A Cautionary Tale...

Byrnzie

Pingfah wrote:

I'm not claiming she's innocent or anything of the sort, I think you know this and are now just being purposefully disingenous.

As I have now said multiple times, we have no idea why the guy really killed himself, nor do we know anything about this couple's lives. Anybody who just accepts this story at face value has a shockingly low standard of evidence, it's nothing more than throwaway tabloid junk with no inside knowledge of the people involved. A few witness reports is not enough to assume we understand what was going on inside his head.

But whatever, you're obviously happy to unquestioningly accept it, so fill your boots.

The man cracked after 5 hours of shopping with his petulant girlfriend. We know that much.
Though if there is more to the story, so be it. But the fact remains he threw himself off the 6th floor of the mall after arguing with his girlfriend over her wanting to buy some more shoes, after having been shopping with her for five hours.

Pingfah

Yes well done, you can read. Have a gold star.

jumbojet

Yeah, I can see that if you're on a date with your g/f wishing for good things and all you got is 5 hours of shopping in the mall, life can seem pointless.

Byrnzie

Pingfah wrote:

Yes well done, you can read. Have a gold star.

Sure, good job of ignoring everything else I said.

You don't believe it's possible that anyone can crack under stress and act out of character, to the point of throwing themselves off a 6th floor balcony, or in front of a train? Well, it happens.

Carry on.

backseatLover12

Byrnzie wrote:

Pingfah wrote:

Yes well done, you can read. Have a gold star.

Sure, good job of ignoring everything else I said.

You don't believe it's possible that anyone can crack under stress and act out of character, to the point of throwing themselves off a 6th floor balcony, or in front of a train? Well, it happens.

Carry on.

To crack under the pressure... of shopping? Like bullying in the States, there seems to be a chronic problem with thinking that ending one's life is a likely solution to our problems. And how do we know that this story is factual, other than the guy jumped over a railing and killed himself? The author could have completely made up the story of the shoes, we don't know.

Byrnzie

backseatLover12 wrote:

To crack under the pressure... of shopping? Like bullying in the States, there seems to be a chronic problem with thinking that ending one's life is a likely solution to our problems. And how do we know that this story is factual, other than the guy jumped over a railing and killed himself? The author could have completely made up the story of the shoes, we don't know.

No, not under the pressure of shopping. Under the pressure of a petulant girlfriend who, after five hours of spending his money, started arguing with him, and insulting him in public. Yeah, it sounds kind of pathetic and extreme that the man flew off the handle to point of jumping over the balcony, which may explain why it made the news and has gained so much attention.
Maybe he didn't intend to kill himself, but just wanted to get away from her in the quickest way possible, and jumped over the side without thinking. This is not the first time such a thing has happened. Why pretend that it is?


As for it being made up...

http://www.chinasmack.com/2013/stories/ ... death.html
'...Police questioned the crowd of surrounding onlookers and they all indicated that the man had jumped off in suicide, with the reason unexpectedly being that his girlfriend wanted to buy something but the man thought it was too expensive. Because the matter is extremely odd, even the British Daily Mail substantially reported it.

...According to statements from the crowd of surrounding onlookers, the two were arguing at the time, saying how they had shopped level-by-level continuously for 5 hours, that the man felt very tired and wanted to go home, but the girlfriend insisted on continuing to shop and continuing to make purchases. The two thereupon argued and the man loudly criticized saying: “You have more shoes than you can wear in this lifetime, why do you still want to shop in this shoe store?” The girlfriend retorted: “You cheapskate, you’ve ruined the Christmas mood!”

The man, presumably unable to handle the provocation, angrily threw all the large and small bags of clothing and goods he had been carrying onto the ground, then immediately climbed over the railing and jumped off from the 7th floor down into the atrium.'

Pingfah

Byrnzie wrote:

Pingfah wrote:

Yes well done, you can read. Have a gold star.

Sure, good job of ignoring everything else I said.

I addressed everything that was relevant and not wilfully obtuse.

Byrnzie wrote:

You don't believe it's possible that anyone can crack under stress and act out of character, to the point of throwing themselves off a 6th floor balcony, or in front of a train? Well, it happens.

Carry on.

I'm sure you can point me to the place where I said it was impossible. Oh no, wait, I didn't say that at all. I just said, for the umpteenth fucking time, that it is foolish to accept that explanation wholesale when you know nothing about this man.

Look, I get it, you just unquestioningly believe everything you read and are incapable of independent thought on the matter. Carry on.

Byrnzie

Pingfah wrote:

I addressed everything that was relevant and not wilfully obtuse.

Willfully obtuse? The fact that I pointed out that such incidents are not unheard of, constitutes my being willfully obtuse? How d'ya work that one out?

Pingfah wrote:

I'm sure you can point me to the place where I said it was impossible. Oh no, wait, I didn't say that at all. I just said, for the umpteenth fucking time, that it is foolish to accept that explanation wholesale when you know nothing about this man.

No, you said that the concept of someone jumping over the 6th floor balcony due to an argument with his girlfriend is 'ridiculous', and 'plainly idiotic'. Yet such things do happen. Though you clearly wish to pretend that they don't. Why? Because you object to the girl being cast as an annoying bitch? Or are you just continuing to pretend that some people don't commit suicide, or commit other such extreme acts, in the heat of the moment, and in stressful situations, simply because you refuse to back down?

Pingfah wrote:

Look, I get it, you just unquestioningly believe everything you read and are incapable of independent thought on the matter. Carry on.

Yeah, sure. Your obstinacy, and refusal to accept the possibility that the man jumped in the heat of the moment, boils down to my incapacity for 'independent thought'.

