Can cds be collectors items?

breath123

Probably against my better judgement I recently sold almost all my official boots on cd and cd singles to a notable indie record store after downloading them to my computer. I sold them for way less than I probably could have if I had sold them one by one on ebay, I just don't have the time or patience for that.

In the 1990s it was really fun trying to find Pearl Jam songs that no one had heard. The official boots came out on cds they were the only place to find shows, at least a quality product for a reasonable price. Once the internet came along you could find almost any show or song.

Recently, I saw someone selling the (unofficial) radio boot from San Jose in 1995 on cd for 60 dollars.

Seeing as how cds as a format anyway are more or less irrelevant and more of a "delivery system" for information and music, does anyone think that cds will be or could be valuable as collectors items?

63schoefflin

Honestly, if you stick around the forums long enough you will see some high prices for a few CD's no doubt. But the sound they produce don't compare to vinyl. And I understand that some people really treasure and value these, but I sold my entire CD collection except for about 5-10 albums that mean a lot to me.

It's better to just download them and keep them digitally...unless you move to vinyl

trees

I LOVE COLECTING my Cd BootsI wish they would release PJ20 and 2000 2003 2005 2006 2007 vaults so i can finsh some of my years .in complete ............

breath123

63schoefflin wrote:

Honestly, if you stick around the forums long enough you will see some high prices for a few CD's no doubt. But the sound they produce don't compare to vinyl. And I understand that some people really treasure and value these, but I sold my entire CD collection except for about 5-10 albums that mean a lot to me.

It's better to just download them and keep them digitally...unless you move to vinyl

I made that move to vinyl awhile ago. I found it very difficult to part with something I collected for 20 years. I am not necessarily collecting pj stuff with flipping in mind, though it's nice to own something of value.

I think cds will go the way of vhs tapes and cassettes.

breath123

trees wrote:

I LOVE COLECTING my Cd BootsI wish they would release PJ20 and 2000 2003 2005 2006 2007 vaults so i can finsh some of my years .in complete ............

just curious why? Isn't having it on itunes the same? Just curious why the physical copy is so important now.

(obviously, we would all have our boots complete on vinyl if we could. hint hint 10c :P )

JTH

Funny. No more than 20 minutes ago I was asking my wife's opinion on whether I should move one of my CD cabinets and (long story short) she asked me "why do you have so many CDs, anyway? I mean, who has CDs anymore?"

"Uh, me?"

P.S. AC/DC's "High Voltage" was spinning on the turntable at the time.

63schoefflin

Yeah I mean I don't knock anyone that collects CD's. I mean you are talking to someone who was born in '88 so I literally grew up with straight CD's and iTunes later. I laughed at cassettes and records years ago but now, I really see why vinyl has hung around. It isn't just some hipstery movement (well it kind of is, but not for the folks here) and a good turntable and setup blows away ANY cd or iTune download I have ever had. I am the epitomy of someone who did nothing but download music for free on Kazaa and Napster. But I will tell you that by doing that, it has gotten me 110% into music and seeing bands live, buying thier music, etc.

I guess times have changed since like '03 but I have no shame in saying i downloaded damn near every band that is now one of my favorites for free years ago. Because I have dumped God knows how much money into them since. Exposure was an essential part of getting my attention when I was younger and still is today but it is much easier with Youtube, etc.

Anyways, sorry for the semi-rant....but to me there is no difference between CD's and what I can download for free. Vinyl on the other hand, a completely different experience.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

breath123 wrote:

Probably against my better judgement I recently sold almost all my official boots on cd and cd singles to a notable indie record store after downloading them to my computer. I sold them for way less than I probably could have if I had sold them one by one on ebay, I just don't have the time or patience for that.

In the 1990s it was really fun trying to find Pearl Jam songs that no one had heard. The official boots came out on cds they were the only place to find shows, at least a quality product for a reasonable price. Once the internet came along you could find almost any show or song.

Recently, I saw someone selling the (unofficial) radio boot from San Jose in 1995 on cd for 60 dollars.

Seeing as how cds as a format anyway are more or less irrelevant and more of a "delivery system" for information and music, does anyone think that cds will be or could be valuable as collectors items?

yeah, that was mine. it's rare for cd's to be that valuable. but like anything, when it's rare, it automatically becomes collectible regardless of the format. the one double unofficial boot that comes to mind is their Live at the Fox Theatre: http://www.pjcollectors.com/detail.asp?id=712. it goes for well over $500 the last little while. it's insane.

arq

What kind of question is that? Of course they are! Ask any pjcollector if CDs are collectibles and wait for the shitstorm...

breath123

arq wrote:

What kind of question is that? Of course they are! Ask any pjcollector if CDs are collectibles and wait for the shitstorm...

