Impeachment ?

Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
edited December 2013 in A Moving Train
so here's Clinton story in history (a small part) do you think Obama should be impeached ?

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After nearly 14 hours of debate, the House of Representatives approves two articles of impeachment against President Bill Clinton, charging him with lying under oath to a federal grand jury and obstructing justice. Clinton, the second president in American history to be impeached, vowed to finish his term.

In November 1995, Clinton began an affair with Monica Lewinsky, a 21-year-old unpaid intern. Over the course of a year and a half, the president and Lewinsky had nearly a dozen sexual encounters in the White House. In April 1996, Lewinsky was transferred to the Pentagon. That summer, she first confided in Pentagon co-worker Linda Tripp about her sexual relationship with the president. In 1997, with the relationship over, Tripp began secretly to record conversations with Lewinsky, in which Lewinsky gave Tripp details about the affair.

In December, lawyers for Paula Jones, who was suing the president on sexual harassment charges, subpoenaed Lewinsky. In January 1998, allegedly under the recommendation of the president, Lewinsky filed an affidavit in which she denied ever having had a sexual relationship with him. Five days later, Tripp contacted the office of Kenneth Starr, the Whitewater independent counsel, to talk about Lewinsky and the tapes she made of their conversations. Tripp, wired by FBI agents working with Starr, met with Lewinsky again, and on January 16, Lewinsky was taken by FBI agents and U.S. attorneys to a hotel room where she was questioned and offered immunity if she cooperated with the prosecution. A few days later, the story broke, and Clinton publicly denied the allegations, saying, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky."

In late July, lawyers for Lewinsky and Starr worked out a full-immunity agreement covering both Lewinsky and her parents, all of whom Starr had threatened with prosecution. On August 6, Lewinsky appeared before the grand jury to begin her testimony, and on August 17 President Clinton testified. Contrary to his testimony in the Paula Jones sexual-harassment case, President Clinton acknowledged to prosecutors from the office of the independent counsel that he had had an extramarital affair with Ms. Lewinsky.

In four hours of closed-door testimony, conducted in the Map Room of the White House, Clinton spoke live via closed-circuit television to a grand jury in a nearby federal courthouse. He was the first sitting president ever to testify before a grand jury investigating his conduct. That evening, President Clinton also gave a four-minute televised address to the nation in which he admitted he had engaged in an inappropriate relationship with Lewinsky. In the brief speech, which was wrought with legalisms, the word "sex" was never spoken, and the word "regret" was used only in reference to his admission that he misled the public and his family.

Less than a month later, on September 9, Kenneth Starr submitted his report and 18 boxes of supporting documents to the House of Representatives. Released to the public two days later, the Starr Report outlined a case for impeaching Clinton on 11 grounds, including perjury, obstruction of justice, witness-tampering, and abuse of power, and also provided explicit details of the sexual relationship between the president and Ms. Lewinsky. On October 8, the House authorized a wide-ranging impeachment inquiry, and on December 11, the House Judiciary Committee approved three articles of impeachment. On December 19, the House impeached Clinton.

On January 7, 1999, in a congressional procedure not seen since the 1868 impeachment trial of President Andrew Johnson, the trial of President Clinton got underway in the Senate. As instructed in Article 1 of the U.S. Constitution, the chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court (William Rehnquist at this time) was sworn in to preside, and the senators were sworn in as jurors.

Five weeks later, on February 12, the Senate voted on whether to remove Clinton from office. The president was acquitted on both articles of impeachment. The prosecution needed a two-thirds majority to convict but failed to achieve even a bare majority. Rejecting the first charge of perjury, 45 Democrats and 10 Republicans voted "not guilty," and on the charge of obstruction of justice the Senate was split 50-50. After the trial concluded, President Clinton said he was "profoundly sorry" for the burden his behavior imposed on Congress and the American people.
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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    We get it, you hate Obama.

