Global warming

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

We're likely to see more of these devastating fires in places like California, western north America and Australia.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/10/the-new-abnormal-why-fires-like-paradise-will-happen-again-and-again

"California is in the grip of what its governor, Jerry Brown, calls the “new abnormal”. The past five years have been the hottest on record in the state, which is in stuttering recovery from its worst drought in a millennium. The state has received just a fifth of its normal rainfall so far in 2018, with a record 1.6m acres of grassland, forest and urban area, an area larger than Delaware, burning this year.

Of the multifarious consequences of climate change, scientists consider increasingly ferocious wildfires to be one of the most starkly apparent. Rising atmospheric heat – average minimum temperatures in California are 2.3F warmer than a century ago – is drying out trees and shrubs, drawing moisture away from the soil and shrinking the snowpack. Dampening rains are becoming erratic, or, like this year, not materializing at all."

Face it God doesn't love you California hippies.  /s

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

We're likely to see more of these devastating fires in places like California, western north America and Australia.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/10/the-new-abnormal-why-fires-like-paradise-will-happen-again-and-again

"California is in the grip of what its governor, Jerry Brown, calls the “new abnormal”. The past five years have been the hottest on record in the state, which is in stuttering recovery from its worst drought in a millennium. The state has received just a fifth of its normal rainfall so far in 2018, with a record 1.6m acres of grassland, forest and urban area, an area larger than Delaware, burning this year.

Of the multifarious consequences of climate change, scientists consider increasingly ferocious wildfires to be one of the most starkly apparent. Rising atmospheric heat – average minimum temperatures in California are 2.3F warmer than a century ago – is drying out trees and shrubs, drawing moisture away from the soil and shrinking the snowpack. Dampening rains are becoming erratic, or, like this year, not materializing at all."

Face it God doesn't love you California hippies.  /s

What do you mean?  God is a hippie.

my2hands

Macho Man!!!

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

We're likely to see more of these devastating fires in places like California, western north America and Australia.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/10/the-new-abnormal-why-fires-like-paradise-will-happen-again-and-again

"California is in the grip of what its governor, Jerry Brown, calls the “new abnormal”. The past five years have been the hottest on record in the state, which is in stuttering recovery from its worst drought in a millennium. The state has received just a fifth of its normal rainfall so far in 2018, with a record 1.6m acres of grassland, forest and urban area, an area larger than Delaware, burning this year.

Of the multifarious consequences of climate change, scientists consider increasingly ferocious wildfires to be one of the most starkly apparent. Rising atmospheric heat – average minimum temperatures in California are 2.3F warmer than a century ago – is drying out trees and shrubs, drawing moisture away from the soil and shrinking the snowpack. Dampening rains are becoming erratic, or, like this year, not materializing at all."

Face it God doesn't love you California hippies.  /s

What do you mean?  God is a hippie.

LOL

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Blue collar workers have to make electric cars just like they have to make non-electric ones. Yes, they will need re-training, but anyone doing it will need training. It's not like there are electric car building experts waiting in the wings, ready to take the place of the gas car builders. They are being pushed out of their jobs because car companies are failing them by not moving with the times fast enough or willingly enough, not because of the technology of electric cars. GM is the prime example. Once the major car manufacturers pull their heads out of their asses the workers will be back in the factories learning how to put together the new car and SUV models.

PJ_Soul said:

Blue collar workers have to make electric cars just like they have to make non-electric ones. Yes, they will need re-training, but anyone doing it will need training. It's not like there are electric car building experts waiting in the wings, ready to take the place of the gas car builders. They are being pushed out of their jobs because car companies are failing them by not moving with the times fast enough or willingly enough, not because of the technology of electric cars. GM is the prime example. Once the major car manufacturers pull their heads out of their asses the workers will be back in the factories learning how to put together the new car and SUV models.