I think I did. Maybe I should hang on to my 8 track tapes, cassettes, laserdics and vhs tapes....

I suppose my point is the difference between senimentality of an Item and the value of an item.

If I go to staples and purchase a blank cd and put the atlanta show on it, design some artwork, put a "made in austria" sticker and label it #00001 I could make $500?

How the hell did the record business fail?

mcgruff10

I m the one who bought the San Jose bootleg so to me they are very collectible. Now all I need is the official unofficial boot from the Melbourne 95 and 98 shows

breath123

mcgruff10 wrote:

I m the one who bought the San Jose bootleg so to me they are very collectible. Now all I need is the official unofficial boot from the Melbourne 95 and 98 shows

I would be more than happy to sell you a very limited edition!

mcgruff10

Lol sounds good! For some reason I m drawn to those old bootlegs. It reminded me of being in high school and going from record shop to record shop trying to find a cool show. I have copies if a lot of shows on cd but there's a couple that I just want to have the "official" bootleg for. I guess people just collect different things. I used to have around fifty posters and literally everything on vinyl; I realized I would never hang those posters and admitted to myself that I just wasn't into vinyl. Instead of keeping those items I sold them and got two really pretty guitars, a nice uke, bought a lot more bootlegs , was able to see pj more and was able to do some traveling.

Dead Man Walking

CD's and vinyl are already very much similar. Yeah there are some records that fetch $200-$1000 but there are also hundreds of thousands of records out there that people can't even give away.

My sisters boyfriend and I went to a guys place who was selling records one afternoon. We got there and no lie, he must have had about 15,000 LP's. His entire (double) garage was full and so was his basement (it was big too). We looked through his stuff for a few hours and by the end of it, I think I bought about 10 records all ranging from $2-$10.

Any format will have collectables and any format will have garbage. I really don't think one is more "collectable" than the other, I think it's just preferace.

I also don't like the argument that "vinyl sounds better." It does not.you may prefer the sound of vinyl (I know I do) but it doesn't sound better.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Dead Man Walking wrote:

I also don't like the argument that "vinyl sounds better." It does not.you may prefer the sound of vinyl (I know I do) but it doesn't sound better.

I'm confused by this statement. if you prefer the sound of vinyl, wouldn't it be your opinion that vinyl sounds better?

Dead Man Walking

I'm saying that I prefer it, but the quality is not better.

A more extreme example is someone who has an old Zeppelin album with a bunch of pops and crackles on their wax. They may prefer the sound and experience of the vinyl but it doesn't sound better than a HD-FLAC file, it's just a preference.

RYANPB999

Is this a serious question?

scratched vinyl

I don't think CDs will ever be as collectable on a mass scale as vinyl, but to certain people, certain albums will be. I for instance would love to replace my "Dissident" live in Atlanta three disc set, which my dogs ate, and I kept my PJ singles and boots when I gave away every other cd I owned, so ya, when it comes to PJ, it's all collectable.

breath123

mcgruff10 wrote:

Lol sounds good! For some reason I m drawn to those old bootlegs. It reminded me of being in high school and going from record shop to record shop trying to find a cool show. I have copies if a lot of shows on cd but there's a couple that I just want to have the "official" bootleg for. I guess people just collect different things. I used to have around fifty posters and literally everything on vinyl; I realized I would never hang those posters and admitted to myself that I just wasn't into vinyl. Instead of keeping those items I sold them and got two really pretty guitars, a nice uke, bought a lot more bootlegs , was able to see pj more and was able to do some traveling.

Great points. I am going through a crisis. I hate having all this shit laying around collecting dust. On the other hand, I have spent 20 years of my life collecting said shit (keeping the vinyl obviously). not criticizing anyones choices.

Seriously, I may have melbourne 95, let me check and if I do I will pm you.

cheers.

breath123

RYANPB999 wrote:

Is this a serious question?

yep.

JohnnieBeBlue

breath123 wrote:

mcgruff10 wrote:

Lol sounds good! For some reason I m drawn to those old bootlegs. It reminded me of being in high school and going from record shop to record shop trying to find a cool show. I have copies if a lot of shows on cd but there's a couple that I just want to have the "official" bootleg for. I guess people just collect different things. I used to have around fifty posters and literally everything on vinyl; I realized I would never hang those posters and admitted to myself that I just wasn't into vinyl. Instead of keeping those items I sold them and got two really pretty guitars, a nice uke, bought a lot more bootlegs , was able to see pj more and was able to do some traveling.

