periodically purchased guns and ammunition for longer than the United States has been a country.
I love how almost every other site that is "talking" about this is a nutjob site: Alex Jones, etc.
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get real peeps
maybe the postal carriers should might have a shotgun slung over their shoulders
it is not that terrible of an idea
look, nascar fans & the drivers drive fast, often drunk & even more often are inept mentally & physically
yeah, the postal service should pack heat
ants live underground
it is snowing
it is 90
it is raining
we need guns & our mail
puppies & kitties are fun
old people may stink
babies have shitty diapers
& slingshots are neat
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce