Outline for Salvaging Civilization

brianlux

riotgrl said:

unsung said:

What is the moral and just way to reduce population?

Easiest, most moral AND proven way to decrease population is through elevating the status of women. By educating and economically empowering women, we can ensure that women are able to control their own bodies and therefore their own course in life. Theocracies in some parts of the world are an impediment to this idea but I really like the idea of lending to women through organizations like Kiva where the money goes directly to the woman to fund her business. I also think that we have to eliminate suburbia. We have destroyed some of our best farmland in this country and we need our farmers!

Thanks for posting about Kiva, riotgrl. I wasn't familiar with them but a quick look at their web site has me intrigued. I'll check it some more. Thanks!

chadwick

exponential growth has us near a global crash as my former math professor showed us on the white board when learning exponential growth & decay. we are within 10-20 yrs of going over the deep end if the human race keeps on keeping on like we currently are. we have never been this close to this disaster as we are nearing the tip top of the roller coaster.

our growth has climbed exponentially like a rocketship blasting straight upwards to the moon. that is not healthy & it is deadly.

brianlux

chadwick said:

exponential growth has us near a global crash as my former math professor showed us on the white board when learning exponential growth & decay. we are within 10-20 yrs of going over the deep end if the human race keeps on keeping on like we currently are. we have never been this close to this disaster as we are nearing the tip top of the roller coaster.

our growth has climbed exponentially like a rocketship blasting straight upwards to the moon. that is not healthy & it is deadly.

Exactly, Chadwick. In my biology classes we learned about carrying capacity and there was a lot of talk then about how humans were dangerously pushing themselves to the top of that scale. That was in the late 70's when the population was about 4.3 billion. We are now at 7.2 billion. We use what the earth has to offer for this many people about 2/3 of the way through each year and our numbers keep going up. Not good math.

chadwick

in years past a single man or woman were look down upon as some kind of weirdo freak show for not having a spouse & a pile of kids. today that is changing as more & more folks are staying kid/family free.

although sweden, norway, iceland or greenland one of them countries are encouraging folks to have families & if i am correct they are paying ppl to do so & they may even be paying folks to move in. this is something to look up i guess.

riotgrl

brianlux said:

chadwick said:

exponential growth has us near a global crash as my former math professor showed us on the white board when learning exponential growth & decay. we are within 10-20 yrs of going over the deep end if the human race keeps on keeping on like we currently are. we have never been this close to this disaster as we are nearing the tip top of the roller coaster.

our growth has climbed exponentially like a rocketship blasting straight upwards to the moon. that is not healthy & it is deadly.

Exactly, Chadwick. In my biology classes we learned about carrying capacity and there was a lot of talk then about how humans were dangerously pushing themselves to the top of that scale. That was in the late 70's when the population was about 4.3 billion. We are now at 7.2 billion. We use what the earth has to offer for this many people about 2/3 of the way through each year and our numbers keep going up. Not good math.

Although, to play devil's advocate for a moment, if you view carrying capacity on a global scale we are exceeding our abilities to care for each other. But if you break it down by region, we can see that Asia is the number one problem. In fact, many European nations are trying to increase their population by offering incentives for the number of children born to a woman that exceeds 1 child.

brianlux

riotgrl said:

brianlux said:

chadwick said:

exponential growth has us near a global crash as my former math professor showed us on the white board when learning exponential growth & decay. we are within 10-20 yrs of going over the deep end if the human race keeps on keeping on like we currently are. we have never been this close to this disaster as we are nearing the tip top of the roller coaster.

our growth has climbed exponentially like a rocketship blasting straight upwards to the moon. that is not healthy & it is deadly.

Exactly, Chadwick. In my biology classes we learned about carrying capacity and there was a lot of talk then about how humans were dangerously pushing themselves to the top of that scale. That was in the late 70's when the population was about 4.3 billion. We are now at 7.2 billion. We use what the earth has to offer for this many people about 2/3 of the way through each year and our numbers keep going up. Not good math.

Although, to play devil's advocate for a moment, if you view carrying capacity on a global scale we are exceeding our abilities to care for each other. But if you break it down by region, we can see that Asia is the number one problem. In fact, many European nations are trying to increase their population by offering incentives for the number of children born to a woman that exceeds 1 child.

Good point. Maybe one solution would be to adopt unwanted kids from those countries (hard to believe someone would give birth to an "unwanted kid", isn't it?) instead of having more.