You really have no clue about the manufacturing industry, do you?  So why pretend? These blue collar workers are not going to be building the electric cars.  Oshawa assembly will be closed, these workers will not be getting there job back.  These so-called cars of the future will be built in China and Mexico and whatever 3rd world hole where GM and other manufacturers can EXPLOIT people.  If you DO not, believe me, call the citizens of Flint, Mi, Detroit, Mi, Windsor, Ontario, St. Thomas, On, Chatham, Ontario, Oshawa, Ontario and many, many more communities that have seen good-paying manufacturing jobs leave to Mexico.  You still don't believe me, give Jerry Dias, president of Unifor a call...ask him?  When you have him on the phone ask him how many factories have been closed in Mexico and moved north.  For the record I do not like Jerry Dias, I think Trudeau played him...he supported the new NAFTA when in reality he should not have supported it.  By the way one of the closed plants in GM restructuring was the Chevy Volt plant, why?  They stopped making it.  GM has already stated NO ONE is buying cars, people want SUV's and Trucks...Part of GM's restructuring is so they can focus on Electric cars, this is bullshit.  GM knows electric cars are a long ways off from mass production.

I do actually. But I'm not suggesting that the Oshawa plant will reopen (FWIW, I once did a term-long in-depth analysis of the Oshawa plant in university while I was studying union communications).

my2hands

See you all down in Arizona Bay

Greenhouse gas emissions accelerate like a "freight train" in 2018

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/05/climate/greenhouse-gas-emissions-2018.html

brianlux

2050 Vacation in Miami:

Next stop, dunking for apples in the Big Apple.

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Blue collar workers have to make electric cars just like they have to make non-electric ones. Yes, they will need re-training, but anyone doing it will need training. It's not like there are electric car building experts waiting in the wings, ready to take the place of the gas car builders. They are being pushed out of their jobs because car companies are failing them by not moving with the times fast enough or willingly enough, not because of the technology of electric cars. GM is the prime example. Once the major car manufacturers pull their heads out of their asses the workers will be back in the factories learning how to put together the new car and SUV models.

PJ_Soul said:

Blue collar workers have to make electric cars just like they have to make non-electric ones. Yes, they will need re-training, but anyone doing it will need training. It's not like there are electric car building experts waiting in the wings, ready to take the place of the gas car builders. They are being pushed out of their jobs because car companies are failing them by not moving with the times fast enough or willingly enough, not because of the technology of electric cars. GM is the prime example. Once the major car manufacturers pull their heads out of their asses the workers will be back in the factories learning how to put together the new car and SUV models.

You really have no clue about the manufacturing industry, do you?  So why pretend? These blue collar workers are not going to be building the electric cars.  Oshawa assembly will be closed, these workers will not be getting there job back.  These so-called cars of the future will be built in China and Mexico and whatever 3rd world hole where GM and other manufacturers can EXPLOIT people.  If you DO not, believe me, call the citizens of Flint, Mi, Detroit, Mi, Windsor, Ontario, St. Thomas, On, Chatham, Ontario, Oshawa, Ontario and many, many more communities that have seen good-paying manufacturing jobs leave to Mexico.  You still don't believe me, give Jerry Dias, president of Unifor a call...ask him?  When you have him on the phone ask him how many factories have been closed in Mexico and moved north.  For the record I do not like Jerry Dias, I think Trudeau played him...he supported the new NAFTA when in reality he should not have supported it.  By the way one of the closed plants in GM restructuring was the Chevy Volt plant, why?  They stopped making it.  GM has already stated NO ONE is buying cars, people want SUV's and Trucks...Part of GM's restructuring is so they can focus on Electric cars, this is bullshit.  GM knows electric cars are a long ways off from mass production.

I do actually. But I'm not suggesting that the Oshawa plant will reopen (FWIW, I once did a term-long in-depth analysis of the Oshawa plant in university while I was studying union communications).

