Misguided hate?
haniblectre
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First of all, I don't identify myself as either liberal or conservative. I'm an independent thinker, and I'm equally suspicious of all politicians.
I went to the Oakland show on this last tour, and Eddie brought up Dick Cheney and made a little speech about how he is anti-gay. Seriously? Eddie still gives a shit about Dick Cheney?
When Obama was running for office he was proclaimed to be the "savior" and he was supposed to change the world. Now here we are 7 years later and the world is still as shitty as it was when Bush was president. Admittedly, Obama wasn't as great as Eddie or any of his other supporters thought he was gonna be. We are still in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now we are molesting Syria. The economy is still shit. The liberals invested so much time and energy into hating and bashing Bush and Cheney, and now they've been gone 7 years and things haven't gotten better. The problem, though, is that they can't bash Obama the way they bashed Bush and Cheney because they already said he was going to be the Savior. So, they wind up awkwardly still bringing up Cheney and bashing him for being anti-gay because that's all they've got now. They can't bash Cheney for anything else anymore because Obama has done the same shit. (Complacency is a form of acceptance, and Obama hasn't really undone any of the stuff that Bush/Cheney did, which implies that he supports it.)
I'm convinced that the President is merely a figure head for some larger power that's in the background. He's just a cog in a wheel and he does as his masters bid him to do. That's why things never REALLY change no matter who we elect, and that's why investing all your hate in a particular president is silly. "Don't hate the playa, hate the game."
I went to the Oakland show on this last tour, and Eddie brought up Dick Cheney and made a little speech about how he is anti-gay. Seriously? Eddie still gives a shit about Dick Cheney?
When Obama was running for office he was proclaimed to be the "savior" and he was supposed to change the world. Now here we are 7 years later and the world is still as shitty as it was when Bush was president. Admittedly, Obama wasn't as great as Eddie or any of his other supporters thought he was gonna be. We are still in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now we are molesting Syria. The economy is still shit. The liberals invested so much time and energy into hating and bashing Bush and Cheney, and now they've been gone 7 years and things haven't gotten better. The problem, though, is that they can't bash Obama the way they bashed Bush and Cheney because they already said he was going to be the Savior. So, they wind up awkwardly still bringing up Cheney and bashing him for being anti-gay because that's all they've got now. They can't bash Cheney for anything else anymore because Obama has done the same shit. (Complacency is a form of acceptance, and Obama hasn't really undone any of the stuff that Bush/Cheney did, which implies that he supports it.)
I'm convinced that the President is merely a figure head for some larger power that's in the background. He's just a cog in a wheel and he does as his masters bid him to do. That's why things never REALLY change no matter who we elect, and that's why investing all your hate in a particular president is silly. "Don't hate the playa, hate the game."
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"I'm convinced that the President is merely a figure head for some larger power that's in the background. He's just a cog in a wheel and he does as his masters bid him to do"
not sure of this anymore, we must have some real dipshits pulling the strings if this is true.
obama can't do some things without aproval from congress I believe it is ? but anyway your right this country has been led around by the nose for too long and obama needs to go but that's not to say we might not get another idiot in the oval office.
alos I think it's more anger then hate.
Godfather.
If this is the case... then, what change is next president going to affect? Will it matter if he is Democrat or Republican?
Hail, Hail!!!
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
What if the third party choice is Donald Trump? Wouldn't that usher in the 'Age Of Idiocracy'?
Hail, Hail!!!
vote for a 3rd party wilst putting some thought behind it. or 4th or 5th party.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
People have to wake up and stop voting for the people that the system puts in front of them to pick from. The people have more power than they have ever had, in terms of spreading messages to each other, thanks to the internet. Traditional media distribution is dying and the internet has taken over. The old farts in Washington don't understand the internet. This is a young person's medium, and anybody could start a campaign and spread their message through youtube or whatever and potentially reach hundreds of millions of listeners. We have more grassroots potential and power than we have ever had. We just need somebody genius enough and brave enough to pull it off.
