Brady vs Manning?

JimmyV

Pats fan here. Given a choice between the two I will ALWAYS pick Brady. No hesitation. Will be rooting like crazy for them on Sunday.

But if I'm being honest...

This game, this year, in Denver...with my heart I want the Pats but with my head I think Peyton gets the win.

oysterjar

JimmyV said:

Pats fan here. Given a choice between the two I will ALWAYS pick Brady. No hesitation. Will be rooting like crazy for them on Sunday.

But if I'm being honest...

This game, this year, in Denver...with my heart I want the Pats but with my head I think Peyton gets the win.

Being a biased Pats fan: Denver has no chance if the Pats run game is as productive as it was last week.

SVRDhand13

It will be very interesting if Brady makes it to the SB and loses for the third time in a row (after winning his first 3). 6 SB appearances is just insane. Hell, 5 is insane.

BinFrog

dlymnfld said:

Red Rocks (CO) or Mansfield (MA). I'll bet that one is unanimous.

Yes, but I do miss the Great Woods of old.

pjhawks

If I had to choose I'd take Brady over Manning although I think Denver wins the game this week easily.

thefixer9

Seattle1974 said:

Russell Wilson!

:-bd

JimmyV

SVRDhand13 said:

It will be very interesting if Brady makes it to the SB and loses for the third time in a row (after winning his first 3). 6 SB appearances is just insane. Hell, 5 is insane.

Eight AFC Championship games is insane too.

If the Pats lose on Sunday, or if they win and then lose the SB, there will be talking heads debating what that does to his legacy. It does nothing to his legacy. The career numbers are already staggering. He is the winningest post season QB in history. He and Belichick broke a record three or four years ago for most wins by a QB/Coach combo. They break their own record every time they win a game. Never gets talked about anymore because it is ho-hum. Whenever Brady retires and the full body of work is taken into account, his legacy is secure.

I'm too emotionally involved to fully appreciate how special Sunday is. Two of the greatest of all time on their sport's second biggest stage. That doesn't happen all the time. The last one was in January of 2007. After Sunday, the next one might be never.

Poncier

JimmyV said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It will be very interesting if Brady makes it to the SB and loses for the third time in a row (after winning his first 3). 6 SB appearances is just insane. Hell, 5 is insane.

Eight AFC Championship games is insane too.

If the Pats lose on Sunday, or if they win and then lose the SB, there will be talking heads debating what that does to his legacy. It does nothing to his legacy. The career numbers are already staggering. He is the winningest post season QB in history. He and Belichick broke a record three or four years ago for most wins by a QB/Coach combo. They break their own record every time they win a game. Never gets talked about anymore because it is ho-hum. Whenever Brady retires and the full body of work is taken into account, his legacy is secure.

I'm too emotionally involved to fully appreciate how special Sunday is. Two of the greatest of all time on their sport's second biggest stage. That doesn't happen all the time. The last one was in January of 2007. After Sunday, the next one might be never.

Just to get as far as the Pats have gotten this year considering all the injuries, losing either Sunday or Groundhog's Day can't diminish Brady or Belichick's legacy. Imagine if Gronkowski, Wilfork, Mayo, Kelly, Vollmer and Spikes (let alone Hernandez) are all healthy and playing this weekend. The Pats would be the heavy odds on favorites to win the Super Bowl instead of 4th choice in Vegas.
Should they somehow win the next 2 games, it will be Belichick's best coaching job ever and possibly the best single season head coaching job in NFL history to hold this team together considering the injuries and adversity (the Hernandez situation alone in training camp could have easily subverted many teams' season before it got started)

JimmyV

JK_Livin

The Broncos have lost quite a few players to injury as well. The other stuff, I'll give you.

Both are great QB's and I'm jealous of my team not having one like them for so long. I believe Brady is more clutch and Peyton has all the glory from his statistics. Although, Brady has lost 2 bowls as the favorite.

MayDay10

Manning

Although if Brady and Belichick came as a package, definitely them.


Not taking anything from Brady. A top 5 QB in the history of the NFL.

Its a few factors.
You have the consistent body of statistics

Manning goes down and the Colts go into the toilet. Brady goes down and Matt Cassel goes 11-5

Bill Belichick and Brady together the entire time and on the same page. Manning has had numerous coaches and 2 teams

The head-to-head matchups always seemed on Brady's turf more than not. Also, the Hoody is the same mastermind who was able to stop the 1990 Bills in Super Bowl XXV. Its no surprise he can stamp out Manning. Also, quarterbacks do not play one another.