Great points. I am going through a crisis. I hate having all this shit laying around collecting dust. On the other hand, I have spent 20 years of my life collecting said shit (keeping the vinyl obviously). not criticizing anyones choices.

Seriously, I may have melbourne 95, let me check and if I do I will pm you.

cheers.

As someone who is just starting to collect the old boots, I'd gladly take them off of your hands

mcgruff10

breath123 wrote:

mcgruff10 wrote:

Lol sounds good! For some reason I m drawn to those old bootlegs. It reminded me of being in high school and going from record shop to record shop trying to find a cool show. I have copies if a lot of shows on cd but there's a couple that I just want to have the "official" bootleg for. I guess people just collect different things. I used to have around fifty posters and literally everything on vinyl; I realized I would never hang those posters and admitted to myself that I just wasn't into vinyl. Instead of keeping those items I sold them and got two really pretty guitars, a nice uke, bought a lot more bootlegs , was able to see pj more and was able to do some traveling.

Great points. I am going through a crisis. I hate having all this shit laying around collecting dust. On the other hand, I have spent 20 years of my life collecting said shit (keeping the vinyl obviously). not criticizing anyones choices.

Seriously, I may have melbourne 95, let me check and if I do I will pm you.

cheers.

That s what happened to me. I looked at all this "stuff" and asked myself what do I really want? I bootlegged my own shows in 98 and was in the old tape trading forums; unfortunately tapes went the way of the dinosaur but cd stayed. And I absolutely love listening to cd s loud!!!b so I decided to collect pj bootlegged CDs

If you have those cd s let me know! They are my holy grail .

restlesssoul

Ummmmm GIVE WAY is a pretty huge PJ collectors item, goes for hundreds

http://www.pjcollectors.com/detail.asp?id=1001


And one could argue that THE HARDEST PEARL JAM COLLECTIBLE TO OBTAIN is a cd.


The holyiest of holy grails, goes for thousands.

REENK ROINK

http://www.twofeetthick.com/2005/08/ree ... o-mess-up/

63schoefflin

Yeah I guess just for me personally, I can download all those CD's on the computer and take them wherever for the same quality. Vinyl on the other hand, no way.

So yea, they are definitely collectors items....but I just don't see the need to own them anymore and waste the space. But that's just me and I don't knock anyone that loves CD's.

TinAnt

I think Ed should put the Mamasan demo tape into an old ghetto blaster...

pdalowsky

Erm yes

foodshop65

as a collector, cds are quite collectable. the promos, certain singles, card sleeves and boots weren't released in mass production unlike TEN for example. if you had a TEN longbox sealed though, you'd be happy.
it all depends on how many were produced, sealed or unsealed and condition of item. if you are going to collect, buy 2...one for you and one to save.
with the rebirth of vinyl, originals are always the best. that's why there are all the reissues because the record companies want to take a chunk out of secondary markets and turntable sales are up.
as far a downloads, i don't think your hard drive will be collectable, it's 50% music and 50% artwork.

FR181798

As a vinyl buyer I would still say definitely yes. because we live in a digital age there is a lot of stuff released on CD and download that is simply not available and never will be on vinyl. I mean it will never practical for PJ to release every bootleg on vinyl or every promo single on vinyl. The 90s saw some great CD singles or maxi-singles with 3 or 4 tracks often exclusive to those releases but with so many pressed you can pick them up for next to nothing yet try and pick up a 7 inch with less tracks of the same release and you're in an eBay bidding war. People are more passionate about vinyl and a bit snobby about CDs.

Incidentally if anyone has the PJ 5 track vs sampler with the green sleeve I would love to trade or buy.

MedozK

pdalowsky wrote:

Erm yes

I was wondering when you were going to show up.

Anyone questioning this needs to check out Paul's collection over at the PJCollector's forum... It's AMAZING

mcgruff10

pdalowsky wrote:

Erm yes

Paul,
When are you going to give me your extra one of these?

http://www.pjcollectors.com/detail.asp?id=978

You know my birthday just passed and christmas is right around the corner. I mean would you even realize that this is gone from your collection? Or I could buy you beers at your local pub or get you disney passes! Be good.

Mike