Then I do not need to tell you that Jerry Dias is spinning a bunch of misconceptions in regards to Oshawa.  It's been on life support since 2015, they produced what is referred to as orphan vehicles, they did not have a dedicated product, they made the Camera and Impala (bigger cars that people do not buy) and they painted a couple of truck lines, most of their supply chain is west of Toronto and with Toronto congestion getting parts there in their just in time delivery system is likely getting more difficult.  I understand the Unions frustration, these are great paying jobs that are disappearing and not coming back...and I think the Union would like the bleeding to stop, it's not going to stop.  Ontario is an expensive place to do business.  Now Fiat/Chrysler is opening a new assembly plant in Detroit, so there is still hope.  Let's also remember that Trudeau wrote off some of that bailout money they received.  According to Doug Ford, GM did not ask for a thing, they said it is a done deal.   All those towns I listed have been devastated by the loss of manufacturing.  These morons that go on and on about diversifying the economy are idiots, it's easier said than done.  Even Dias admits that building electric cars in Oshawa will never happen, nor was it even close to a solution, electric cars only make up 2% of car sales.  The only solution is for the auto companies to bring back lines from Mexico, that's not happening.  But hey, he and buddy Trudeau happily endorsed a deal that included Mexico...

Meltdown99

Never mind climate change, Davos prefers private jets

https://www.thelocal.ch/20190122/never-mind-climate-change-davos-prefers-private-jets


LMFAO...suckers.

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

Never mind climate change, Davos prefers private jets

https://www.thelocal.ch/20190122/never-mind-climate-change-davos-prefers-private-jets


LMFAO...suckers.

If you could read their minds you would hear something like, "Well, the world is screwed anyway so we'll do the party elite style until the end and tell all the rest of the suckers how bad we feel about global warming." 

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

Never mind climate change, Davos prefers private jets

https://www.thelocal.ch/20190122/never-mind-climate-change-davos-prefers-private-jets


LMFAO...suckers.

If you could read their minds you would hear something like, "Well, the world is screwed anyway so we'll do the party elite style until the end and tell all the rest of the suckers how bad we feel about global warming." 

I read in another article that there is also an environmental conference going on as well, same thing, flying in on private jets.  May I suggest if you are supposedly advocating for the environment, maybe it's best that you lead by example.  This is why I will always be opposed to a carbon tax.  In Canada, we do not need a carbon tax, the government can take any one of the many taxes and rename and dedicate the money collected to their cause.

rgambs

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

Never mind climate change, Davos prefers private jets

https://www.thelocal.ch/20190122/never-mind-climate-change-davos-prefers-private-jets


LMFAO...suckers.

If you could read their minds you would hear something like, "Well, the world is screwed anyway so we'll do the party elite style until the end and tell all the rest of the suckers how bad we feel about global warming." 

I read in another article that there is also an environmental conference going on as well, same thing, flying in on private jets.  May I suggest if you are supposedly advocating for the environment, maybe it's best that you lead by example.  This is why I will always be opposed to a carbon tax.  In Canada, we do not need a carbon tax, the government can take any one of the many taxes and rename and dedicate the money collected to their cause.

I dunno about this, I agree and I don't.
My personal philosophy is to walk the walk first, and then worry about the talk, so I agree on the jet...then again, people like Al Gore and climate scientists and activists have done more for the environment through their work than can be outweighed by their means of conveyance.

brianlux

rgambs said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

Never mind climate change, Davos prefers private jets

https://www.thelocal.ch/20190122/never-mind-climate-change-davos-prefers-private-jets


LMFAO...suckers.

If you could read their minds you would hear something like, "Well, the world is screwed anyway so we'll do the party elite style until the end and tell all the rest of the suckers how bad we feel about global warming." 

I read in another article that there is also an environmental conference going on as well, same thing, flying in on private jets.  May I suggest if you are supposedly advocating for the environment, maybe it's best that you lead by example.  This is why I will always be opposed to a carbon tax.  In Canada, we do not need a carbon tax, the government can take any one of the many taxes and rename and dedicate the money collected to their cause.

I dunno about this, I agree and I don't.
My personal philosophy is to walk the walk first, and then worry about the talk, so I agree on the jet...then again, people like Al Gore and climate scientists and activists have done more for the environment through their work than can be outweighed by their means of conveyance.

