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Four-year-old boy shot dead by four-year-old cousin on Detroit west side
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http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/national/4-year-old-boy-shot-and-killed-on-detroits-west-side-by-4-year-old-cousin1389974689091
Here's my main concern with the gun debate other than school shootings and people committing mass shootings in random places. This happens everyday and the children suffer.
An adult was even present when this happened and wasn't able to stop it.
Here's my main concern with the gun debate other than school shootings and people committing mass shootings in random places. This happens everyday and the children suffer.
An adult was even present when this happened and wasn't able to stop it.
Wouldn't it be funny if the world ended in 2010, with lots of fire?
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It's easier to blame an object that can't be offended.
Goofy liberals.
what is the political philosophy/ political party that will defend that object at all costs? you know, that object that humans time and time again prove that they can not handle. that object that kills more people by accident than any other object. you know, the philosophy/party that thinks it is obscene to ever suggest we do background checks for prospective gun owners. the party who goes on and on about liberty, yet is the first party up inside a woman's vagina making her carry a baby to term? the party that is on the verge of self destructing because their core principles are out of touch with the rest of the country. and people on your side of the issue have the gall to call me goofy?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
And since you've already turned this into abortion lets compare stats. Roughly 12,000 people in the US last year were killed in some fashion by a firearm, yet about 1,250,000 lives were terminated by abortions in the same time period. That's a lot of lost potential at a ratio of over 100:1. It's all tragic. So a woman has the right to end life but I shouldn't have the right to defend mine or those in my family by the means I currently have?
You talk about party politics, that's irrelevant. Do some research and you'll find that the lousy NRA is responsible for most of the anti-gun laws in this country. In fact they even endorsed Harry Reid for re-election because he secured funding/helped with regulations for a huge gun range in Nevada. I'm not a member, because the NRA compromises rights, I do not.
Again let's discuss why these incidents occur and move on from blaming a device that can not operate itself. I maintain that since gun safety classes and shooting teams were removed from high schools that these senseless and tragic accidents have increased. You want to point fingers at parties? It wasn't the NRA that removed these classes and teams from schools my liberal friend.
Meaning YOU, unsung. All you can do is point a finger. That's what republicans do. Rather than look at themselves, look for real solutions and considering opening their mind a little bit, you'd rather sit there and blame liberals. What a joke. Solves nothing.
And I didn't blame liberals for anything, I'm saying to find the cause, and not blame an inanimate object.
Welcome to AMT.
73,505 Americans were treated in hospital emergency departments for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2010.
Firearms were the third-leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide in 2010, following poisoning and motor vehicle accidents.
Between 1955 and 1975, the Vietnam War killed over 58,000 American soldiers – less than the number of civilians killed with guns in the U.S. in an average two-year period.
In the first seven years of the U.S.-Iraq War, over 4,400 American soldiers were killed. Almost as many civilians are killed with guns in the U.S., however, every seven weeks.
Homicide
Guns were used in 11,078 homicides in the U.S. in 2010, comprising almost 35% of all gun deaths, and over 68% of all homicides.
On average, 33 gun homicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010.
Regions and states with higher rates of gun ownership have significantly higher rates of homicide than states with lower rates of gun ownership.
Where guns are prevalent, there are significantly more homicides, particularly gun homicides.
Suicide
Firearms were used in 19,392 suicides in the U.S. in 2010, constituting almost 62% of all gun deaths.
Over 50% of all suicides are committed with a firearm.
On average, 49 gun suicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010.
White males, about 40% of the U.S. population, accounted for over 80% of firearm suicides in 2010.
A study of California handgun purchasers found that in the first year after the purchase of a handgun, suicide was the leading cause of death among the purchasers.
Firearms were used in nearly 44% of suicide deaths among persons under age 25 in 2010.
More than 75% of guns used in suicide attempts and unintentional injuries of 0-19 year-olds were stored in the residence of the victim, a relative, or a friend.
The risk of suicide increases in homes where guns are kept loaded and/or unlocked.
Unintentional Deaths and Injuries
In 2010, unintentional firearm injuries caused the deaths of 606 people.
From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.
Over 1,300 victims of unintentional shootings for the period 2005–2010 were under 25 years of age.
People of all age groups are significantly more likely to die from unintentional firearm injuries when they live in states with more guns, relative to states with fewer guns. On average, states with the highest gun levels had nine times the rate of unintentional firearms deaths compared to states with the lowest gun levels.
A federal government study of unintentional shootings found that 8% of such shooting deaths resulted from shots fired by children under the age of six.
The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).
http://smartgunlaws.org/category/gun-studies-statistics/gun-violence-statistics/
as far as guns go, access to guns is the problem. the number of guns available is the problem.
it is easy to shoot someone. you don't have to be right up on someone to feel their breath on your face when you shoot them. it is very impersonal to shoot someone. guns makes mass murder easier because it is impersonal. you stab someone, or choke someone with your bare hands, THAT is personal. i guaranfuckingtee you that most people who murder with guns are incapable physically or emotionally of murdering someone with a knife or their hands. this is why the gun is the problem.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Whatev. The fact that you insist on calling people newbs only shows that your ego can't stand adversity from someone who hasn't been around as long as you. Get over yourself.