AFC South > AFC East over the past 13 years. The Patriots always walk into the playoffs and usually a bye with free wins vs Buffalo, Miami, and NY Jets.

You cant ignore the cheating aspect.

Its a personal observation based on a somewhat limited sample space, but I would be willing to bet Brady has a much higher of % of his yards YAC than Manning. For years he lived on the quick slant and long runs in a offensive gameplan machine (it does take a special QB to execute it though).

pjhawks

JimmyV said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It will be very interesting if Brady makes it to the SB and loses for the third time in a row (after winning his first 3). 6 SB appearances is just insane. Hell, 5 is insane.

Eight AFC Championship games is insane too.

If the Pats lose on Sunday, or if they win and then lose the SB, there will be talking heads debating what that does to his legacy. It does nothing to his legacy. The career numbers are already staggering. He is the winningest post season QB in history. He and Belichick broke a record three or four years ago for most wins by a QB/Coach combo. They break their own record every time they win a game. Never gets talked about anymore because it is ho-hum. Whenever Brady retires and the full body of work is taken into account, his legacy is secure.

I'm too emotionally involved to fully appreciate how special Sunday is. Two of the greatest of all time on their sport's second biggest stage. That doesn't happen all the time. The last one was in January of 2007. After Sunday, the next one might be never.

Belichick will always be a cheating scumbag and if he doesn't win another title I think he would be a bit tainted having not won another one after being convicted of cheating. and yes I am a bitter eagles fan who thinks that ahole stole the Super Bowl from us.

That being said the game has way more to do with Manning's legacy than Brady's. If Manning loses this game going to be hard to argue Manning over Brady. fair or not? I'm not sure but that's what is going to happen. A lot more pressure on Peyton in this game.

JimmyV

The cheating thing was ridiculous in 2007 and is even worse today. Apparently it only helps you win the actual Super Bowl as Belichick has had a pretty impressive overall record since then. The commissioner said not to do it and they did, so yes they were wrong. But for as long as I can remember coaches and coordinators who speak into headsets always have covered their mouths when calling plays. Why? Because they know their opponent is watching. Spygate was ridiculously overblown.

As for the Eagles...you don't win too many Super Bowls with a QB throwing up on the field from nerves.

pjhawks

JimmyV said:

The cheating thing was ridiculous in 2007 and is even worse today. Apparently it only helps you win the actual Super Bowl as Belichick has had a pretty impressive overall record since then. The commissioner said not to do it and they did, so yes they were wrong. But for as long as I can remember coaches and coordinators who speak into headsets always have covered their mouths when calling plays. Why? Because they know their opponent is watching. Spygate was ridiculously overblown.

As for the Eagles...you don't win too many Super Bowls with a QB throwing up on the field from nerves.

never let the facts get in the way of your opinion. fact: only one coach/team ever convicted of doing it

The Juggler

Poncier said:

JimmyV said:

SVRDhand13 said:

It will be very interesting if Brady makes it to the SB and loses for the third time in a row (after winning his first 3). 6 SB appearances is just insane. Hell, 5 is insane.

Eight AFC Championship games is insane too.

If the Pats lose on Sunday, or if they win and then lose the SB, there will be talking heads debating what that does to his legacy. It does nothing to his legacy. The career numbers are already staggering. He is the winningest post season QB in history. He and Belichick broke a record three or four years ago for most wins by a QB/Coach combo. They break their own record every time they win a game. Never gets talked about anymore because it is ho-hum. Whenever Brady retires and the full body of work is taken into account, his legacy is secure.

I'm too emotionally involved to fully appreciate how special Sunday is. Two of the greatest of all time on their sport's second biggest stage. That doesn't happen all the time. The last one was in January of 2007. After Sunday, the next one might be never.

Just to get as far as the Pats have gotten this year considering all the injuries, losing either Sunday or Groundhog's Day can't diminish Brady or Belichick's legacy. Imagine if Gronkowski, Wilfork, Mayo, Kelly, Vollmer and Spikes (let alone Hernandez) are all healthy and playing this weekend. The Pats would be the heavy odds on favorites to win the Super Bowl instead of 4th choice in Vegas.
Should they somehow win the next 2 games, it will be Belichick's best coaching job ever and possibly the best single season head coaching job in NFL history to hold this team together considering the injuries and adversity (the Hernandez situation alone in training camp could have easily subverted many teams' season before it got started)

i'd say it's already his best coaching job. the way he adapts to his personnel is unlike anything we've seen.