I agree with the no private jets thing.  Even if you're as well known as Al Gore- take a couple body guards with you and fly first class.  You'll still save plenty of money to use to help fund a group like NRDC (Natural Resources Defense Counsel) who uses legal means to protect the environment. 

rgambs

Yeah, private jets are always an excess, I was thinking more of just air travel and traveling so much in general.

brianlux

rgambs said:

Yeah, private jets are always an excess, I was thinking more of just air travel and traveling so much in general.

Ah, I see.  Yeah, that's a bit tough.  Like a few months ago when I saw Henry Rollins do his slide show.  He was able to do that because he's flown everywhere. And because he did, I got to go along for the ride vicariously and it was great!

And also, I know "liberal environmentalists" who travel a lot- in fact I know one who last year admitted to me that she now questions how wise a choice it was to travel so much.  So who do we say, "OK, you are worthy of traveling a lot"  but "You are not"?

I haven't flown since the late 80's and very likely never will again, so I guess I get a pass.

But wait!   I'm using a massively destructive, energy sucking instrument this very moment... computer!  I think I just lost that pass. 

fife

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7dVF9xylaw

amazing speech.  gives some hope

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

rgambs said:

Yeah, private jets are always an excess, I was thinking more of just air travel and traveling so much in general.

Ah, I see.  Yeah, that's a bit tough.  Like a few months ago when I saw Henry Rollins do his slide show.  He was able to do that because he's flown everywhere. And because he did, I got to go along for the ride vicariously and it was great!

And also, I know "liberal environmentalists" who travel a lot- in fact I know one who last year admitted to me that she now questions how wise a choice it was to travel so much.  So who do we say, "OK, you are worthy of traveling a lot"  but "You are not"?

I haven't flown since the late 80's and very likely never will again, so I guess I get a pass.

But wait!   I'm using a massively destructive, energy sucking instrument this very moment... computer!  I think I just lost that pass. 

Brian, you probably would hate flying these days.  

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

rgambs said:

Yeah, private jets are always an excess, I was thinking more of just air travel and traveling so much in general.

Ah, I see.  Yeah, that's a bit tough.  Like a few months ago when I saw Henry Rollins do his slide show.  He was able to do that because he's flown everywhere. And because he did, I got to go along for the ride vicariously and it was great!

And also, I know "liberal environmentalists" who travel a lot- in fact I know one who last year admitted to me that she now questions how wise a choice it was to travel so much.  So who do we say, "OK, you are worthy of traveling a lot"  but "You are not"?

I haven't flown since the late 80's and very likely never will again, so I guess I get a pass.

But wait!   I'm using a massively destructive, energy sucking instrument this very moment... computer!  I think I just lost that pass. 

Brian, you probably would hate flying these days.  

True, but  I wouldn't fly anyway after being through a couple of close calls. 

First time, coming into JFK from SFO, just a few minutes before final approach the plane, a Boeing 747, take a sudden, hard dive to the port, sending anything not tied down flying about the cabin including flight attendants (at that time referred to as "stewardesses").  Lot's of people screaming, shitting their pants, freaking out.  Great stuff for one of those Hollywood crash scenes.  Captain comes on in a shaky shaky voice and say's "We'll b-b-be landing sh-sh-shortly", (but no word about what the hell that was all about!)

And then on a routine flight from Boston to SFO, captain comes on and says matter-of-fact like, "Our instrument panel indicates that the landing gear will not lock so we are going to make an emergency landing at DFW (Dallas International)."  As we approach the runway, I look out the window and see a foamed landing strip lined with red vehicles.  Oh goodie.  Lucky day- the landing gear held. 

Flying?  Ahhhh, fuck that.   

brianlux

fife said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7dVF9xylaw

amazing speech.  gives some hope

Man, I love what she say's about not wanting our hopes for our children but rather our panic because the house is on fire.  Hell yes.

PJ_Soul

Andrew Wheeler, former energy lobbyist, confirmed as nation’s top environmental official

As acting chief at the EPA, Wheeler has advanced the Trump administration’s deregulation agenda.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2019/02/28/andrew-wheeler-former-energy-lobbyist-confirmed-nations-top-environmental-official/?utm_term=.963854ab66ae