Should I Google a list of other similar incidents where people have cracked and shot their partners, or committed suicide? Would that make you happy? Or will you still continue to regard the possibility of such incidents occurring as 'ridiculous', and 'plainly idiotic'?

Even if it turns out that this man killed himself for other reasons - despite dozens of witnesses testifying that it was the result of a heated argument, and five hours of putting up with his girlfriends bullshit - that still wouldn't change the fact that people have been driven to such extremes in similar situations.

Keep flogging that dead horse.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Byrnzie wrote:

Pingfah wrote:

I addressed everything that was relevant and not wilfully obtuse.

Willfully obtuse? The fact that I pointed out that such incidents are not unheard of, constitutes my being willfully obtuse? How d'ya work that one out?

Pingfah wrote:

I'm sure you can point me to the place where I said it was impossible. Oh no, wait, I didn't say that at all. I just said, for the umpteenth fucking time, that it is foolish to accept that explanation wholesale when you know nothing about this man.

No, you said that the concept of someone jumping over the 6th floor balcony due to an argument with his girlfriend is 'ridiculous', and 'plainly idiotic'. Yet such things do happen. Though you clearly wish to pretend that they don't. Why? Because you object to the girl being cast as an annoying bitch? Or are you just continuing to pretend that some people don't commit suicide, or commit other such extreme acts, in the heat of the moment, and in stressful situations, simply because you refuse to back down?

Pingfah wrote:

Look, I get it, you just unquestioningly believe everything you read and are incapable of independent thought on the matter. Carry on.

Yeah, sure. Your obstinacy, and refusal to accept the possibility that the man jumped in the heat of the moment, boils down to my incapacity for 'independent thought'.

Should I Google a list of other similar incidents where people have cracked and shot their partners, or committed suicide? Would that make you happy? Or will you still continue to regard the possibility of such incidents occurring as 'ridiculous', and 'plainly idiotic'?

Even if it turns out that this man killed himself for other reasons - despite dozens of witnesses testifying that it was the result of a heated argument, and five hours of putting up with his girlfriends bullshit - that still wouldn't change the fact that people have been driven to such extremes in similar situations.

Keep flogging that dead horse.

I think what he's saying, Byrnzie, is that this 'incident' was merely the tipping point for an unbalanced individual that was on the brink of suicide to begin with. The story is obviously much deeper than a guy going out of his mind because a 5 hour shoe shopping excursion drove him to madness and despair.

In reality, even a remotely well-balanced individual would resort to other 'extreme' measures- if so inclined to act out in extreme fashion- before jumping to their deaths (such as slapping their girlfriend, yelling at the top of their lungs, running from the mall without their clothes on, ransacking a shoe store, etc.).

Byrnzie

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I think what he's saying, Byrnzie, is that this 'incident' was merely the tipping point for an unbalanced individual that was on the brink of suicide to begin with. The story is obviously much deeper than a guy going out of his mind because a 5 hour shoe shopping excursion drove him to madness and despair.

In reality, even a remotely well-balanced individual would resort to other 'extreme' measures- if so inclined to act out in extreme fashion- before jumping to their deaths (such as slapping their girlfriend, yelling at the top of their lungs, running from the mall without their clothes on, ransacking a shoe store, etc.).

Maybe, maybe not. Some people crack and behave out of character. Maybe this dude had other issues. Maybe he'd not been getting along with his girlfriend for a long time before this, and this was the tipping point.
Or, maybe five hours of shoe shopping and being made to spend his money on her crap, followed by a heated argument in public, in which he felt that he'd 'lost face', conspired to make him flip out and jump over the side.

I don't know.

But either way, it's plausible, and far from 'idiotic', and 'ridiculous'.

puremagic

[quote="Byrnzie

If this man was prone to acting irrationally, had little patience, and was generally the type to revert to extremes, then how do you explain the fact that he'd already spent five hours shopping with his girlfriend without blowing his lid?[/quote]


Easy, according to the storyline, she appeared to be a habitual shoe shopper; he seemingly knew this, yet, he continued to subject himself to these trips to the mall.

Why, because he was probably a man in love. A man who believed he could make her change, what he saw as an unnecessary habit, while supporting her habit. He failed because somewhere in that heated argument, she let the skinflint know she’d rather have the shoes than him because that is what happen when you try to argue with, and take away an obsessed angry woman’s toys.

chadwick

he mistakenly thought they were on the 1st level up from ground. yes/no?

chadwick

he shoulda went home, or just stayed home, gotten drunk & smoked some nice opium. yes/no?

chadwick

now he's the guy who jumped to his death over his lady's shoe shopping

fuck that

he had other stuff going on

puremagic

Doesn’t make a difference what his other problems were. We all now know him as the man who killed himself over some shoes. Shoes she’ll wear while looking for a new man to feed her shoe habit.

backseatLover12

Perhaps instead of throwing the other bags into the air and giving up on life, he should have returned all of the merchandise purchased throughout the day on his way back to the car. That would have really pissed off the girlfriend and her Christmas spirit.

Last-12-Exit

At least the dude didn't go to his car, get his AK47, and walk back in the mall shooting everything in sight before he jumped.

Byrnzie

Last-12-Exit wrote:

At least the dude didn't go to his car, get his AK47, and walk back in the mall shooting everything in sight before he jumped.

True.

Michael Douglas would understand.

Smellyman

chadwick wrote:

he mistakenly thought they were on the 1st level up from ground. yes/no?

He had one of those "Oh Shit!" moments

hedonist

Byrnzie wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

At least the dude didn't go to his car, get his AK47, and walk back in the mall shooting everything in sight before he jumped.

True.

Michael Douglas would understand.

That's been running on one of our movie channels a helluvalot the past month.

Great film.