Four-year-old boy shot dead by four-year-old cousin on Detroit west side

Cosmo

goingtoverona said:

I thought cars killed more people than guns, but luckily since they weren't meant to kill I don't give a shit about the people that are killed, that's just life, right guys?

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You are correct... more Americans are killed in auto accidents, than by firearms... if you look only at total fatalities numbers.
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To get those numbers to equate, you need expand the equations on both sides to get a clearer picture and to reach a truthful result.
For example, you need to ask questions such as, are there more cars in America than guns? How often do American car owners operate their cars? How often do American gun owners fire their weapons?
As a gun owner yourself, you can answer these questions... how often do you drive your car? Meaning how many times to you drive your car per day?
How many hours do you operate your car per day? Average that out to a month.
How many other drivers do you encounter while driving... including those drivers that are crossing your path and coming the other direction?
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How often do you fire your gun? meaning, how many times do you go shooting per day?
How many hours per day do you use your weapon? Average that out to a month.
How many other gun owners do you encounter while firing your weapon... including those shooters who are firing is a cross direction and facing your direction?
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My guess is that you probably drive your car a lot more than you fire your weapon, right? I would also guess that most American gun owners do the same.
Now, do you believe those total numbers would change if you used your firearms as often as your car and in similar conditions as driving? The same hold true in the adverse... the numbers would change if you drove your car the same amount of time you used your firearms and in those same controlled conditions.
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Of course, the total number of fatalities would change. At a firing range, everyone points in the same direction, right? That does not hold true on the streets and highways. And the number of different people you encounter when at the firing range is far less than the number of drivers you share the road with on your daily commute, right? Would the gun death rate increase if every one of those drivers were shooting guns while you are driving to work? Would the number of car fatalities decrease if people only used their cars in controlled environments where everyone drove in the same direction?
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The poiint being... you cannot equate auto accident death with gun deaths because they are completely different machine. Like comparing apples and Wombats... there is no reasonable equation to make the comparisons.
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Thanx for listening.

Guitar92player

I didn't read previous comments, but I just want to say:

It's not the guns fault, its human error. The parents are irresponsible. These scenarios happen too often, which is why those people ought not to have guns unless they can prove they are responsible, such as taking a test to see if they know all the safety procedures when having a gun, and if they get a gun and something like this happens, then their guns should be taken away for a period of time. Basically treat it like a drivers license.

a5pj

Guitar92player said:

I didn't read previous comments, but I just want to say:

It's not the guns fault, its human error. The parents are irresponsible. These scenarios happen too often, which is why those people ought not to have guns unless they can prove they are responsible, such as taking a test to see if they know all the safety procedures when having a gun, and if they get a gun and something like this happens, then their guns should be taken away for a period of time. Basically treat it like a drivers license.

+1

I think that would be a good start. Or maybe more intense background checks, registering and keeping track of where guns are going (like cars) etc...

Guitar92player

a5pj said:

Guitar92player said:

I didn't read previous comments, but I just want to say:

It's not the guns fault, its human error. The parents are irresponsible. These scenarios happen too often, which is why those people ought not to have guns unless they can prove they are responsible, such as taking a test to see if they know all the safety procedures when having a gun, and if they get a gun and something like this happens, then their guns should be taken away for a period of time. Basically treat it like a drivers license.

+1

I think that would be a good start. Or maybe more intense background checks, registering and keeping track of where guns are going (like cars) etc...

I wouldn't go as far as registering, but you are right as well. I wouldn't mind registering, but I don't want to alarm the paranoid ones out there who think that it will lead to the eventual takeaway of all their guns. I think the testing, as well as the intense background checks, are reasonable enough that all could/should agree to.

Idris

Just read this, figure it belongs here.
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Guns in the home raise suicide, homicide risk, review confirms


nbcnews.com/health/guns-home-raise-suicide-homicide-risk-review-confirms-2D11950306

(still leaves many questions no doubt, but I'm sure we'll hear more about this)

unsung

Guitar92player said:

I wouldn't go as far as registering, but you are right as well. I wouldn't mind registering, but I don't want to alarm the paranoid ones out there who think that it will lead to the eventual takeaway of all their guns. I think the testing, as well as the intense background checks, are reasonable enough that all could/should agree to.

Is it paranoia if it is actually happening?

Guitar92player

unsung said:

Guitar92player said:

I wouldn't go as far as registering, but you are right as well. I wouldn't mind registering, but I don't want to alarm the paranoid ones out there who think that it will lead to the eventual takeaway of all their guns. I think the testing, as well as the intense background checks, are reasonable enough that all could/should agree to.

Is it paranoia if it is actually happening?

Who is getting their guns taken away? Most likely a small minority of gun owners who illegally have them most likely...

If you provide a source, make sure its not biased. Because I have seen many biased sites "reporting" the "taking away" of guns by the "government."

Halifax2TheMax

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