I still don't think it will matter because the whole thing is run by money. And the people with money are the only real constant in the equation. President's come and go... as do Senators and Representatives... but, the ones with the money and thier lobbyists remain forever.
The only REAL way is to overhaul the ENTIRE system. Replace ALL seated politicians.. and YES, this means Rand Paul, too... and start with a fresh slate.
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But, the only real truth in that is that it is only a real fantasy.
Hail, Hail!!!
The only thing missing in this equation... money.
Money buys elections because everyone knows, the masses cannot agree on anything. That is why it is best that a smaller number of people with vast amounts of money decide on policy issues to keep the masses ignorant and ensure their wealth continues to grow.
And by 'best'... i mean best for the people with the money. Who cares about the masses? The masses think they are free and living the good life and do not want to know how it really works.
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And yeah... the message reaches the millions of young voters... but, guess what? Those young voters need to get off their asses and vote, too.
Hail, Hail!!!
Or as Russell Brand suggested... don't vote. It is becoming more and more apparent that any candidate is going to prove to be a puppet for their masters (big business). Do you think your vote will actually make a difference when you are choosing between, say, Homer Simpson and Peter Griffin?
The voting process ultimately divides the country into halves where, anytime shit hits the fan, one side points the finger at the other side blaming them for what has happened thinking 'their guy' would have done better. The 'side that lost' thinks that things would have been better had they won. This is delusional thinking.
Objectively speaking, I think Obama is miles ahead of Bush and Cheney; but I too am disappointed in the fact that in his second term, he has failed to lead in the manner many had hoped he would.
We already have Term Limits... it's called 'Elections'.
Term limits will make sure that the LobByists remain the one constant in government.
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What happens when the person that is really effective in getting things done gets elected? He gets ousted by the term limit, not the will of the people.
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The thing that needs to change?
US! WE THE PEOPLE need to change and quit bickering about Republican this and Democrat that and Liberal this and Conservative that and get the right people in office. WE need to stop listening to broadcast media and study the voting records of our representatives. WE need to quit looking out for only those interest in our back yards and consider our nation... AS A WHOLE. WE need to do the work.
Which is why there will never be a real change. We are too fucking lazy to do the work.
Hail, Hail!!!
been saying this for years!!!!!!!!!
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maybe this could be happening now...a little at a time ? the younger generations are becoming more involved with the world around them, maybe it's up to us to teach our kids that they have the power to change things...maybe ?
Godfather.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Bingo!
The only thing that will matter is if he is a black man or a woman.
Big oil lobby... gun lobby... banking lobby...
They will only go away when oil, guns and banks go away.
Hail, Hail!!!
But, once the law is set, it is extremely difficult to repeal.
And WE, The People, are the problem with the continual campaign cycle. We need to quit accepting the crap that the FOX News vs. MSNBC are feeding us. WE need to wise up and understand it is in FOX's and MSNBC's best intrest that the captivate our interests. WE need to quit getting our lessons in U.S. Government, U.S. Politics and U.S. History from Cable Television Op/Ed stations that pose as journalism.
As long as we keep eating that shit and believing they are looking out for us and recognize their lies and half-truths... we will never awaken from this political nightmare.
Use the television for what it is intended for... ENTERTAINMENT... NOT Education.
Hail, Hail!!!
I think things are better, not the same/worse.
Sorry, 4 years. Either way, there's no reason for Eddie to continue bringing Dick Cheney up at concerts. Nobody cares about Cheney anymore. It's like Eddie invested so much anger and energy towards bashing Bush and Cheney all those years and now that they are gone he no longer has something relevant to bitch about, so he just keeps awkwardly bringing them up anyway.
I think it was in relation to gay marriage, so it is relevant. You're also over generalizing about people being indifferent to Bush/Cheney currently. A lot of people still have intense feelings and opinions about those 8 years, and we're still feeling the effects of it.
Gay marriage is a relevant topic in the world right now, but Dick Cheney's opinion on that topic is not relevant unless people allow it to be relevant by continuing to give a shit what he thinks. Why bother? Cheney has no power anymore. His opinion no longer matters. It's like Eddie is desperate to keep finding things to bitch about with regards to Cheney and this is the only thing he could find that was kind of current.