Responsible gun ownership does exist, locking them away and/or keeping them out of a childs reach, I mean its just common sense.
I've had some friends and family members who have been hurt and even killed by people who've used guns on them. If guns didn't exist or were banned, would they still be alive? Maybe, or maybe the killers would just find another way to kill. Like killers did before the advent of guns.
Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker or safe aside from its ammunition. This is the standard and prescribed 'responsible' method of storage. The argument against this is a paranoid person saying, "How the hell am I going to shoot the bad guy with my guns stored that way?"
My question to that fear-filled response is: what is the proportion of accidental shootings compared house invader shootings?
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
and you're right btw, there is no responsible gun ownership, just like there's no responsible car ownership, no responsible alcohol/tobacco consumption, no responsible knife ownership.
oh and thanks for the stats blux, I thought cars killed more people than guns, but luckily since they weren't meant to kill I don't give a shit about the people that are killed, that's just life, right guys?
My question to that fear-filled response is: what is the proportion of accidental shootings compared house invader shootings?
I don't understand what point you are trying to convey.
Are you serious? How could a person struggle with the question I posed?
It would be interesting to compare the number of 'accidental shootings' (like the ones we hear of all the time where a 4 year old grabs their uncle's gun and shoots their cousin)... compared to the number of 'house invader shootings' (where Granny uses her gun to shoot dead a house invader). Sorry for any confusion- I'll try to use some pictures and one syllable words next time for you.
You might have to elaborate on comparing irresponsible gun ownership to irresponsible tobacco ownership. Call me daft now, but I'm not following you at all here.
To that end: I would speculate that the number of 'accidental deaths' would be dramatically more than 'home invader deaths'. Is the preparation worth the risk? In my mind... no.
I would also assert that owning a gun to prepare for a home invasion is tantamount to not swimming in the ocean for fear of shark attack. The odds are unbelievably in your favour, yet you feel the need for precaution anyways.
also, if you lock your doors, wear a seatbelt or own insurance, you are afraid something bad will happen, why is preparing for or being ready for bad things to happen a bad thing?
I'm all for preparing for bad things to happen and safeguarding yourself. This is why I am suggesting gun reform. Safeguard your country from more harm by limiting the types of weaponry available to the public. Why must you accept another school shooting as a necessary aspect of life?
The people that have these breakdowns we bear witness to aren't typical 'bad guys'. Typical 'bad guys' generally shoot other typical 'bad guys' that encroach on their business practices. These Adam Lanzas and James Holmes types are merely people that have lost their minds and simply taken advantage of the easy access to advanced weaponry to express their rage or sorrow.
You are correct... more Americans are killed in auto accidents, than by firearms... if you look only at total fatalities numbers.
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To get those numbers to equate, you need expand the equations on both sides to get a clearer picture and to reach a truthful result.
For example, you need to ask questions such as, are there more cars in America than guns? How often do American car owners operate their cars? How often do American gun owners fire their weapons?
As a gun owner yourself, you can answer these questions... how often do you drive your car? Meaning how many times to you drive your car per day?
How many hours do you operate your car per day? Average that out to a month.
How many other drivers do you encounter while driving... including those drivers that are crossing your path and coming the other direction?
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How often do you fire your gun? meaning, how many times do you go shooting per day?
How many hours per day do you use your weapon? Average that out to a month.
How many other gun owners do you encounter while firing your weapon... including those shooters who are firing is a cross direction and facing your direction?
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My guess is that you probably drive your car a lot more than you fire your weapon, right? I would also guess that most American gun owners do the same.
Now, do you believe those total numbers would change if you used your firearms as often as your car and in similar conditions as driving? The same hold true in the adverse... the numbers would change if you drove your car the same amount of time you used your firearms and in those same controlled conditions.
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Of course, the total number of fatalities would change. At a firing range, everyone points in the same direction, right? That does not hold true on the streets and highways. And the number of different people you encounter when at the firing range is far less than the number of drivers you share the road with on your daily commute, right? Would the gun death rate increase if every one of those drivers were shooting guns while you are driving to work? Would the number of car fatalities decrease if people only used their cars in controlled environments where everyone drove in the same direction?
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The poiint being... you cannot equate auto accident death with gun deaths because they are completely different machine. Like comparing apples and Wombats... there is no reasonable equation to make the comparisons.
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Thanx for listening.
Hail, Hail!!!
It's not the guns fault, its human error. The parents are irresponsible. These scenarios happen too often, which is why those people ought not to have guns unless they can prove they are responsible, such as taking a test to see if they know all the safety procedures when having a gun, and if they get a gun and something like this happens, then their guns should be taken away for a period of time. Basically treat it like a drivers license.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
I think that would be a good start. Or maybe more intense background checks, registering and keeping track of where guns are going (like cars) etc...
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
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Guns in the home raise suicide, homicide risk, review confirms
nbcnews.com/health/guns-home-raise-suicide-homicide-risk-review-confirms-2D11950306
(still leaves many questions no doubt, but I'm sure we'll hear more about this)
If you provide a source, make sure its not biased. Because I have seen many biased sites "reporting" the "taking away" of guns by the "government."
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
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