    Show me where he lied under oath and obstructed justice?
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    :fp: :fp:
  • i aboslutely dare the republicans to impeach a popular president. their party is in shambles right now. if they start the impeachment process the country will completely turn on them and they will not win an election for 2 decades..

    i love how the republicans complain that nothing is getting done, when it is them that is not participating in the system. then they blame it on obama.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    i aboslutely dare the republicans to impeach a popular president. their party is in shambles right now. if they start the impeachment process the country will completely turn on them and they will not win an election for 2 decades..

    i love how the republicans complain that nothing is getting done, when it is them that is not participating in the system. then they blame it on obama.
    I think impeachment is silly, but in regards to being popular, W had a higher approval rating at this stage in his presidency (47%) compared to Obama (43%).

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamas-approval-rating-lower-most-recent-presidents/
  • Jason P wrote:
    i aboslutely dare the republicans to impeach a popular president. their party is in shambles right now. if they start the impeachment process the country will completely turn on them and they will not win an election for 2 decades..

    i love how the republicans complain that nothing is getting done, when it is them that is not participating in the system. then they blame it on obama.
    I think impeachment is silly, but in regards to being popular, W had a higher approval rating at this stage in his presidency (47%) compared to Obama (43%).

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamas-approval-rating-lower-most-recent-presidents/
    starting the impeachment process is all the republicans are good at. if they continued to bow to the tea party it would have already been initiated. fortunately the less insane heads are prevailing...for now anyway...until the next debt ceiling fiasco...
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  • Ever notice how Republicans are in love with the idea of impeaching a sitting dem president? And, like it does anything!

    To live with the kind of hate that this party has deep in their souls, is a kind of darkness that I never want to be near. (and for the record, I'm no Dem neither)
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I didn't notice anything different in Clinton's Presidency after he was impeached, so apparently it's just a big waste of time and money (which is all government is good for anyway).

    And unlike Clinton, I don't think he's done anything to deserve it.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    soooooooooo I'll take that as a no.....it's all fine with me but let's see how his popularty is after Jan.1st and all the new tax's for obama care kick in ...after the IRS was given a butt load of money to start colection of all the new tax's .


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  • klusterfukklusterfuk Posts: 1,411
    Ah. More bullshit.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    let's wait and see. ;) till then you kid's can save your nasty comments,it was a legit question but I keep forgetting that most of you are obama followers to the end...wrong or wright.


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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    GF, with all due respect, we get it that you don't like Obama but look at it this way, if W. wasn't impeached (and I think W. was one of the worst presidents we've ever had but I never entertained the thought that he might be impeached) no way is Obama going to be impeached. Wishing for that to happen or even imaging it could is just going to add to your frustration. As for Clinton, he was impeached for being caught doing what I suspect most presidents have done, maybe even a large percentage of married men. It's not my thing- I'm really old fashioned when it comes to marital/sexual fidelity- but I don't judge people who have extra-marital sex. It could be viewed as biologically normal for humans and surely in many cultures it is. Besides, who cares who other people have sex with or not? Not me.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Economies getting better after almost going down toilette. Unemployment down. Stock market at record highs. Rights for homosexuals. Kept us out of two wars. Yeah let's impeach.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    brianlux wrote:
    GF, with all due respect, we get it that you don't like Obama but look at it this way, if W. wasn't impeached (and I think W. was one of the worst presidents we've ever had but I never entertained the thought that he might be impeached) no way is Obama going to be impeached. Wishing for that to happen or even imaging it could is just going to add to your frustration. As for Clinton, he was impeached for being caught doing what I suspect most presidents have done, maybe even a large percentage of married men. It's not my thing- I'm really old fashioned when it comes to marital/sexual fidelity- but I don't judge people who have extra-marital sex. It could be viewed as biologically normal for humans and surely in many cultures it is. Besides, who cares who other people have sex with or not? Not me.
    Yeah guess I'm old fashioned as well. Doesn't seem as though there are many of us left.
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  • callen wrote:
    Economies getting better after almost going down toilette. Unemployment down. Stock market at record highs. Rights for homosexuals. Kept us out of two wars. Yeah let's impeach.
    these are facts. remember, people who want to impeach obama do not deal in facts.
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  • i aboslutely dare the republicans to impeach a popular president. their party is in shambles right now. if they start the impeachment process the country will completely turn on them and they will not win an election for 2 decades..