Here is my personal perspective...
I really don't care about bullshit political parties because my belief is that the people who identify themselves as being strictly Republican/Conservative or Democrat/Liberal... suck Elephant or Donkey dick. My view... fuck those assholes. I care more about what the President of my nation does to my nation, rather than the (D) or (R) next to thier name.
That said...
President Bush's record has the following:
War in Afghanistan (which i understood as being needed to shut down the openly run camps for Al Qaeda)
War in Iraq (which I vehemently opposed becuase it took focus off of the true task in Afghanistan and left that issue unresolved and at a greater risk of failure)
Creation of the Department of Homeland Security which substatially increased the size of government and left too many open holes for civil rights violations.
Camp Delta in Guantanamo Bay set up to hold prisoners.
Failure to act after Hurricane Katrina. FEMA was gutted of experienced employees when Bush appointed an unqualified person as a political favor.
The Financial Systems were allowed to make up the rules they had to follow and it fueled the meltdown of 2008 and the bailout of the banking system.
Under the 5 years of President Obama:
We have about 60,000 troops remaining in Afghanistan
The U.S. bailed out General Motors and Chrysler
The Affordable Care Act was passed.
To me... there were far worse decisions made between 2001 and 2008.. than in 2009 to date.
That is the difference.
Hail, Hail!!!
The financial system melted down because of the elite scumbags on wallstreet, not the president. I think it was just a coincidence that the meltdown occurred while Bush was in office. There's plenty of things to hate Bush for, but that seems like a stretch. There were policies in place that contributed to the meltdown that date all the way back to the Reagan era.
Obama could shut down the department of homeland security and Camp Delta. He chooses to let them remain open. He hasn't taken any drastic actions to do what he can to reverse the fuckups of Bush. He has maintained the status quo. Like I said before, complacency is a form of acceptance. Also, this whole NSA/Google spying thing has happened under Obama's watch, so I guess you could add that as a bullet point on his list.
Yes, but they remained unrestrained as the market grew in size and the Bush Administration took credit for the growth of the market. The administration accomplished this feat through an obscure federal agency called the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC). The OCC has been in existence since the Civil War. Its mission is to ensure the fiscal soundness of national banks. For 140 years, the OCC examined the books of national banks to make sure they were balanced, an important but uncontroversial function. But, for the first time in its history, the OCC was used as a tool against consumers.
In 2003, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also made it known new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government's actions were so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules, but failed. There were alarms going off as the risks increased and no one did anything about them.
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All of the stuff you outlined (Camp Delta, DHS, NSA spying) are all under the umbrella of the laws set in place as DHS was given free reign in the 'War On Terror'. So, to address your 'bullet point' suggestion... These acts of privacy violations have been going on since 2002... Edward Snowden happened on Obama's watch, I'll give you that. These are laws that Congress needs to address, as well as the President.
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Also, there is probably some valuable intelligence data being collected in those sweeps. it doesn't make it right and I, personally, don't like it... but, i'm not privy to what is in those data mines. My guess is there is probably some intellegence found in there that would make you and me shit in our pants if we saw them. It is a double edged sword... liberty and security... the same way water boarding was.
And yes... I agree that there is a continuation of Bush/Cheney policy. You'd think the Bush/Cheney crowd would approve of this, right? But, they don't. Why?
Because there is a (D) next to Obama's name.
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Finally, no matter how you slice it... you have to come up with something big... like a U.S. Invasion of Canada next month to out trump the fiasco that was Iraq.
Hail, Hail!!!
1)For starters, eliminate political parties all together. Run for office on your own ideas and merits.
2)Put a strict $5-10 million cap on all campaigns. If you blow $4.5 million in the primaries, then you've got $500k left for the rest of your campaign. That will eliminate the lobbyists.
3)As stated before, as voters, stop being so fucking lazy!
I wish...
Hail, Hail!!!