Misguided hate?

Go Beavers

Bush has been out of office 7 years??

I think things are better, not the same/worse.

haniblectre

Go Beavers wrote:

Bush has been out of office 7 years??

I think things are better, not the same/worse.

Sorry, 4 years. Either way, there's no reason for Eddie to continue bringing Dick Cheney up at concerts. Nobody cares about Cheney anymore. It's like Eddie invested so much anger and energy towards bashing Bush and Cheney all those years and now that they are gone he no longer has something relevant to bitch about, so he just keeps awkwardly bringing them up anyway.

Go Beavers

haniblectre wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Bush has been out of office 7 years??

I think things are better, not the same/worse.

Sorry, 4 years. Either way, there's no reason for Eddie to continue bringing Dick Cheney up at concerts. Nobody cares about Cheney anymore. It's like Eddie invested so much anger and energy towards bashing Bush and Cheney all those years and now that they are gone he no longer has something relevant to bitch about, so he just keeps awkwardly bringing them up anyway.

I think it was in relation to gay marriage, so it is relevant. You're also over generalizing about people being indifferent to Bush/Cheney currently. A lot of people still have intense feelings and opinions about those 8 years, and we're still feeling the effects of it.

haniblectre

Go Beavers wrote:

haniblectre wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Bush has been out of office 7 years??

I think things are better, not the same/worse.

Sorry, 4 years. Either way, there's no reason for Eddie to continue bringing Dick Cheney up at concerts. Nobody cares about Cheney anymore. It's like Eddie invested so much anger and energy towards bashing Bush and Cheney all those years and now that they are gone he no longer has something relevant to bitch about, so he just keeps awkwardly bringing them up anyway.

I think it was in relation to gay marriage, so it is relevant. You're also over generalizing about people being indifferent to Bush/Cheney currently. A lot of people still have intense feelings and opinions about those 8 years, and we're still feeling the effects of it.

Gay marriage is a relevant topic in the world right now, but Dick Cheney's opinion on that topic is not relevant unless people allow it to be relevant by continuing to give a shit what he thinks. Why bother? Cheney has no power anymore. His opinion no longer matters. It's like Eddie is desperate to keep finding things to bitch about with regards to Cheney and this is the only thing he could find that was kind of current.

Cosmo

haniblectre wrote:

Sorry, 4 years. Either way, there's no reason for Eddie to continue bringing Dick Cheney up at concerts. Nobody cares about Cheney anymore. It's like Eddie invested so much anger and energy towards bashing Bush and Cheney all those years and now that they are gone he no longer has something relevant to bitch about, so he just keeps awkwardly bringing them up anyway.

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Here is my personal perspective...
I really don't care about bullshit political parties because my belief is that the people who identify themselves as being strictly Republican/Conservative or Democrat/Liberal... suck Elephant or Donkey dick. My view... fuck those assholes. I care more about what the President of my nation does to my nation, rather than the (D) or (R) next to thier name.
That said...
President Bush's record has the following:
War in Afghanistan (which i understood as being needed to shut down the openly run camps for Al Qaeda)
War in Iraq (which I vehemently opposed becuase it took focus off of the true task in Afghanistan and left that issue unresolved and at a greater risk of failure)
Creation of the Department of Homeland Security which substatially increased the size of government and left too many open holes for civil rights violations.
Camp Delta in Guantanamo Bay set up to hold prisoners.
Failure to act after Hurricane Katrina. FEMA was gutted of experienced employees when Bush appointed an unqualified person as a political favor.
The Financial Systems were allowed to make up the rules they had to follow and it fueled the meltdown of 2008 and the bailout of the banking system.

Under the 5 years of President Obama:
We have about 60,000 troops remaining in Afghanistan
The U.S. bailed out General Motors and Chrysler
The Affordable Care Act was passed.

To me... there were far worse decisions made between 2001 and 2008.. than in 2009 to date.

That is the difference.

haniblectre

Cosmo wrote:

haniblectre wrote:

Sorry, 4 years. Either way, there's no reason for Eddie to continue bringing Dick Cheney up at concerts. Nobody cares about Cheney anymore. It's like Eddie invested so much anger and energy towards bashing Bush and Cheney all those years and now that they are gone he no longer has something relevant to bitch about, so he just keeps awkwardly bringing them up anyway.

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Here is my personal perspective...
I really don't care about bullshit political parties because my belief is that the people who identify themselves as being strictly Republican/Conservative or Democrat/Liberal... suck Elephant or Donkey dick. My view... fuck those assholes. I care more about what the President of my nation does to my nation, rather than the (D) or (R) next to thier name.
That said...
President Bush's record has the following:
War in Afghanistan (which i understood as being needed to shut down the openly run camps for Al Qaeda)
War in Iraq (which I vehemently opposed becuase it took focus off of the true task in Afghanistan and left that issue unresolved and at a greater risk of failure)
Creation of the Department of Homeland Security which substatially increased the size of government and left too many open holes for civil rights violations.
Camp Delta in Guantanamo Bay set up to hold prisoners.
Failure to act after Hurricane Katrina. FEMA was gutted of experienced employees when Bush appointed an unqualified person as a political favor.
The Financial Systems were allowed to make up the rules they had to follow and it fueled the meltdown of 2008 and the bailout of the banking system.

Under the 5 years of President Obama:
We have about 60,000 troops remaining in Afghanistan
The U.S. bailed out General Motors and Chrysler
The Affordable Care Act was passed.