    i love how the republicans complain that nothing is getting done, when it is them that is not participating in the system. then they blame it on obama.
    Obama is a popular president? Compared to GW...maybe.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    i aboslutely dare the republicans to impeach a popular president. their party is in shambles right now. if they start the impeachment process the country will completely turn on them and they will not win an election for 2 decades..

    i love how the republicans complain that nothing is getting done, when it is them that is not participating in the system. then they blame it on obama.
    Obama is a popular president? Compared to GW...maybe.
    Did win twice so ah yeah.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Godfather. wrote:
    let's wait and see. ;) till then you kid's can save your nasty comments,it was a legit question but I keep forgetting that most of you are obama followers to the end...wrong or wright.


    Godfather.

    i wouldn't vote for obama if i could ... what you need to understand is that your question was not legit ... it was yet another reminder of how partisan you are ... how basically obama could deliver world peace and 0 unemployment and you would still be posting garbage ...

    you are the establishment's wet dream ... easily manipulated to follow this divisive end game ... distract the people through fear and division tactics so they don't see what's really going on ... you've bought into the whole right vs. left; liberal vs. conservative fiasco like most people that all it does is allow you to be taken for ...

    if you think obama should be impeached you should also be posting about getting bush in jail who lied to the people to take your country to war ... most people would see that as more egregious than lying about a blow job but hey - continue to abide by the partisan divide ... both democrats and republicans thank you for it ...
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    Not to side-track too much but one more thing about the Clinton deal- Often we hear people say Clinton wasn't impeached for having sex, he was impeached for lying. To that I say- asking him if he had sex with someone is more egregious than Clinton's "lie". Anyone other than a spouse asking someone about their personal life is more dishonest than lying about who you have sex with.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    :lol:
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Godfather. wrote:
    let's wait and see. ;) till then you kid's can save your nasty comments,it was a legit question but I keep forgetting that most of you are obama followers to the end...wrong or wright.

    Godfather.
    ...
    Sir, this is a little constructive advice, here:
    If you are going to form a political opinion, I think you need to understand how politics and the U.S. Goverment works. It would help your credability and not make you appear to be a slave to one political party who gets his opinions from one biased television source. In other words, if you understood our government, how it was founded and how it works (or is supposed to work), then you would understand that your question is not legitimate and is, at best, silly and childish.
    If you truely wish to form a solid, fact-based political opinion, check out some of the adult educations courses offered at night from your local high school or community college. Learn from actual facts and truths, rather than views and opinions expressed by infotainment television celebrities.
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    let's wait and see. ;) till then you kid's can save your nasty comments,it was a legit question but I keep forgetting that most of you are obama followers to the end...wrong or wright.

    Godfather.
    ...
    Sir, this is a little constructive advice, here:
    If you are going to form a political opinion, I think you need to understand how politics and the U.S. Goverment works. It would help your credability and not make you appear to be a slave to one political party who gets his opinions from one biased television source. In other words, if you understood our government, how it was founded and how it works (or is supposed to work), then you would understand that your question is not legitimate and is, at best, silly and childish.
    If you truely wish to form a solid, fact-based political opinion, check out some of the adult educations courses offered at night from your local high school or community college. Learn from actual facts and truths, rather than views and opinions expressed by infotainment television celebrities.

    this has all been said before, Cosmo. he'll just post a smiley in response.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Cosmo wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    let's wait and see. ;) till then you kid's can save your nasty comments,it was a legit question but I keep forgetting that most of you are obama followers to the end...wrong or wright.

    Godfather.
    ...
    Sir, this is a little constructive advice, here:
    If you are going to form a political opinion, I think you need to understand how politics and the U.S. Goverment works. It would help your credability and not make you appear to be a slave to one political party who gets his opinions from one biased television source. In other words, if you understood our government, how it was founded and how it works (or is supposed to work), then you would understand that your question is not legitimate and is, at best, silly and childish.
    If you truely wish to form a solid, fact-based political opinion, check out some of the adult educations courses offered at night from your local high school or community college. Learn from actual facts and truths, rather than views and opinions expressed by infotainment television celebrities.

    this has all been said before, Cosmo. he'll just post a smiley in response.