JimmyV

pjhawks said:

JimmyV said:

The cheating thing was ridiculous in 2007 and is even worse today. Apparently it only helps you win the actual Super Bowl as Belichick has had a pretty impressive overall record since then. The commissioner said not to do it and they did, so yes they were wrong. But for as long as I can remember coaches and coordinators who speak into headsets always have covered their mouths when calling plays. Why? Because they know their opponent is watching. Spygate was ridiculously overblown.

As for the Eagles...you don't win too many Super Bowls with a QB throwing up on the field from nerves.

never let the facts get in the way of your opinion. fact: only one coach/team ever convicted of doing it

Yep, and the fact is that the Pats have won quite a few games since Belichick was "convicted". Spygate is such a hilarious last resort argument. If you are doing it in clear view of your opponent it should be fair game, anyway. Think your opponent has your signs? Change them up. In baseball signs have been stolen from second base for more than a hundred years. It was an overblown scandal.

pjhawks

JimmyV said:

pjhawks said:

JimmyV said:

The cheating thing was ridiculous in 2007 and is even worse today. Apparently it only helps you win the actual Super Bowl as Belichick has had a pretty impressive overall record since then. The commissioner said not to do it and they did, so yes they were wrong. But for as long as I can remember coaches and coordinators who speak into headsets always have covered their mouths when calling plays. Why? Because they know their opponent is watching. Spygate was ridiculously overblown.

As for the Eagles...you don't win too many Super Bowls with a QB throwing up on the field from nerves.

never let the facts get in the way of your opinion. fact: only one coach/team ever convicted of doing it

Yep, and the fact is that the Pats have won quite a few games since Belichick was "convicted". Spygate is such a hilarious last resort argument. If you are doing it in clear view of your opponent it should be fair game, anyway. Think your opponent has your signs? Change them up. In baseball signs have been stolen from second base for more than a hundred years. It was an overblown scandal.

yes they have but never that last one. even with the best QB of all time. if belichick doesn't win another one...

JimmyV

pjhawks said:

JimmyV said:

pjhawks said:

JimmyV said:

The cheating thing was ridiculous in 2007 and is even worse today. Apparently it only helps you win the actual Super Bowl as Belichick has had a pretty impressive overall record since then. The commissioner said not to do it and they did, so yes they were wrong. But for as long as I can remember coaches and coordinators who speak into headsets always have covered their mouths when calling plays. Why? Because they know their opponent is watching. Spygate was ridiculously overblown.

As for the Eagles...you don't win too many Super Bowls with a QB throwing up on the field from nerves.

never let the facts get in the way of your opinion. fact: only one coach/team ever convicted of doing it

Yep, and the fact is that the Pats have won quite a few games since Belichick was "convicted". Spygate is such a hilarious last resort argument. If you are doing it in clear view of your opponent it should be fair game, anyway. Think your opponent has your signs? Change them up. In baseball signs have been stolen from second base for more than a hundred years. It was an overblown scandal.

yes they have but never that last one. even with the best QB of all time. if belichick doesn't win another one...

...he'll only have three.

pjhawks

JimmyV said:

pjhawks said:

JimmyV said:

pjhawks said:

JimmyV said:

The cheating thing was ridiculous in 2007 and is even worse today. Apparently it only helps you win the actual Super Bowl as Belichick has had a pretty impressive overall record since then. The commissioner said not to do it and they did, so yes they were wrong. But for as long as I can remember coaches and coordinators who speak into headsets always have covered their mouths when calling plays. Why? Because they know their opponent is watching. Spygate was ridiculously overblown.

As for the Eagles...you don't win too many Super Bowls with a QB throwing up on the field from nerves.

never let the facts get in the way of your opinion. fact: only one coach/team ever convicted of doing it

Yep, and the fact is that the Pats have won quite a few games since Belichick was "convicted". Spygate is such a hilarious last resort argument. If you are doing it in clear view of your opponent it should be fair game, anyway. Think your opponent has your signs? Change them up. In baseball signs have been stolen from second base for more than a hundred years. It was an overblown scandal.

yes they have but never that last one. even with the best QB of all time. if belichick doesn't win another one...

...he'll only have three.

and he'll always be a convicted cheater. can't erase that.

back on topic: do you agree this game will be much more on Manning's legacy than Brady's though? if peyton doesn't win this one he is going to get ripped fairly or not.

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