To me... there were far worse decisions made between 2001 and 2008.. than in 2009 to date.

That is the difference.

The financial system melted down because of the elite scumbags on wallstreet, not the president. I think it was just a coincidence that the meltdown occurred while Bush was in office. There's plenty of things to hate Bush for, but that seems like a stretch. There were policies in place that contributed to the meltdown that date all the way back to the Reagan era.

Obama could shut down the department of homeland security and Camp Delta. He chooses to let them remain open. He hasn't taken any drastic actions to do what he can to reverse the fuckups of Bush. He has maintained the status quo. Like I said before, complacency is a form of acceptance. Also, this whole NSA/Google spying thing has happened under Obama's watch, so I guess you could add that as a bullet point on his list.

Cosmo

haniblectre wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

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Here is my personal perspective...
I really don't care about bullshit political parties because my belief is that the people who identify themselves as being strictly Republican/Conservative or Democrat/Liberal... suck Elephant or Donkey dick. My view... fuck those assholes. I care more about what the President of my nation does to my nation, rather than the (D) or (R) next to thier name.
That said...
President Bush's record has the following:
War in Afghanistan (which i understood as being needed to shut down the openly run camps for Al Qaeda)
War in Iraq (which I vehemently opposed becuase it took focus off of the true task in Afghanistan and left that issue unresolved and at a greater risk of failure)
Creation of the Department of Homeland Security which substatially increased the size of government and left too many open holes for civil rights violations.
Camp Delta in Guantanamo Bay set up to hold prisoners.
Failure to act after Hurricane Katrina. FEMA was gutted of experienced employees when Bush appointed an unqualified person as a political favor.
The Financial Systems were allowed to make up the rules they had to follow and it fueled the meltdown of 2008 and the bailout of the banking system.

Under the 5 years of President Obama:
We have about 60,000 troops remaining in Afghanistan
The U.S. bailed out General Motors and Chrysler
The Affordable Care Act was passed.

To me... there were far worse decisions made between 2001 and 2008.. than in 2009 to date.

That is the difference.

The financial system melted down because of the elite scumbags on wallstreet, not the president. I think it was just a coincidence that the meltdown occurred while Bush was in office. There's plenty of things to hate Bush for, but that seems like a stretch. There were policies in place that contributed to the meltdown that date all the way back to the Reagan era.

Obama could shut down the department of homeland security and Camp Delta. He chooses to let them remain open. He hasn't taken any drastic actions to do what he can to reverse the fuckups of Bush. He has maintained the status quo. Like I said before, complacency is a form of acceptance. Also, this whole NSA/Google spying thing has happened under Obama's watch, so I guess you could add that as a bullet point on his list.

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Yes, but they remained unrestrained as the market grew in size and the Bush Administration took credit for the growth of the market. The administration accomplished this feat through an obscure federal agency called the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC). The OCC has been in existence since the Civil War. Its mission is to ensure the fiscal soundness of national banks. For 140 years, the OCC examined the books of national banks to make sure they were balanced, an important but uncontroversial function. But, for the first time in its history, the OCC was used as a tool against consumers.
In 2003, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also made it known new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government's actions were so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules, but failed. There were alarms going off as the risks increased and no one did anything about them.
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All of the stuff you outlined (Camp Delta, DHS, NSA spying) are all under the umbrella of the laws set in place as DHS was given free reign in the 'War On Terror'. So, to address your 'bullet point' suggestion... These acts of privacy violations have been going on since 2002... Edward Snowden happened on Obama's watch, I'll give you that. These are laws that Congress needs to address, as well as the President.
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Also, there is probably some valuable intelligence data being collected in those sweeps. it doesn't make it right and I, personally, don't like it... but, i'm not privy to what is in those data mines. My guess is there is probably some intellegence found in there that would make you and me shit in our pants if we saw them. It is a double edged sword... liberty and security... the same way water boarding was.
And yes... I agree that there is a continuation of Bush/Cheney policy. You'd think the Bush/Cheney crowd would approve of this, right? But, they don't. Why?
Because there is a (D) next to Obama's name.
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Finally, no matter how you slice it... you have to come up with something big... like a U.S. Invasion of Canada next month to out trump the fiasco that was Iraq.

Last-12-Exit

My 2 cents:
1)For starters, eliminate political parties all together. Run for office on your own ideas and merits.
2)Put a strict $5-10 million cap on all campaigns. If you blow $4.5 million in the primaries, then you've got $500k left for the rest of your campaign. That will eliminate the lobbyists.
3)As stated before, as voters, stop being so fucking lazy!

Cosmo

Last-12-Exit wrote:

My 2 cents:
1)For starters, eliminate political parties all together. Run for office on your own ideas and merits.
2)Put a strict $5-10 million cap on all campaigns. If you blow $4.5 million in the primaries, then you've got $500k left for the rest of your campaign. That will eliminate the lobbyists.
3)As stated before, as voters, stop being so fucking lazy!

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I wish...

backseatLover12

Just to clear up the confusion, Cheney is in support of his gay daughter. His other daughter, who is a politician, is running (or ran) on the anti-gay marriage platform. Talk about issues this family has...

know1

The solution for getting real change to occur is very, very simple: Vote out all incumbents - at all levels.

A couple of cycles of that and people will realize they're not going to go settle in to some 30 year cushy job in Congress through which they will just line their own pockets and do nothing to affect change.

I've done it for a couple of elections now, but nobody else seems to jump on the bandwagon.