    :mrgreen:;) just for you man.


    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Cosmo wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    let's wait and see. ;) till then you kid's can save your nasty comments,it was a legit question but I keep forgetting that most of you are obama followers to the end...wrong or wright.

    Godfather.
    ...
    Sir, this is a little constructive advice, here:
    If you are going to form a political opinion, I think you need to understand how politics and the U.S. Goverment works. It would help your credability and not make you appear to be a slave to one political party who gets his opinions from one biased television source. In other words, if you understood our government, how it was founded and how it works (or is supposed to work), then you would understand that your question is not legitimate and is, at best, silly and childish.
    If you truely wish to form a solid, fact-based political opinion, check out some of the adult educations courses offered at night from your local high school or community college. Learn from actual facts and truths, rather than views and opinions expressed by infotainment television celebrities.


    so here at the AMT any political ideas other than the democrate way of thinking is bad ? believing in God and Jesus is not the AMT way as well ........ :think:

    Godfather.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Godfather. wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Sir, this is a little constructive advice, here:
    If you are going to form a political opinion, I think you need to understand how politics and the U.S. Goverment works. It would help your credability and not make you appear to be a slave to one political party who gets his opinions from one biased television source. In other words, if you understood our government, how it was founded and how it works (or is supposed to work), then you would understand that your question is not legitimate and is, at best, silly and childish.
    If you truely wish to form a solid, fact-based political opinion, check out some of the adult educations courses offered at night from your local high school or community college. Learn from actual facts and truths, rather than views and opinions expressed by infotainment television celebrities.

    so here at the AMT any political ideas other than the democrate way of thinking is bad ? believing in God and Jesus is not the AMT way as well ........ :think:

    Godfather.
    ...
    Wait... WHAT?
    What part of way the hell out in left field did you get this idea from??? It is so baffling... it boggles the mind. My mind... boggled.
    The point is... you clearly understand nothing about Impeachment. I merely suggested that you get educated on politics... specifically, politics in America and understand how impeachment works so you do not spout silly commentary in the future.
    That's all, sir.
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  • "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • that might be the funniest 7 minutes I've ever had in my life. :lol:
  • that might be the funniest 7 minutes I've ever had in my life. :lol:
    the sad part is that is for real.

    he really believe that obama should be INpeached, and he even called him an n-bomb a couple of times.

    he has a ton of videos like that on youtube.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Godfather. wrote:
    let's wait and see. ;) till then you kid's can save your nasty comments,it was a legit question but I keep forgetting that most of you are obama followers to the end...wrong or wright.


    Godfather.

    You need to stop assuming that if people defend Obama then they are Obama followers.

    I am not a Obama follower but I still defend him (on certain issues). I defend Bush the same way. I defend all Presidents that way.

    Its not black or white. There is a gray area. Realize it. Embrace it. Live it.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    that might be the funniest 7 minutes I've ever had in my life. :lol:
    the sad part is that is for real.

    he really believe that obama should be INpeached, and he even called him an n-bomb a couple of times.

    he has a ton of videos like that on youtube.

    :shock: Don't watch this when your a bit toasted. It's kind of like Deliverance on a combination of quaaludes, steroids and barbiturates washed down with Boone's Farm. Yikes! I'm going back to my records. :lol:
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  • brianlux wrote:
    GF, with all due respect, we get it that you don't like Obama but look at it this way, if W. wasn't impeached (and I think W. was one of the worst presidents we've ever had but I never entertained the thought that he might be impeached) no way is Obama going to be impeached. Wishing for that to happen or even imaging it could is just going to add to your frustration. As for Clinton, he was impeached for being caught doing what I suspect most presidents have done, maybe even a large percentage of married men. It's not my thing- I'm really old fashioned when it comes to marital/sexual fidelity- but I don't judge people who have extra-marital sex. It could be viewed as biologically normal for humans and surely in many cultures it is. Besides, who cares who other people have sex with or not? Not me.
    Just for clarity Clinton was not impeached for his interactions with Monica, he was impeached for lying under oath about the BJ from Monica.
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